Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[GuyInFreezer]

6.03

Kokichi Oma (3):

Alchemist21, wilky, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Dunnstral (1):

Kokichi Oma

Not Voting:

punreader, Dunnstral, Ankamius, YT2980

With

8

alive,

5

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-07-09 17:24:09)

I added 2 days to the deadline due to July 4th shenanigas

[YT2980]

Is there anything worrying you about Pun that drops him out of the first two brackets? I know you've expressed concern at me since replacing in but I don't recall any concerns you've had on pun.

If no one claims a result from the quest tomorrow does that render rmoj confirmed scum in your eyes?

a). his claim and him not yet analyzing things when he said he would do so at the start of the day phase. if he follows through with it and i like what i see, my view would change.

b). yes; but if it shows up, he’s nearly conftown. luckily, i’m guessing we won’t be having another day phase, but we’ll just have to see how things go.

his gameplay has had that strange gut feeling of lurky scum to me, so he’s been on my radar for quite some time. i can try to go into more detail on precisely why i have suspected him later this day phase if i can rob enough time for it.

Is the bolded part in relation to rmoj?

yes it is, a = irt top paragraph of your post, b and anything below it = irt bottom paragraph of your post. i see how i made that a bit confusing, apologies

[Punreader]

@Punn if you're doing a read reset can we get a reads list?

You've got a partial one already.

I am not lynching REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE ever as I consider him conftown.
I am not lynching Alchemist21 as I believe he has a significant chance of being town and will have his alignment proven tomorrow.
I am not lynching you as I believe you have a significant chance of being town and will give some useful information tomorrow.

I am of the opinion the last pun is in the 4 VT claims.
Dunnstral is soft-cleared via MariaR, but by play would be my secondary suspect after Kokichi Oma.
From least pun to most pun, in the VT claims it would go:
Ankamius > YT (NO SOFT CLEAR) > Dunnstral > Kokichi Oma
Ankamius > Dunnstral > YT (SOFT CLEAR) > Kokichi Oma.

But without rereading (see below), I cannot solidify this.

@pun when will you be back to normal activity?

At about this time tomorrow. (Give or take a few hours.) I don't have the time to devote much to this game tonight, but within 48 hours I'll have remedied this.

[Kokichi Oma]

Wasnt I just your townread

[Kokichi Oma]

It's amazing how reads have changed on me when people become desperate

[Kokichi Oma]

would definitely have to reconsider some things in the event kokichi is to flip town, though.

This post pings me. Why is everyone so fucking scummy. My God

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

maybe I’m just sore that you beat me by getting away with a fake guilty as scum!

[Ankamius]

Kokichi for 500 for not reading the game, please

[Kokichi Oma]

maybe I’m just sore that you beat me by getting away with a fake guilty as scum!

What?

[Ankamius]

I dreamed that it made a lot of sense for YT to be the last scum

I don't know why

[wilky]

maybe I’m just sore that you beat me by getting away with a fake guilty as scum!

Is This it? Jesus Christ i really hope you are scum now.

[YT2980]

@ankamius: lmao. your dream made me laugh at the very least! i’m sorry to say your using a dream-catcher didn’t help us hone in on the real remaining scum member, though

pre-warning that i have a 5-hour flight on sunday, so i won’t be too active that day. it is also the day my official v/la ends, so i should be more active afterwards = yay! i should be able to pop in sometime tomorrow, though, in spite of sunday’s plans.

let’s see if i can share some thoughts on why i’m still questioning rmoj here tonight. if i don’t get it in by the time i retire tonight, promise to share those thoughts tomorrow when i get the chance.

[wilky]

2 days until deadline guys can we get a move on now? We aren't really getting anywhere atm

[Dunnstral]

I've got no clue who it is

[Alchemist21]

I’m ready for the Day to end.

[Alchemist21]

RMOJ You better not forget to send my name in like you did with Impossibear

[YT2980]

my rmoj case will not be finished today with limited time when he’s possibly conftown next day phase anyway and he’s absolutely not gonna be today’s lynch target, but i’ll just put some of the info i found sketchy out this day phase. there was quite a lot that made me feel unsettled when i first iso’d him, and that’s largely stuck with me.

