Micro 810: lovers mafia BTMPWTMAATSGATAPSIAWT [game over]

[Ausuka]

I would like the scumteam to be Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine
This probably reds imo.

[Ausuka]

I only won that because I had good buddies D:

[Ausuka]

Also xy has seen ausuka scum very recently and it's nothing impressive for sure. I think they would want to see Pine's scumgame in action due to his reputation. Just a theory but the best I have so...

Pedit: hi Pine! Aren't you at l3 now? I don't think there's a substantial threat of quickhammer from that?

[Ausuka]

I mean yeah we don't l1 in a NM game until we're ready to lynch but I think everyone here knows that right?

Pedit: oh lol

[Ausuka]

One vote in RVS is not a "quickwagon" and voting someone in a Micro on page 1 is definitely not scummy. I don't get why you think it is.

Tempted to take NM on his offer.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Ausuka]

:/

[Ausuka]

ok

[Ausuka]

Yes.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

Meh.
VOTE: nicorobin

[Ausuka]

nice meme

[Ausuka]

I have a very strong townread on Ausuka.

[Ausuka]

For real though idk what to post. NM was requested but he's been kinda towny? so I think alignments were randomized. My gut says it's pine/math but not sure both scum would vote me? Nico has literally done nothing so probably her and one of those two. Or xy went full bastard and did something like "moderator is the scum" or even "nsg is scum" as a meme. I think redflavor is town.

[Ausuka]

Can't you guys hammer it yourselves if you need to? I'm tired and I don't feel like weighing the strategic advantages and disadvantages of self hammering.

[Ausuka]

I will selfhammer if it means avoiding the point loss.

[Ausuka]

I feel that nm/redflavor are likely town. Math is a third placed position. It may be RNG Pine/nico, that's where I lean right now. Hard to tell though.

[Ausuka]

That's like the last thing he's doing? He wants a lynch in {aus, math} right?

[Ausuka]

Oh right.

[Ausuka]

I believe nico is scum and redflavor is the second actually.

Should I just do it?

[Ausuka]

It's too late for that I think.

[Ausuka]

I feel like I'm almost guaranteed to get lylo'd if we do that :/

[Ausuka]

But like I think it's roughly optimal if you guys vote nico? So if you want we can do that.

[Ausuka]

nice quickhammer

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

part of me wanted to vote RF but I don't think there is a viable partner other than Mathdino? who I'd say is fairly town based off his own merits. Maybe it's miltank and pine.

[Ausuka]

Lol. I knew this would happen. I didn't talk you into anything, I just said Nico was scum. It was your personal choice to jump onto her wagon and turn me into your second mislynch instead of your first, so that you could win.
VOTE: Pine

[Ausuka]

So it isn't RF. It must be miltank or Math. I lean miltank. When I called pine/nm earlier pine decided to vote me.

RF, iirc my tr on you was a tone/meta thing. I started to doubt it later while you were kinda lurking out.

[Ausuka]

RF literally cannot be scum with anyone but me lol.

[Ausuka]

Wait no sorry I got that backwards lol. He cannot be scum with anyone but Pine. If he was scum with anyone but Pine he would've hammered Pine.

[Ausuka]

So it could still be RF. I'll look at it more closely later.

[Ausuka]

Hi?

[Ausuka]

Ok so if it's math/pine they would hammer right? Were rf and pine on together since the vote?

[Ausuka]

So I'm confirmed town and so is redflavor
Not_Mafias vote was a scumclaim

I missed something right? Why can't it be flavour and pine?

[Ausuka]

I know you're voting NM but rf hasn't yet had the opportunity to hammer with pine?

[Ausuka]

I'll trust you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Ausuka]

Math is literal conftown to me though.

[Ausuka]

So his promises mean things.

[Ausuka]

Okay...?

[Ausuka]

I'm so lost wtf. That was a straight throw regardless of alignment right? Or else what happened.

[Ausuka]

So his promises mean things.

