Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

I feel like I’m pretty transparent? Ask me any question, if you’re genuinely unsure how to sort me

[Gustavo]

I feel like I’m pretty transparent? Ask me any question, if you’re genuinely unsure how to sort me

I mean that’s why I want to town read you but then you make scummy posts sometimes. Scum have to appear town and I feel you are doing a good job of looking town but I don’t get that feeling it’s genuine

[Gustavo]

Scumreading half the game isn’t helpful or accurate. 1701 is aggressive, as was a lot of what you had to say regarding shoshin yesterday. I’m not misrepping you.

That statement to Nauci was meant as a joke, duh “I’m town” doesn’t help

I’m not scum reading half the game though. I have 2 solid scum reads. The rest I’m trying to sort

[Gustavo]

VOTE: Skitter
Just a feeling. y’all should sheep me

You weren’t being transparent here.

Actually given that she's V/LA till the 9th (wow) I'd say it means she's the designated vote-for-people-not-paying-enough-attention

I'll come back to her later

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Or here.

I found other examples of you not being transparent or sheeping votes for little to no reason.

You aren’t transparent when it matters imo.

[Gustavo]

I have no idea why you voted not mafia. You know why I voted Keyser.

I don’t hate the not mafia vote but he’s playing the same useless way he plays every game so I don’t think you have a real reason to vote him. Just like you don’t have a reason to scum read me.

Playstyle is non ai

[Irrelephant11]

Scumreading half the game isn’t helpful or accurate. 1701 is aggressive, as was a lot of what you had to say regarding shoshin yesterday. I’m not misrepping you.

That statement to Nauci was meant as a joke, duh “I’m town” doesn’t help

I’m not scum reading half the game though. I have 2 solid scum reads. The rest I’m trying to sort

I mean according to your 1678 you scumread Keyser, Bernie, Skitter, me
You said last page you still scumread shoshin
And you haven’t offered any townreads without immediately undercutting them

I’m not getting a very strong “let’s find scum” vibe from you, just aggro and tunneling. Which like, can come from town, but if you can get away with it as scum it sure is convenient, huh

It’s just astounding to me you have no townreads to offer in a game that’s 3/4 town and you are supposedly on a team that is trying to sort & separate town and scum.

Pedit: yeah a lot of my votes I wait to explain them so that pressure votes seem real and real votes seem real. I’ve sheeped a ton of votes to turn one vote into two or two votes into three so the recipient of those votes is under pressure and does something AI. But you’re not asking questions of me so I don’t know that i believe you’re any to know my motivations or thoughts, just that you want me to stop asking you about yours.

My vote on Not_Mafia is real though I think he should have voted better or more AI than he did, he knows the game well and plays to his wincon, I think he wanted Gamma dead

[Gustavo]

mean according to your 1678 you scumread Keyser, Bernie, Skitter, me

Finding people scummy doesn’t mean I think they are scum.

[Gustavo]

And you haven’t offered any townreads

And?

I said I didn’t have any. Even if I did I’m not required to share them.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh my bad I thoughts words meant things

Pedit: You’re not required to do anything but if your wincon includes winning with most of the rest of us I think you’d share anything useful that you’ve got. A wise MS player once told me to be more transparent

[Gustavo]

I’m not getting a very strong “let’s find scum” vibe from you,

Then you clearly aren’t looking hard. My vote on Keyser is vey clearly me trying to sort him. He’s posted useless posts saying what he’s going to do which literally equals fluff. He then says he agrees with a stupid post stunt made about not posting content and he says he isn’t going to do it but he does it anyway.

Putting pressure on him to actually follow through is trying to sort him.

[Gustavo]

It’s just astounding to me you have no townreads to offer in a game that’s 3/4 town and you are supposedly on a team that is trying to sort & separate town and scum.

Ok but that doesn’t mean I’m scum.

I gave up on everyone when they ignored blatant lies by sho. How can I town read poeple who think that kind of lying is acceptable?