- my idk read on rmoj is purely based on his gameplay. he’s been very lurky ever since i replaced in, having very little attributable content. naturally, that concerns me as a lategame replace-in. he’s been on both prospective lynch wagons, sure, but he hasn’t done much other than that—aside from the quests which i still don’t quite grasp.

Spoiler: part of the case on rmoj

now, some bit of iso suspicion has come from the post he made about maria in only his 3rd post in the thread in 138, his very first scumread, as he never followed up on his sr of maria with a vote of any sort. if he believes it to be scum, he should vote it, right? the fact that this was his first scumread, it was correct, and he never followed up on it gives me knots in my stomach.

more, 358 where he questions the legitimacy of an ic, i interpret this as having a clear possibility of a scum motive/attached scum train of thought. he utters thinking it might be ‘fake’. well, this initially read to me as though he may have been thinking, and impulsively posted something while considering “what, if anything, can i do to nullify this possibly conftown player?”, instead of just taking things as they were stated BY the mod.

further, 505 is not town-friendly in that he says he is playing to ‘obscure’ his playing style, and comes as a clear contradiction to his 410, where he says he’s easy to read with engagement as town. with the second point, i’d beg to differ based on what i’ve seen from him firsthand. and this is scummy because he stated this himself, and it has not held up at least to me.

next, the fact that some of his his gameplay has seemed overly conciliatory regarding certain players who have voted him from what i remember pings me — because i feel like he could be using that to his advantage to pull one over on us all. it feels like it could be scum pocketing—and that’s a sort of vibe you can get that’s unmistakeable.

a large part of this case lies in the minute details, folks!

let me relook into kokichi’s iso quickly specifically looking for scummy train of thoughts. if i find a good one, i am ok with ending the day with a lynch there.

[YT2980]

actually, sheeping kaede on several occasions in recent days given how long she survived in the game comes off as a scum-minded train-of-thought to me. it is so, because you are not taking any blame yourself if someone is mislynched. it’s a temporary lynchproof vest a scum member could put on while voting for someone. you should always as town have reasons for voting someone that extend beyond following another player who is conftown. this looks bad to me

now, i say we let this day phase end and this game end with a bang by lynching scum! yes, i declare that kokichi is scum

VOTE: Kokichi

L-1

[Punreader]

I’m ready for the Day to end.

Before I go to bed tonight, I will hammer Kokichi Oma (or at the very least cast my vote on him if someone unvotes), with an intent to hide behind YT. However, I intend to get as much work done prior to that point as possible.

Wasnt I just your townread

You were!

Then davesaz flipped town.

It's amazing how reads have changed on me when people become desperate

I confess you are exactly this, a desperation lynch; pretending otherwise would be a farce.

However, this doesn't change how you're still the preferred lynch. It may be desperation, but desperation is, at the moment, all we have.

If you are town, then the best you can do at this point is make sure we have a lynch (even if it's yourself), give us your best attempt at gamesolving, and also offer as much time as possible to others to game solve while not conflicting with the first goal (getting a lynch > letting people game solve, at this point).

[Punreader]

I want to take a quick look at this.

Spoiler: Noteworthy Votecounts

VC 1.01

Ventriloquist

(2):

davesaz

,

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ouroboros

(1):

Alchemist21

Nero Cain/projectmatt

(1):

Impossibear

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

Kaede Akamatsu

(1):

Dunnstral

MariaR

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

davesaz

(1):

wilky

wilky

(5):

Ouroboros

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

, Ankamius

Not Voting:

Wraith

,

Tchill13/punreader

,

Ventriloquist

,

Nero Cain/projectmatt

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VC 1.02

Tchill13/punreader

(3):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma,

Impossibear

,

davesaz

Kaede Akamatsu

(1):

Dunnstral

davesaz

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

wilky

(4):