Irrelevant, he’s flipped on me from conf town to conf scum, he can easily do the same with Red Flavour

I mean... he can't? The game is over.

[Ausuka]

Pine/RF then? Meh we lost that anyway. gg.

[Ausuka]

No I was town.

[Ausuka]

Scum have daytalk. It's in opening post.

[Ausuka]

I shouldn't have voted Miltank

[Ausuka]

I wanted to lynch Pine but I thought I needed to compromise

[Ausuka]

I just realized that if it's pine/rf this was an all town mislynch. Never would have thought it possible in LyLo

I mean I guess we just sped up the inevitable.

[Ausuka]

.

[Ausuka]

Miltank...

[Ausuka]

I think I should be scum with NM so that I can selfhammer in lylo

[Ausuka]

But there was no reason to lie about it by then??????

[Ausuka]

Oh well.

RF COULD maybe potentially have voted one of us?

[Ausuka]

I feel like there's serious potential for town to win every iteration of this setup. Nico and Pine perhaps the hardest to read into but it's quite easy to PoE in this playerlist imo.

[Ausuka]

I feel like there's serious potential for town to win every iteration of this setup. Nico and Pine perhaps the hardest to read into but it's quite easy to PoE in this playerlist imo.

People are for some reason really bad at reading me

I think it's easier when people are familiar with you? You're not obvscum as scum but you're obvtown as town and I feel like a little bit of that is absent in your scumgame meaning that someone who's familiar with you can tell? At least that's what I used to TR you this game. idk.

[Ausuka]

I was mafia lover with nm... gg I guess. No idea why he had to selfvote there.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Nicorobin

[Ausuka]

nico has been blatantly playing anti-town here and she doesn't actually do that as town; last game for example she played perfectly normally and this quickhammer + lylo instavote is just refuge in audacity (which is a buzzword and i recognize they are generally unhelpful but i can't think of anything better to describe it)

[Ausuka]

well I don't think it's redflavor? either pine or math

[Ausuka]

It is though? If Rf/pine or Rf/math were scum, they would hammer me or nico together. If rf/nico or rf/ausuka were scum, they would hammer pine or math together. So, unless RF hammers with his scumbuddy he is conftown.

[Ausuka]

Or scum could be avoiding hammering to gain towncred. Did you even think of that possibility?

why do you need towncred when you can literally win the game

[Ausuka]

but like nice job trying to get us to doubt townies i guess

[Ausuka]

Crossvotes only work in 3p LYLO. This is 5p. Coordinating a quickhammer with a partner is harder than it looks. You're frivolously clearing people, and working this angle way too hard. It does not work that way.

X: hey mafia buddy we're both online so let's hammer at XX:55
Y: ok sure let's go
X at XX:55: VOTE: TOWNIE
Y at XX:55: VOTE: TOWNIE

And it's so fast that the town can't do anything about it.

[Ausuka]

- ausuka, despite shitting on pine's posts, has shown no effort to actually resolve pine/math.

Why should I? This is lovers mafia and Nico is confirmed scum to me. People were ready to lynch Nico which is a move that would win the game. I didn't need to do anything or solve anything.

ausuka

, if the team is actually pine/nico gambiting, you should put your money where your mouth is and vote pine. there's no way i'm scum this game.

You voted Nico, then immediately voted Pine because it was slightly better to you-- and then unvoted entirely.
You've hardpushed a Pine lynch while Pine has been willing to lynch Nico (and Nico has postured to vote Pine also)
You've acknowledged that Nicorobin the literally indefensible is scum but you've made every effort to get out of actually lynching her
You're acting like it's scummy to a) be able to recognize RF is town and b) be able to recognize Nico is scum. Both of those reads require significantly less skill than reading most players.

Don't say there's no way you're scum. That's just a lie.

[Ausuka]

as scum with her, i would've told her to play differently and better, and might've written her posts for her

This assumes she would listen.

