NY 213 - Game Over!

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s changing because people have actively been choosing to accept all town neighborhoods lately, i still see it as likely to have the paranoia aspect.

[wavemode]

And here I thought this game would be boring

[Hopkirk]

Site meta isn't to lynch within neighbours? I thought it was. Might be coloured by my last game having a neighbourhood with 1 scum 2 town.
Like 80%+ have mafia. After an IC claim it seem pretty likely we'll lynch in there.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - you say mylo is capable as scum. If they are scum, they’ve done nothing here to suggest them being capable. I see them as town who’s just kind of here who has people pushing them, but doesn’t have any reads.

[JarJarDrinks]

You could say the exact same thing here, and literally just change that T to an S and does the same thing, if not more. This is projecty. However this does make me feel GROB and KK arent scum together.

just feels like he's trying to provoke a reaction rather than directly attack you

Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

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Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

this is pretty damning

It’s actually damning to JJD on second glance. There’s plenty of town games that the same thing was said. Don’t know why any of those weren’t brought up.

Could you point me to them? I thought I did a thorough search but it's possible I missed something.

I saw you call people stuff like "classic

player X

" in some town games but never classic scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I’m not on my way to work, I’ll search for them. I do have three accounts to check from, so...haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

Alright. Consider it fake and deal with it at another time then.

Ausuka even stated it could be false. I tend to do that. But it’ll sort itself out eventually anyways.

[Hopkirk]

@Ausuka: Was looking at meta quickly, and I think you played in Mylo's only full scumgame. Does this feel similar? It reads as similar, but you're in a better position to judge.
Cautious about using meta with only one game, but he was very inactive/lurky in that game, and (mostly) a lot more active in town games. I could see this as a Creature style deal.

[wavemode]

except site meta isn't to kill all neighbours? and you guys just kind of decided to do that?

"you guys"

[Hopkirk]

I'm getting a real urge to lynch Ausuka. I know she's a confirmed innocent and all, but she's also a neighbour and I'm feeling really conflicted.

[Ausuka]

@Ausuka - you say mylo is capable as scum. If they are scum, they’ve done nothing here to suggest them being capable. I see them as town who’s just kind of here who has people pushing them, but doesn’t have any reads.

He looked a lot more capable in marathon weekend so there's no way for me to tell what happened before the marathon weekend or how competent he was being early game. Maybe he is town I guess. can you summarise why I should vote KK?

and yeah mylo as scum has been fairly lurky and more active in towngames. He was comparatively more active here which is why I townread him earlier.

Pedit:

Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

if you really feel the need to make comments like that read my posts to make sure you're right before you make them please.

[Hopkirk]

Who's that pedit at?

[JarJarDrinks]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

Alright. Consider it fake and deal with it at another time then.

Ausuka even stated it could be false. I tend to do that. But it’ll sort itself out eventually anyways.

Guys, please run the votes on this up until the partner claims or he admits it was a fake claim.

[Ausuka]

Who's that pedit at?

wave.

[JarJarDrinks]

IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

[JarJarDrinks]

When I’m not on my way to work, I’ll search for them. I do have three accounts to check from, so...haha.

yeah but obviously weren't talking about your other accounts because you said it was "damning to JJD".

[Hopkirk]

Are PT cops normal?

[Hopkirk]

@JJD: am I missing something, or did he only use the phrase twice as scum? It seems like a small pool?

I tried something with looking at word use a few games ago and it went pretty badly. Had someone scoring in the 40s by the metrics I was looking at in 3 scumgames and the 10s in 3 scumgames and read them wrong because they were doing the town one as scum. Probably due to a bad choice of metrics, but it seems like a tiny data set for something that isn't inherently scummy.

Would FL bringing up an occasion where he's said that phrase (as FL) actually have changed your read on him?

[Ausuka]

Are PT cops normal?

there is a similar role called Traffic Analyst that is whitelisted. it's basically a PT cop that returns negative when you're the last one in a PT. for example, a mason in a 2-player masonry would return a positive result, and the last scum would return a negative result.

[Hopkirk]

Just to make 90% into 100%
2 masons-positive
1 mason -negative

2/3 scum- +ve
1 scum- -ve

[Hopkirk]

Nvm, checked the wiki and I understood it right.

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJD: am I missing something, or did he only use the phrase twice as scum? It seems like a small pool?

You're not missing anything. It's not a big part of my scumread and I'm not harping on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

[JarJarDrinks]

him saying that me not bringing up that he also does it as town makes me scummy even though he's only potentially done it under an alt makes him look shitty tho.