Kaede Akamatsu

,

MariaR

, Ankamius,

Tchill13/punreader

Ankamius (1):

Alchemist21

Ouroboros

(1):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Ramcius/YT2980 (4):

wilky

,

Ouroboros

,

ManWithNoName

,

hebichan/OnTheMark

Not Voting:

Wraith

,

Ventriloquist

, Ramcius/YT2980

VC 1.03

Tchill13/punreader

(4):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma,

Impossibear

,

davesaz

,

Wraith

wilky

(1):

Tchill13/punreader

Ouroboros

(1):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Ramcius/YT2980 (3):

wilky

,

Ventriloquist

,

Alchemist21

Nero Cain/projectmatt

(2):

Dunnstral,

MariaR

MariaR

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

Ventriloquist

(2):

Ouroboros

,

hebichan/OnTheMark

verylazy/Kokichi Oma (1):

Kaede Akamatsu

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(1):

ManWithNoName

ManWithNoName

(1):

Ankamius

Not Voting:

Ramcius/YT2980

VC 1.04

Tchill13/punreader

(2):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma,

davesaz

wilky

(1):

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (3):

wilky

,

Ventriloquist

,

Alchemist21

Nero Cain/projectmatt

(2):

Dunnstral, Ramcius/YT2980

MariaR

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

Ventriloquist

(6):

Ouroboros

,

hebichan/OnTheMark

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

,

Wraith

verylazy/Kokichi Oma (1):

Kaede Akamatsu

ManWithNoName

(1):

Ankamius

Wraith

(1):

Impossibear

VC 1.05

Tchill13/punreader

(2):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma,

davesaz

wilky

(1):

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

wilky

,

Ventriloquist

Nero Cain/projectmatt

(2):

Dunnstral, Ramcius/YT2980

MariaR

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

Ventriloquist

(6):

Ouroboros

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

,

Wraith

,

Alchemist21

ManWithNoName

(1):

Ankamius

Wraith

(2):

Impossibear

,

Kaede Akamatsu

Not Voting:

hebichan/OnTheMark

VC 1.06

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

wilky

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

wilky

MariaR

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

Ventriloquist

(8):

Ouroboros

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

,

Wraith

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

,

Tchill13/punreader

ManWithNoName

(2):

Ankamius,

Ventriloquist

Wraith

(1):

Impossibear

Impossibear

(1):

Dunnstral

davesaz

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

verylazy/Kokichi Oma (1):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VC 1.07

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

wilky

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

MariaR

(1):

Nero Cain/projectmatt

Ventriloquist

(10):

Ouroboros

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

,

Wraith

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

,

Tchill13/punreader

,

wilky

, Ankamius

ManWithNoName

(1):

Ventriloquist

Wraith

(1):

Impossibear

Impossibear

(1):

Dunnstral

davesaz

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

verylazy/Kokichi Oma (1):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VC 2.01

Dunnstral (2):

Ankamius,

Ouroboros

Kokichi Oma (2):

Dunnstral,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Ankamius (2):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Wraith

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

wilky

(2):

MariaR

,

Impossibear

Not Voting:

Tchill13/punreader

, Kokichi Oma,

wilky

,

Nero Cain/projectmatt

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

2.01

wilky

(3):

MariaR

,

Ouroboros

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Dunnstral (2):

Ankamius,

Kokichi Oma (2):

Dunnstral

Ankamius (1):

Ramcius/YT2980

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

wilky

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

Wraith

Not Voting:

Tchill13/punreader

, Kokichi Oma,

Nero Cain/projectmatt

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

,

Impossibear

2.02

wilky

(3):

MariaR

,

Ouroboros

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Dunnstral (2):

Ankamius,

Kokichi Oma (2):

Dunnstral

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ramcius/YT2980 (3):

wilky

, Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

Wraith

Not Voting:

Tchill13/punreader

, Kokichi Oma,

Nero Cain/projectmatt

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

2.02

wilky

(3):

MariaR

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

Tchill13/punreader

Dunnstral (1):