[Ausuka]

Also ausuka gave more effort than nico in our game but she does not do anything even when she has the scumteam confirmed on her eyes if she town

Mathdino hardpushed Pine while I was asleep. Before then everything pointed to town coming together on Nico and winning.

[Ausuka]

Omg I thought we were gonna lose that. Gg

[Ausuka]

By we do you mean me and you?

I meant me and Pine

[Ausuka]

I mean, mafia are going to say that too.

[Ausuka]

Uhhh what do you mean by that? I'm saying that I was mafia lover with Pine, which has to be true from your point of your view?

[Ausuka]

Uhhh what do you mean by that? I'm saying that I was mafia lover with Pine, which has to be true from your point of your view?

That's right, so you just admitted you were mafia.

Yes, I did.

[Ausuka]

My scum start this game was going to be to lynch Ausuka for winning btw

Please don't do that

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

No that's not game and I want to lynch Pine tomorrow I think.

[Ausuka]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ausuka]

Pine, what do you think about Mathdino?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: NotMafia

[Ausuka]

I think other mafia is Math or NM, but Im leaning math

why? quickhammer on Nico didn't make sense and I think that's something that's more likely to come from scum!NM knowing people see him as a trolly player and wouldn't question it. also I get towny pings from math and scummy pings on NM. This game has slowed to a crawl anyway

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine

I don't think that's true at all.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

Yeah not confident in this. I want mathdino to check in.

[Ausuka]

Ok so I don't think it can be Pine/NM.

[Ausuka]

therefore if Pine is scum it must be with Mathdino which I find reasonable considering Mathdino hasn't done anything all game (not AI due to sitewide absence but there's nothing towny in there) and Pine was suggesting it was RF/NM like (I think) he does with both of the townies every game. Also Pine/Math is reasonable assuming xyzzy is literally just pairing Pine to everyone.

[Ausuka]

otoh it could be something like RF/Math and xy is going left field with this

[Ausuka]

Why am I conftown?

[Ausuka]

Rip lol

[Ausuka]

VOTE: pine

autowin every game.

[Ausuka]

So it's Pine/Nico?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine

[Ausuka]

It is possible that xxxy chose the scumteam and because we know pine is always mafia he made it look like alisae chose it without knowledge

I was thinking the opposite actually, that xyzzy said something like "you can choose the scumteam for my game except you have to choose Pine and NicoRobin." and I think this makes sense considering how much the fact that Ali "chose" the scumteam has been emphasized.

[Ausuka]

also pine is scum always!

[Ausuka]

Its nico pine then

^

[Ausuka]

VOTE: RC

[Ausuka]

lyncinng ausuka and pine is free win

what

[Ausuka]

VOTE: pine

[Ausuka]

i'm here. no strong thoughts on the whole metagame thing. i just try to win every game using whatever method seems most useful.

[Ausuka]

709 is NAI at worst for nico i think.

[Ausuka]

Pine, uh, might be scum, yeah? i don't really know how to get reads from what i have currently.

[Ausuka]

Its weird that ausuksa said nothing about pine aftetir saying nicos post is nai

people scumreading things that I view as NAI is also NAI.

[Ausuka]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

thanks rf- what do you mean by "first game"- i don't see the point if you want to see my very first game on mafiascum back in 2015.

[Ausuka]

I don't like the NM wagon

Why not?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: notmafia

[Ausuka]

It's a typo. Look at the opening post.

[Ausuka]

From the rules:

each day has a one week deadline. if the deadline passes without a lynch, each

town

player loses half a point and the day continues for an additional period reduced by 48 hours. the third time a deadline passes during a subgame, the mafia automatically win the game.

[Ausuka]

RF setting up to vote me feels horrible. Don't really have thoughts on the other three. NR feels kinda town I guess.

[Ausuka]

happy Sunday redflavor!

VOTE: redflavor

Ultimately I don't see myself changing my read here. And if RC is scum he just deserves the win tbh. Sorry if I'm wrong.

[Ausuka]

happy scumday redflavor!