I’ll work with people but I can’t town read them.

So if that’s a problem get rid of me before lylo cause I’m voting him out of the gate if we are both alive.

[Irrelephant11]

Alright fair enough

If I’ve made potentialscum!Gustavo aware that he can’t skste by on aggression I’m satisfied for now

Pedit: don’t know what to say to that but gotta go

[Gustavo]

If I’ve made potentialscum!Gustavo aware that he can’t skste by on aggression I’m satisfied for now

I haven’t skated by on aggression though. Stop misrepping my play

[brassherald]

VC hasn't changed.

[Bernie Sanders]

My scumreads are all literally hardlurking the daystart.
I was going to be somewhat tightlipped until getting content from all around, see what most of my scumreads decide to push before I call them all out, but it's looking not possible now.
I'm going to go into this more tomorrow but irrelephant pretty much mirrored my thoughts on VCA here and that was specifically why I even chose momrangal and yeah generally the thing that I think sometimes scum want to avoid heat from being on mislynch wagon whenever possible. Not always but sometimes they see lynches as worse than town because they know it's a mislynch, so it feels extra scummy for them to join and they have reasons why its mislynchy that they can't explain. I think gamma played awful here ad made it very hard to read him and I even can usually reliably sort him (though towards the end, it was partially a matter that he was claimed VT and I was slightly worried of an certain outside risk of deadline flash wagon momrangal VLA even if I scumread her more).

Also, I'm not sure how to put this but I feel like I might've been the NK target last night for what very little that speculation is worth.

[Bernie Sanders]

BTW I'm feeling better about irrelephant because he was yesterday one of my "am I actually safe to townread this guy?" reads that I was thinking I'd have to reconsider but he mirrored me pretty hard today.
This gamestate is pretty fucking bizarre though, it's not like 2 people either it's almost half the game gone.

[Nauci]

It feels like I'm forced to look like a lazy suspect the lurkers type but there are so damn many lurkers.

[Nauci]

I was super looking forward to playing with math so I am pretty sad he's getting replaced (right?).

[brassherald]

I'm going to see Ant Man right now. If Math has not posted by the time I'm back he's being replaced

[Errantparabola]

That's disappointing, because I was pretty confident that if I made mathdino metadive me he'd see i'm obvious town :>
I'll be here soon.

[Irrelephant11]

This activity level is yikes

Errant, Bernie, Shoshin, and Skitter are defo town, so I’d loveeee to hear from the other half of the player list

[the worst]

I was probably the n2 NK target

[Irrelephant11]

N2?

[Gustavo]

I’m being left alive for the mislynch in lylo

[Keyser Söze]

Mathdino's D1 read on Gamma

"So like is this a sorting post, what point is there in polling us"

Early suspicion of Gamma's motive.

"Speaking of which, what's your take on Gamma's deeds?"

Asking a fellow player for their view of Gamma.

"Skittz and NSG should know why I don't like Gem"

Citing Skittz and NSG to back up his (meta?) suspicion of Gamma.

"Completely agree, fam, a wagon could help with gamma"

Agrees with Bernie Sanders that a wagon on Gamma is now necessary (for meta/town tells reasons).

"The worst or Gamma Emerald, those are my two picks"

Mathdino clearly states the two wagons he is happy with. Votes Gamma (the first vote on Gamma...?).

"Until then I still think a Gamvote is right"

Promises a catchup but still stands by his Gamma vote.



[Sadly Mathdino wasn't online when Gamma started to open up his heart at EoD. I don't find anything suspicious with how Mathdino had suspicion on Gamma, and then followed through with a vote. I don't find it scummy either Mathdino asking for others people's thoughts on Gamma either. I would have preffered Mathdino to talk to Gamma one-on-one in real time. I wish this happens D2 when Mathdino confronts his scum reads. I feel his absence from the tail end of D1 stops me from thinking that this was a tactical silence on his part to assure the unopposed misslynch.]