Ankamius

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ramcius/YT2980 (4):

wilky

, Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

, Dunnstral

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

Wraith

Not Voting:

Kokichi Oma,

projectmatt

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

davesaz

,

Ouroboros

2.03

wilky

(3):

MariaR

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

Tchill13/punreader

Dunnstral (1):

Ankamius

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ramcius/YT2980 (6):

wilky

, Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

, Dunnstral,

projectmatt

, Kokichi Oma

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

Wraith

Ouroboros

(1):

Kaede Akamatsu

Not Voting:

Alchemist21

,

davesaz

,

Ouroboros

2.04

wilky

(2):

MariaR

,

Tchill13/punreader

Impossibear

(1):

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ramcius/YT2980 (5):

wilky

, Dunnstral,

projectmatt

, Kokichi Oma,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Tchill13/punreader

(3):

Wraith

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

Impossibear

Kokichi Oma (2):

Ouroboros

, Ankamius

Not Voting:

Alchemist21

,

davesaz

, Ramcius/YT2980

2.05

wilky

(2):

MariaR

,

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (3):

wilky

, Dunnstral,

projectmatt

Tchill13/punreader

(5):

Wraith, Kaede Akamatsu, Impossibear

, Kokichi Oma,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Kokichi Oma (2):

Ankamius,

OnTheMark

Wraith

(1):

Ouroboros

Not Voting:

Alchemist21

,

davesaz

, Ramcius/YT2980

2.06

wilky

(2):

MariaR

,

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

wilky

,

projectmatt

Tchill13/punreader

(8):

Wraith

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

Impossibear

, Kokichi Oma,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

OnTheMark

, Ankamius, Dunnstral

Ankamius (1):

Ouroboros

Not Voting:

Alchemist21

,

davesaz

, Ramcius/YT2980

2.07

wilky

(2):

MariaR

,

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

wilky

Tchill13/punreader

(2):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

davesaz

davesaz

(4):

OnTheMark

, Kokichi Oma,

Kaede Akamatsu, Wraith

Dunnstral (2):

Ankamius,

projectmatt

OnTheMark (1):

Ouroboros

Wraith

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

projectmatt

(1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

Alchemist21

,

Impossibear

2.09

wilky

(1):

Tchill13/punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

wilky

, Ankamius

Tchill13/punreader

(3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

davesaz

,

MariaR

davesaz

(3):

OnTheMark

, Kokichi Oma,

Wraith

Dunnstral (2):

projectmatt

,

Alchemist21

OnTheMark

(1):

Ouroboros

Wraith

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

projectmatt

(1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

Impossibear, Kaede Akamatsu

2.10

wilky

(1):

punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (3):

wilky

, Ankamius,

projectmatt

punreader

(1):

davesaz

davesaz

(1):

Kokichi Oma

Dunnstral (1):

Alchemist21

Wraith

(5):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Ouroboros

,

Kaede Akamatsu, OnTheMark

, Dunnstral

Kokichi Oma (2):

MariaR

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

MariaR

(1):

Wraith

Not Voting:

Impossibear

2.12

wilky

(1):

punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

wilky

,

projectmatt

punreader

(2):

davesaz

,

Alchemist21

davesaz

(1):

Kokichi Oma

Wraith

(9):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Ouroboros

,

Kaede Akamatsu, OnTheMark

, Dunnstral,

Wraith

, Ankamius,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

Impossibear

Kokichi Oma (1):

MariaR

3.01

punreader

(1):

MariaR

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(3):

OnTheMark

,

Impossibear

, Kokichi Oma

projectmatt

(2):

Ramcius/YT2980, Dunnstral

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

Ankamius

Not Voting:

punreader

,

wilky

,

projectmatt

,

davesaz

,

Alchemist21

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

3.02

punreader

(1):

MariaR

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(4):

OnTheMark

,

Impossibear

, Kokichi Oma,

projectmatt

projectmatt

(2):

Ramcius/YT2980,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

Ankamius

MariaR

(1):

wilky

OnTheMark

(1):

