OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[Enigma]

Quack

[Enigma]

VOTE: Enigma

blatantly sheeping two early town reads (agree with the tone looking weird in 109 and with CJ's point as well)

but mostly BuJaber's latest posts made me not like my vote on him

Are you are blatantly sheeping onto this new wagon?

[Skygazer]

yes! it's a nice wagon, i like it, it feels like home

[Enigma]

you're saying she could be purposefully trying to play differently to throw us off her scumgame?

Yep.

Have you played with ruru as town or read any of her towngames?

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=75474

i'm having a lot of trouble seeing the person who kept posting to herself 'i am town' in her scum pt (i'm pretty sure this is last scumgame on site barring a marathon game last week) trying to pull any of these things off as scum tbh

Ok her scum play is sooooooooo very different to what we see here. As scum she posted meaningful discussions and fake analysis. Here, it sounds like she has a posting restriction ... it is so different that it seems almost forced.

she wouldn't post as scum without like re-reading and re-checking each of her posts; it was all super planned and coordinated very very carefully. i just don't see her being ... carefree enough to post like this as scum. it's too lolcrazy to come from her as scum!imo.

like she's too worried about how she's percieved to try something like this i think

i also played a towngame with her - brass's open; i think open 721 maybe? and she was just a lot more ... spontaneous is prob a good word

Yeh just read 721 she is spontaneous, but helpful at least with content. Here i feel is quite different - more random: no content here ... plus awkward non-town-beneficial choice/claim/play for no1 seed.

No games with anyone here .. haven't been on site for a loooooong time

[Invisibility]

ruru playing through 7 layers of wifom so i doubt i can ever read her this game

[ruru]

yes! it's a nice wagon, i like it, it feels like home

Tropical the island breeze
All of nature wild and free
This is where I long to be

[BuJaber]

ruru playing through 7 layers of wifom so i doubt i can ever read her this game

You don't have to. She made it easy with pgo claim. Policy lynch tomorrow.

[AP]

You don't have to. She made it easy with pgo claim. Policy lynch tomorrow.

PGO gets PL'd at the day before LyLo.

[brassherald]

Yeah, why a PL day 2?

[AP]

Also, I'm keeping my reads confidential for now. I have a certain slot that's getting on my nerve right now and I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

[skitter30]

This isn't spontaneous ruru? Wow.

i meant that spontaneity (ie not planned and/or orchestrated ) is a towntell for her and this is too spontaneous to come from her as scum i think since she like overthinks everything as scum
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Yeah
I don't look at old games. It might be a bad thing. It might be limiting myself. But I just don't do it. I sometimes look up general notes on setups on wiki but that's it. I come into setups fresh or if I've played them before I bring my own experience. Just the way I am. I don't think the value gained from it is worth the research time personally.

But technically what I said doesn't actually confirm that. All I said is 1 of them is scum. I could also have been one of them.

the bolded pings me the wrong way - you're saying that there's scum in the group of people who posted about scum strats for this game but you're highlighting that it could have been you?

I acrually have a gut scumread on brass. He seems quite confident, and from my personal interactions with him he seems more confident as scum than as town.

i haven't played with scum!brass but he's pinging me as town here - i liked the analysis he did wrt draft; it felt very nuanced to me

is brass who you were thinking of wrt the '1 scum in the people who were posting scum-strats' thing?

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setup speculation here is kinda boring and useless d1 but I guess it's something I should have expected signing up for pyp x/y.

agree

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I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.

Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line

why townvibes? i didn't really like his reaction to the pgo thing
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VOTE: Enigma

blatantly sheeping two early town reads (agree with the tone looking weird in 109 and with CJ's point as well)

but mostly BuJaber's latest posts made me not like my vote on him

Are you are blatantly sheeping onto this new wagon?

what do you think about ruru's and ofrhz's votes on you?

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i think i want to go here for now

VOTE: oka

[AP]

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think I want to sheep skitter for now.

VOTE: Oka

[the worst]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Sando (1)

~ BuJaber,

skitter30 (0)

~

AP (0)

~

brassherald (0)

~

BuJaber (2)

~ vulcan logician, Enigma,

Ausuka (0)

~

Skygazer (0)

~

vulcan logician (1)

~ Sando,

ceejayvinoya (0)

~

ruru (1)

~ OkaPoka,

ofrhz (0)

~

Invisibility (0)

~

OkaPoka (3)

~ brassherald, skitter30, AP,

Enigma (5)

~ ceejayvinoya, Ausuka, Skygazer, ruru, ofrhz,

NOT VOTING:

Invisibility,

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2018-07-25 18:30:00)

mod notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[Invisibility]

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think I want to sheep skitter for now.

