Mini 2020: Destiny III: Cosmic Mafia [終わり]

[Dunnstral]

Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.

I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.

He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think so

yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird reads

[kuribo]

Fine Asshole


I offer you mercy and you keep fucking with me

Vote: Dunnstral

Get fucked

[Dunnstral]

Would you rather I not talk about my reads?

[thepixiecollective]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

[MariaR]

Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.

I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.

He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think so

yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird reads

Are you suggesting because his reads are weird he's town? I don't really get what you're saying

[Dunnstral]

pretty sure this is the current vc mollie

Dunnstral (4) - Kuribo, LLD, cupcamn, staeg
Staeg (4) - Espy, MariaR, God, Casper
God (1) - Nacho
Cupcamn (1) - Dunnstral
Espy (1) - DGB
Casper (1) - mollie
MariaR (1) - kokichi

ty!

so dunns is the hell wagon and staeg is the heaven. who on the staeg's wagon wld you be looking at for scum based on play plus vote placement?

questions like this don't seem like you're trying to work with me

How do you feel about camntsuki? and staeg wagon right now, and kuribo's vote there before being called out

[thepixiecollective]

pretty sure this is the current vc mollie

Dunnstral (4) - Kuribo, LLD, cupcamn, staeg
Staeg (4) - Espy, MariaR, God, Casper
Espy (2) - DGB, Feysal
God (1) - Nacho
Cupcamn (1) - Dunnstral
Casper (1) - mollie
MariaR (1) - kokichi

edit: forgot feysal existed

thanks for the correction!

[Dunnstral]

Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.

I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.

He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think so

yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird reads

Are you suggesting because his reads are weird he's town? I don't really get what you're saying

I meant it more like just because you disagree with his read, doesn't mean he's scum? He might just be omgusing? IDk

[Dunnstral]

Having trouble believing that Kuribo can honestly believe that both me and staeg are scum together right now

[zMuffinMan]

so dunns is the hell wagon and staeg is the heaven. who on the staeg's wagon wld you be looking at for scum based on play plus vote placement?

i dont actually have a scum read on the staeg wagon

if anyone, espy, but i don't really think he's scum

i think scum are mostly in the less active players and haven't been participating much in the major wagons (outside of maybe cupcamn who, per usual, jumps on anything that breathes)

[thepixiecollective]

Nacho and Feysal have good content so far

[Feysal]

AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

[Dunnstral]

I mean they do though, Pixie? Lots of game solving and reads forming and prodding between the two of them, maybe feysal moreso

[zMuffinMan]

@feysal

can you give a current reads list or an idea of where you're currently at in terms of reads and why?

i assume espy is still a scum read? do you have any other scum reads?

[Dunnstral]

But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

You can't be serious

[Dunnstral]

And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

Can we not do this

Can we actually look at them

[Dunnstral]

Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, Muffins

Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, Muffins

Don't you start, if he doesn't wanna be called out for naked voting he shouldn't naked vote

I'm not sure what type of response is possible to it, though? Other naked votes have happened which would have just-as-good defenses as this one, and it feels

very

weird that you'd stick to the objection

I was asked about him, that's the difference. He responded, which is also the difference.

I don't know why it surprised you or strikes you as weird that I'd engage people who interact with me.

Yeah that's fair - it did seem like more random words that don't mean much of anything rather than actual interaction to me. Is there any point in elaborating?

And frankly it's disingenuous for you to act like that's even the first naked vote in this game I've had a problem with or called out.

Nah, it's just the first one that spiraled into a series of somethings.

Kurbio, the push seemed off because at every step you raised an objection that differed significantly from anything I might have responded. There was a groove to it that didn't fit my reading of the game, even if none of it was technically wrong.

My original interpretation of Dunn's Kokichi vote and unvote was not fencesitty at all, mostly because I had a similar impression that there was a clear improvement, but I appear to have misassigned someone's post to Kokichi, since 156 is the only intermediate post and it's not a very good one. My previous frame pointed at Dunn making a reasonable transition that didn't merit much explanation (which made me confused about why Kuribo would jump on it), and this new one just feels like he got distracted and didn't pay attention, then tried to reverse-engineer the reasoning later.

Responding to "why is bad?" with "no why is it good?" was similarly jarring - your further response was the next intuitive step, and your dance felt like it had an added 2.5 step between the 2-beat and the 3-beat and was thus off.

I projected the off-ness of the dance onto Dunn at the time, and felt like he understandably couldn't quite catch your pitch. I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.


You then asserted disenginuity on my part and assumed that the faultline I perceived was regarding the naked vote, not regarding your approach specifically, which, blech, is fair in retrospect, but did not at all read like a reasonable interpretation of my posts at the time.

