Micro 813 - Game Over

[MafMen]

im so done man

im not twilight posting anymore

[Invisibility]

hi

[Antihero]

you weren't wrong to hammer

whatever

waiting on khan now

[OkaPoka]

wait in what world is mafmen not wrong to hammer

i mean what possible benefits does quickhammering benefit town?

if korina is scum we lose some time for associative tells when maf gives intent
if korina is town we lose time for discussion and finding better lynch candidates that may appear

[GuiltyLion]

Anti what do you make of Oka's immediate "Maf is scum" pivot? on one hand it feels genuine but I kinda think it's a scummy position to hold cause I agree that the hammer wasn't really that bad there

assuming Korina town, there's prob a scum in Manatee/MafMen, prob a scum in Oka/Otter, and Invis rounds out any combo of those teams nicely

[OkaPoka]

@guiltylion why wasn't the hammer not that bad? it's harmful for town

[Invisibility]

oka why was the hammer bad

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Vote Count

Korina - 5 - Oath, Invisibility, Antihero, OkaPoka, MafMen
MafMen - 2 - LuckyOtter, GuiltyLion
Invisibility - 1 - Korina
LuckyOtter - 1 - ManateeDude

Not Voting -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

LuckyOtter V/LA until 7/16/18.


Wait, hold on. You asked Korina to leave?! Korina (

Vanilla Town

) was going to be a major investor. Oh well, the game continues. Resetting the vote count.

Vote Count

Not Voting - Oath, Invisibility, Antihero, OkaPoka, MafMen, LuckyOtter, GuiltyLion, ManateeDude

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

LuckyOtter V/LA until 7/16/18.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-07-22 13:32:13)

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Invisibility

[GuiltyLion]

@guiltylion why wasn't the hammer not that bad? it's harmful for town

yeah it "cut discussion time short" but we got a lot of readable content from almost everyone except probably Manatee/Otter and Korina was shaping up to be a lynch in this game at some point no matter what

and if it had been on scum then it would have been a win in my book regardless of how short the day phase is. "associative tells" are nice but scum lynch is nicest of all, I'd take a page 1 D1 scumlynch over a 30 page D1 town lynch, especially in this setup

it was def more harmful to town than not-speed-hammering, especially now that Korina flipped town, I'll give you that, but I don't think it necessarily makes MafMen lock scum.

[GuiltyLion]

actually you know

I'm not scum and I strongly doubt all three scum were on the wagon

so extremely good chance of a scum in LuckyOtter or Manatee

if MafMen is town then I'd say Manatee is almost definite scum, the random comment in 189 on his associative with Maf while ignoring everything else going on in the game rubs me the wrong way

[Invisibility]

2. GuiltyLion - likely town
3. MafMen - null
4. ManateeDude - lynchbait
5. OkaPoka - scumlean
6. Oath - town
7. Invisibility - dog
8. Antihero - likely town
9. LuckyOtter - null
{Oka, mafmen, Lucky}
VOTE: okapoka

[OkaPoka]

oka why was the hammer bad

wait in what world is mafmen not wrong to hammer

i mean what possible benefits does quickhammering benefit town?

if korina is scum we lose some time for associative tells when maf gives intent
if korina is town we lose time for discussion and finding better lynch candidates that may appear

VOTE: mafmen

would also be content with an invis lynch today

hi
korina is still scum

k i might stick with my reads because this sounds like straight up bussing

VOTE: Korina
after this flips scum we lynch invis

now that korina flipped town waddup?

would like to hear more from antihero

[Antihero]

Anti what do you make of Oka's immediate "Maf is scum" pivot? on one hand it feels genuine but I kinda think it's a scummy position to hold cause I agree that the hammer wasn't really that bad there

yeah i think oka's DISCUSSION TIME grandstanding is scummy. given how ingrained the pernicious "longer days are always better" is in the site-meta, i'm not surprised to hear criticism come up after that hammer but oka is the one that made the L1 vote and that comes with intent. you don't put someone (especially someone threatening to self hammer) at L1 and then get to be appalled at a hammer

[Antihero]

would like to hear more from antihero

i mean... i'm a pretty active poster so you could reasonably assume that i'd weigh in

any particular reason for that poke?

[MafMen]

even though invis is acting quite scummy i cant help but feel im wrong after my last mistake

[GuiltyLion]

even though invis is acting quite scummy i cant help but feel im wrong after my last mistake

have you considered re-evaluating your Manatee TR at all

[Antihero]

reviewing...

still think oath is town

still leaning town on guiltylion (and this game's p fucked if he's not given the ciphers here)

mafmen i would feel a lot better on if he just hammered wo apology bc even given that korina was town i still think it was a good hammer. the recoil kind of nixes that for me bc now i'm wondering if the knowledge that korina was town was what caused mafmen's freak-out

still scumreading oka's lamist posting

burning the rest of my reads list and resetting.

VOTE: oka

[OkaPoka]

would like to hear more from antihero

i mean... i'm a pretty active poster so you could reasonably assume that i'd weigh in

any particular reason for that poke?

you are the only null read in my mind so i was hoping that you would say more to help me sort you out better

i mean sure call it LAMIST for me to want more discussion time, but i have still yet to see someone disprove the idea that more discussion time is good for town.

and yes i can be appalled for a hammer, doesn't matter if mafmen apologized for it or not, a quickhammer is still a quickhammer and now all we have to do is believe his apology or not. i don't believe his apology, you can if you want.

here's how im feeling about everyone not that anyone asked

probable scum (mafmen, invis)
leaning scum on (manateeDude)
null (antihero, still)
leaning town (luckyotter, oath) (would like to see more action and engagement from both of these, and yes i do know lucky is V/LA)
town (guiltylion)

if you want me to clarify any just @ me

[MafMen]

even though invis is acting quite scummy i cant help but feel im wrong after my last mistake

have you considered re-evaluating your Manatee TR at all

i considered it
and i decided hes still town

[MafMen]

ugh call it OMGUS but hes the last one in my poe pool that im not doubting
VOTE: OkaPoka

[MafMen]

reviewing...

still think oath is town

still leaning town on guiltylion (and this game's p fucked if he's not given the ciphers here)

mafmen i would feel a lot better on if he just hammered wo apology bc even given that korina was town i still think it was a good hammer. the recoil kind of nixes that for me bc now i'm wondering if the knowledge that korina was town was what caused mafmen's freak-out

still scumreading oka's lamist posting

burning the rest of my reads list and resetting.

VOTE: oka

i always regret hammering early no matter the alignment of the person being hanged
i prefer discussion time over a hasty lynch as i said

[Antihero]

i mean sure call it LAMIST for me to want more discussion time, but i have still yet to see someone disprove the idea that more discussion time is good for town.

it's a newbish idea that should be outgrown as soon as you see a game where days linger past when ppl are ready for a flip and breed apathy

and you telling me "talk more" doesn't make me post more readable content. it's just more lamist posting.

[OkaPoka]

except we weren't ready for a flip?

otter is on vla
manatee didn't even weight in on korina
oath has made 10 posts this game, albeit decent posts

[Antihero]

and yes i can be appalled for a hammer, doesn't matter if mafmen apologized for it or not, a quickhammer is still a quickhammer and now all we have to do is believe his apology or not. i don't believe his apology, you can if you want.

masterfully missess the point

you put korina at L1. why do that for any other reason than wanting him dead? if you really wanted more discussion, why wouldn't you just.... you know.... NOT put korina at L1?