VOTE: Oka

is this just a sheep?

[Invisibility]

VOTE: Oka
iso'd and actually im getting a gut ping here

[brassherald]

I feel like AP hinted at his read directly before that post, and joined when he saw there are continued reads like that from others.

For the record, OkaPoka is a gut read of mine from when I first voted him, and he has done nothing to fix the scum feels from his slot.

[Invisibility]

yeah okay

[AP]

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think I want to sheep skitter for now.

VOTE: Oka

is this just a sheep?

Nope. That was the slot that actually got me pulling my hair off. Al he seems to do is nitpick anything that anyone else says. It looks like he wants to stand out as "doing something different" but -at the same time- nothing productive. He's spewing doubt in every single case or line of reasoning anyone else tries to build upon and that's it.

[BuJaber]

Yeah, why a PL day 2?

My math was off. I thought day 2 was mylo -1 but it's day 3.

[BuJaber]

@skitter - not exactly. I was saying that the fact that I said I predict that 1 scum is among the researchers doesn't necessary mean I didn't research. It just so happens to be true but since it was just a prediction on something nai (research) the next time I predict something similar I might be among the pool. In this case the fact that multiple people have researched past games points to one f them being scum simply because I find it highly unlikely that all those that researched are town. Especially since scum benefit more from the research in this setup imo.

No brass scumread is based on the meta thing I mentioned. I wasn't thinking about him or anyone else in particular when I made the prediction.

I dunno I kinda felt that oka's posts seemed like active participation for the purposes of scumhunting. But given the wagon on him it'd be worth reading his ISO to see all his posts together and assess his total contribution to the game so far.

[Enigma]

VOTE: Enigma

blatantly sheeping two early town reads (agree with the tone looking weird in 109 and with CJ's point as well)

but mostly BuJaber's latest posts made me not like my vote on him

Are you are blatantly sheeping onto this new wagon?

what do you think about ruru's and ofrhz's votes on you?

Gut says one of the three who jumped on are scum.

I don't think there is (for myself, at least) any point in trying to rationalise ruru for now. I think I'll just ignore her and her claim until later in the game where it will all unravel if she's scum.

Also I was just waiting to see if ofrhz would feel like explaining himself later. He asked a few qs, I responded but he didn't say end up reasoning in thread but rather just jumped on the wagon. Though I imagine it was due to my attention on ruru, and given the controversy and difference of opinions there - leaning the suspicion towards sky.

[Enigma]

@skitter - not exactly. I was saying that the fact that I said I predict that 1 scum is among the researchers doesn't necessary mean I didn't research. It just so happens to be true but since it was just a prediction on something nai (research) the next time I predict something similar I might be among the pool. In this case the fact that multiple people have researched past games points to one f them being scum simply because I find it highly unlikely that all those that researched are town. Especially since scum benefit more from the research in this setup imo.

No brass scumread is based on the meta thing I mentioned. I wasn't thinking about him or anyone else in particular when I made the prediction.

I dunno I kinda felt that oka's posts seemed like active participation for the purposes of scumhunting. But given the wagon on him it'd be worth reading his ISO to see all his posts together and assess his total contribution to the game so far.

I dunno about scum benefitting more from research into this setup - they have the benefit of being in the informed minority so they can already work together to make sure that their drafts choices are cooperative with each other and the scum team in general. Town don't have anyone to bounce reason, strategy and logic off pre-game and they are also going into it blind (and competing with more than scum), so why not try to make an informed and rational decision by looking at past games?
Or meh ... maybe I'm just a nerd

[BuJaber]

That's actually why I think it benefits scum more.

See a townie can research and make assumptions based on past games but they would still be rooted in WIFOM. Will the current scum team follow the trends or won't they?

Scum researching tells them exactly how past scum did it and how successful they were and then they make the decision to go along with past success or go a different route but then in the game ghread they will likely try to subtly make us assume the opposite of what they actually did. Their arguments look better if they research first.

A townie doesn't care if scum is playing optimally or not. They just want to identify them. Scum would want to increase their chances.

[brassherald]

Only reason I know any info on this setup is because the last time it was room Mathdino was in it, by the way. Even though he left the site, it seems, he knew like everything about every open setup. I'd assume he was right about it all too

[the worst]

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