All this resulted in me feeling like you're not reading between the lines, or that your eyes perceive much different words written there. The "series of somethings" was a not-entirely-sober way of saying that you're talking past each other, and that you're also talking past me regarding a misplaced understanding of my points of disapproval.

GHEY DGB

THIS GAME IS KINDA STAGNATING WITHOUT BLOOD

WANNA GIVE KURIBO DUNS TODAY

I'm going to have to read the game again since no one wants to vote for the scum because it'll hurt their feelings, to find a scum that is socially acceptable to vote. :?

This entire debacle on behalf of DGB feels very inconsistent with my model of how emotionally intelligent she is

and

of what some people - kuribo, mostly - are saying in regards to their reasoning (ie directly contradicting the claim that this is emotion-based and pointing at actual content), to the extent that I'd call it a scumpost.

I admit I haven't been keeping track of what LLD has been doing besides that post that DGB dissected.

@LLD

- What are your reads on the players that you mentioned in 163 i.e. Maria, Kuribo, Katsuki/Camn hydra, Staeg, and Esp?

This feels artificial. Mechanical, to an even greater extent than the rest of your assorted Q&A sessions.

But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.

He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

Along with misassigning some posts to various players and thus no longer feeling like your first moves in the game were that great, this is a signal beacon. I don't see a way for you to come to this conclusion and then continue pushing the angle in light of everything that happens

and after being warned of thunderstrike territory

. You have an already written bottom line and are trying to rationalize your way to it, which is exceedingly more likely to come from a scum perspective.

unvote
vote: DUnnstral

Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm following their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag

ty for joining the best wagon ghost.

Can you two talk to me about why Staeg and why not listen to Nacho's meta tr on them?

And I want nacho to talk more about their read on staeg and if it's ch anged

Did you get around to answering the thing where if I'm aware of having such a meta it might be somewhat invalidated?
(it isn't, since I'm godawful at faking my town mindset as scum, but that's me saying that)

Along with some early game posting that I just outright disagreed with (calling certain posts towny when they were NAI/weren't with no reasoning) he goes from a stance defending dunn (the top few posts) to outright voting Dunn and calling him scum his tone feels like it changes too. It feels super strange and like scum trying to add fuel to the Dunnstral wagon.

First half I don't see anything wrong with reading posts wrong early - that plus the weird reads shows maybe he is just thinking differently about the game

I agree his sudden shift to voting me is suspect here

[thepixiecollective]

Spoiler:

AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

except lynching cupcakes is always a really good idea and everybody shld want it and muffina probably meant it and it had nothing to do with alignment.

other than that, what do you see muffina doing?

[thepixiecollective]

Spoiler:

AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

except lynching cupcakes is always a really good idea and everybody shld want it and muffina probably meant it and it had nothing to do with alignment.

other than that, what do you see muffina doing?

wait muffina has cupcake as scum. I misspoke

[Kokichi Oma]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

Than how she plays as town. She doesn't make those posts as town. Which is why I asked

[thepixiecollective]

Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.

differently from what?

Than how she plays as town. She doesn't make those posts as town. Which is why I asked

really?

from my limited experience with her she certainly does not make those posts as scum

[thepixiecollective]

which is why I am asking btw

[Fate]

How needed is a VC 1-10

Ill do it in the mornign for sure

[Fate]

Vote Count:

"A king must live a grander life than any other’s, and stoke his people’s feelings of admiration! He who is worthy of all heroes’ envy, and he who leads their way, is king! Therefore, the king is not alone. For his will equals that of all his followers together!" -Rider

-Leo, 9th House

camntsuki-Sagitarrius: To Unify (1) Dunnstral
zMuffinMan- Virgo: To Serve (1) Nachomamma8
Kokichi Oma- Gemini: To Listen (0)
MariaR- Aquarius: To Liberate (1) Kokichi Oma
AnonymousGhost- Scorpio: To Transform (0):
thepixiecollective- Cancer: To Nourish (0)
DrippingGoofBall- Libra: To Balance (0)
Espeonage-Gemini: To Listen (2) Feysal, DGB
Kuribo- Gemini: To Listen (0)
Feysal- Virgo: To Serve (0)
Nachomamma8- Pisces: To Let Go (0)
Staeg- Aquarius: To Liberate (4) Espeonage, MariaR, zMuffinMan. AnonymousGhost
LadyLambdadelta- Taurus: To Produce (0)
Dunnstral- Cancer: To Nourish (5) thepixiecollective, Lady Lambdadelta, camntsuki, Kuribo, Staeg (L-2)

Not Voting: Kokichi Oma

With 13 alive it takes 7 to obliterate someone.

Deadline: July 15th

[AnonymousGhost]

Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm following their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag

@Mod - /cough/