VOTE: redflavor

Ultimately I don't see myself changing my read here. And if RC is scum he just deserves the win tbh. Sorry if I'm wrong.

I'm on mobile and autocorrect is bad.

[Ausuka]

Ok so this was RF/Pine right?

[Ausuka]

Now all we need to do is instalynch prople with 4 points

This exclusively benefits Nico and RF ftr. For NM and Pine all it does is increase the amount of people in the draw that doesn't include them. Which honestly seems to be a worse result.

[Ausuka]

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[Ausuka]

I am aligned with the

town.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Pine

I am aligned with the

town.

[Ausuka]

your argument about scum being people selected one time is awful. you're arguing that xyzzy will pick people who have been scum only once which is not only a random statement with no evidence behind it, it's also contradicted by the fact someone was selected for scum 5 times. I don't see why you push this as town.

[Ausuka]

*eyeroll*

I'm not scum again. I've been with everyone. I'd say "don't be dumb," but it's really "don't be self-serving"

... and? if there's a rule saying nobody can be scum twice let me know but otherwise this is a non-argument.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: pine

[Ausuka]

Yeah I'm down with this

#realvote

VOTE: NM

Regardless of whether we lynch NM or not this has to die before endgame.

[Ausuka]

Not much to say. Every game is new, and this one hasn't started yet.

The most important thing to know is that the scum are not random; xyzzy is picking. Thus, the only really relevant things from previous games (imho) is who has been scum and with whom.

G1 - Pine + Not_Mafia - Town win
G2 - Pine + Ausuka - Scum win
G3 - Pine + RedFlavor - Scum win
G4 - Pine + Nico (you) - Town win
G5 - RC + Nico (you) - Scum win
G6 - Pine + RC - Scum win

Takeaways: Town winrate is awful, and I've been scum with everyone, round-robin style. This is my second game of seven as Town, and I'll be damned if I'm going to lose this one too.

--Scumrates--
Pine: 5/6 (5/7)
NM: 1/6
Ausuka: 1/6
RF: 1/6
Nico/Chick: 2/6
MathDino/RC: 2/6

I'm interested in lynching {NM, Ausuka, RF}. As much as I want to lynch RC and hope he's scum so we can tie in the overall standings, I think he has a high EV of being Town.

*eyeroll*

I'm not scum again. I've been with everyone. I'd say "don't be dumb," but it's really "don't be self-serving"

I am aligned with the

mafia

.

I am aligned with the

mafia

.

Sorry meant to say town definitely not a Freudian slip

*twitch* what the shit is this

VOTE: RF?

Yeah I'm down with this

#realvote

VOTE: NM

Like. If I'm being silly here I'd love to hear why but this just seems to be blatant scum. The push on me/RF/NM makes no sense and when I point it out he just waves it off by arguing no team can occur twice? Then he makes a throwaway comment about a meme which he does nothing with later. Now he's hopping on NM wagon for like basically no reason??? Meanwhile there's no actual reasoning for scumreading Miltank other than he's tunneling RC which he does every game anyway.

[Ausuka]

*twitch*

Ausuka/NM

That's some pretty hardcore chainsaw action right there

-_-

The fact that at least one of NM, Ausuka, and RF are Town is super depressing.

Stop gamethrowing, guys. Make good cases, make joke cases, but don't make shitty cases.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Chickadee
compromise lynch. Still want pine. This is just most likely buddy imo.

[Ausuka]

Yeah I'm down with this

#realvote

VOTE: NM

Pine why is this vote better than RC's?

[Ausuka]

Because it's on scum.

That isn't an answer or what I was getting at and I'm pretty sure you know it :/

[Ausuka]

i'm waiting for pine to answer my question!

if you want to know which way i'm leaning i think that would be fairly obvious based on the fact that I've wanted to lynch pine for the entire game and he hasn't refuted anything I've said unless you count "stop gamethrowing."

[Ausuka]

gg, thanks for modding xyzzy.