Alchemist21

Alchemist21

(1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

punreader

,

davesaz

,

Kaede Akamatsu

3.03

punreader

(1):

MariaR

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(4):

OnTheMark

,

Impossibear

, Kokichi Oma,

projectmatt

projectmatt

(3):

Ramcius/YT2980,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

punreader

Ramcius/YT2980 (1):

Ankamius

MariaR

(1):

wilky

OnTheMark

(1):

Alchemist21

Alchemist21

(1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Kaede Akamatsu

3.04

punreader

(1):

MariaR

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(3):

OnTheMark

, Kokichi Oma,

davesaz

projectmatt

(6):

Ramcius/YT2980,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

, Dunnstral,

Impossibear

,

punreader

,

Kaede Akamatsu

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

Ankamius,

projectmatt

MariaR (1):

wilky

OnTheMark

(1):

Alchemist21

Not Voting:

davesaz

3.05

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(3):

OnTheMark

, Kokichi Oma,

davesaz

projectmatt

(6):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

,

punreader

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

MariaR

,

wilky

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

Ankamius,

projectmatt

davesaz

(1):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Not Voting:

davesaz

, Dunnstral,

Alchemist21

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(2):

OnTheMark

,

davesaz

projectmatt

(6):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

,

punreader

,

MariaR

,

wilky

,

Kaede Akamatsu

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

projectmatt

, Dunnstral

davesaz

(3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Alchemist21

3.07

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

(1):

OnTheMark

projectmatt

(8):

Ramcius/YT2980,

Impossibear

,

punreader

,

MariaR

,

wilky

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

,

davesaz

Ramcius/YT2980 (2):

projectmatt

, Dunnstral

davesaz

(2):

Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Alchemist21

Blue is not objectively conftown but has reason to be treated such at least subjectively.
Cyan is a softer shade of this: even less conftown, but off the lynch table today because of the significant chance of learning important information for tomorrow.

[Punreader]

VC 1.01

Ventriloquist

(2):

davesaz

,

hebichan/OnTheMark

Ouroboros

(1):

Alchemist21

Nero Cain/projectmatt

(1):

Impossibear

Tchill13/punreader

(1):

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

Kaede Akamatsu

(1):

Dunnstral

MariaR

(1):

Ramcius/YT2980

davesaz

(1):

wilky

wilky

(5):

Ouroboros

,

Kaede Akamatsu

,

ManWithNoName

,

MariaR

, Ankamius

Not Voting:

Wraith

,

Tchill13/punreader

,

Ventriloquist

,

Nero Cain/projectmatt

,

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

It's minor, but I find it slightly less likely pun would feel a particular need to pile onto wilky here. Knowing davesaz was town, both miller claims were to them presumably known to be town. As such, they had little reason to push hard for a lynch on one. This would give a small bit of support to the idea of Ankamius being town here.

Unfortunately, that's as much useful information as I could glean; the rest of my VCA simply reinforces existing biases: Kokichi Oma is objectively the most likely pun, with Dunnstral and YT as close but loosely Dunnstral looking ever so slightly worse, with Ankamius looking better overall.
An order which looks like Kokichi Oma > Dunnstral

>

YT > Ankamius, most to least. Same as without the VCA.

So since the VCA isn't actually

analyzing

anything, I'll need to do this the old-fashioned way. (Though I was planning on this regardless, I was hoping VCA could at least give me some sort of lead to check out. No such luck.)

[Ankamius]

I'm sorry guys

work has been brutalizing me (55 hours worked the past week and I still have quite a few days before I have a day off), so I haven't been in the mood to really put my head in the grinder and work things out.

I'll be able to do more day seven

[Punreader]

As promised,
VOTE: Kokichi Oma.
Apologies I couldn't do more.

[Tommy Egan]

@mod V/LA currently sat in hospital should be able to get on here sporadically but will update later today when I get all my results back

[Tommy Egan]

@mod V/LA currently sat in hospital should be able to get on here sporadically but will update later today when I get all my results back

This is Wilky.