NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Andrius]

It is product of my role and night action.
My choice of Chickadee should be obvious.
tl;dr She's not 100% Confirmed (The only innocents are bodies) but I'd stake the game on her being town right now.

Me and HitAlt should also coordinate night actions to make sure we don't double up

because

we have different roles and can't overlap.
Both Fruit Vendors should do similar. And I don't mean CLAIMING TARGETS IN ADVANCE but somehow we should find a way to make sure both pairs don't overlap to maximize information from night actions.

pedit: Boooooring. Elbirn's done little, really. Flashwagon was complete garbage. xyzzy is eh for me. Honestly I'm already in the 'Playing the POE game' mindset so.

[Raskolnikov]

Again to reiterate, I think it's highly likely there are scum both in the claims and not in the claims, but given as some claims can potentially get sorted out in time or some PRs may sort themselves out (and e.g. that PR pool is likely where scum NK) I want to focus on the off group.

[brassherald]

I feel like my top scumspect right now is HWS. He's doing nothing to sell me as him being town.

In fact, I want to vote there and will right... NoVOTE: HeWhoSwimsw

[Raskolnikov]

pedit: Boooooring. Elbirn's done little, really. Flashwagon was complete garbage. xyzzy is eh for me. Honestly I'm already in the 'Playing the POE game' mindset so.

What do you suggest?

[Andrius]

I agree on the focus. But we do need to facilitate the existing claims to make sure they don't overlap.

I think its *possible* there are scum in the claims but I don't think lynching in the [Magna, Ausuka, HitAlt] bloc is a good idea.

If I'm reading this correctly, HitAlt confirmed that TW has attempted murder. TW claimed the kill on dramonic. HitAlt also claiming he was both protected and was SAVED from a kill last night?

[Raskolnikov]

Although that was previous to brassherald claiming BP and saying he was likely to have been shot n1 IIRC.

[brassherald]

He still thinks he was the night kill because he explicitly doesn't believe my claim.

I'm still pretty sure I was the NK.

[Andrius]

I'm not sure.
Part of me wants to lynch the likely SK (TW).
Part of me wonders if he's scum just claiming the scumkill as his personal kill to avoid the HitAlt fiasco. That's unlikely though as who would expect some Detective thing as scum.

I don't yet know how to sort out the fruit situation. Part of me believes there's no situation to sort out, besides the 'don't double-up' issue we want to prevent.

At least we know the fruit won't explode or anything since this is a normal game. lol

pedit: Oh. Right. So two kill attempts, one on BH (?) and the other killed dramonic which is claimed by TW without a CC. I HIGHLY DOUBT HitAlt was told someone tried to kill him and it failed

and he was told he was failed to be killed

since Pine's a :goodmod:. Which is why we need clarity.

[Andrius]

I'm also operating under the pretense that both Chickadee and HitAlt are confirmed town, btw.
So that does color my assessment.

[Raskolnikov]

No one has counterclaimed the dramonic kill so.
Also unfortunately I realised it is possible, if unlikely, that hitalt may actually be mafia trying to lynch who they think is SK (Idk).
Then again brassherald mostly hard fluff posted and people scumread him so it is a little odd he would be targeted in general IMO.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually, scratch that, hitalt-dramonic doesn't seem that plausible of an association.

[Andrius]

Also unfortunately I realised it is possible, if unlikely, that hitalt may actually be mafia trying to lynch who they think is SK (Idk).

While not impossible, I think its highly unlikely that mafia would try something so risky when they're down a member this early. Its not quite FALL ON SWORD levels of bad but the only reason mafia would have that role is to find a SK or town killing power with active abilities (read: not chickadee) which seems very unlike the narrative of this game since that would be a scumrole with no Reasonably Anticipated Doubt as to what their results mean. Its simple - either they find a serial killer or vig with a positive result or they don't.

pedit: Yeah, there's that, there's his personality, and there's the fact that I'm the Yin to his Yang in this game.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not sure.
Part of me wants to lynch the likely SK (TW).
Part of me wonders if he's scum just claiming the scumkill as his personal kill to avoid the HitAlt fiasco. That's unlikely though as who would expect some Detective thing as scum.

Yeah I don't think scum could (or ever would) kill one of their own members in dramonic.

[Taly]

Guys mentally prepare yourselves very soon

I'm up to 3 miniature wallposts out of analyzing an ISO group

but I'm finding A LOT of clarity in my reads.

And I'm not doing the quote-by-quote thing... I'm doing post-links for comprehension.

[Andrius]

No no no.
Not ACTUALLY KILL THEIR OWN.

I mean that they would pretend to be a vig and "claim" the kill on dramonic and basically pretend their factional kill is their vig kill. Obviously this doesn't work long-term but if they pretend kills fail here or there it might.

[brassherald]

I think the only reason for scum to kill scum is a situation like Red Flag.

[Andrius]

And I'm not doing the quote-by-quote thing... I'm doing post-links for comprehension.

I'd prefer the former ngl.
I won't do the click-links. lol

pedit: I DIDNT MEAN ACTUALLY KINSLAYING. I MEANT CLAIMING THE KILL TO PRETEND TO BE A VIG

[brassherald]

No no no.
Not ACTUALLY KILL THEIR OWN.

I mean that they would pretend to be a vig and "claim" the kill on dramonic and basically pretend their factional kill is their vig kill. Obviously this doesn't work long-term but if they pretend kills fail here or there it might.

The only use this would have is to draw out a CC on vig.

[Andrius]

I think the only reason for scum to kill scum is a situation like Red Flag.

Or for a ridiculous amount of town-cred that would carry them through the entire game. Who'd expect scum to kill their own on Day One?
>.<

[Andrius]

No no no.
Not ACTUALLY KILL THEIR OWN.

I mean that they would pretend to be a vig and "claim" the kill on dramonic and basically pretend their factional kill is their vig kill. Obviously this doesn't work long-term but if they pretend kills fail here or there it might.

The only use this would have is to draw out a CC on vig.

Yeah I'm not advocating for it I'm just clarifying that I didn't mean to imply that scum killed their own. My bad.

Let's drop this now we're going in circles.

[Taly]

And I'm not doing the quote-by-quote thing... I'm doing post-links for comprehension.

I'd prefer the former ngl.
I won't do the click-links. lol

pedit: I DIDNT MEAN ACTUALLY KINSLAYING. I MEANT CLAIMING THE KILL TO PRETEND TO BE A VIG

This better not be a reason to AVOID reading my posts

[Raskolnikov]

As an out of game aside Taly the longer you post the less impact it has, be concise direct and to the point. Unless you're dropping like an eddie cane monster case wall on one person.

[Andrius]

I'll read but if you expect me to open all the hyperlinks you've got another thing coming.
Quote walls are disgusting to the eye but at least you're not forcing people to open dozens of links. Its all right there in front of you.

Anywho you finish up I'll read it when its done.

[Taly]

As an out of game aside Taly the longer you post the less impact it has, be concise direct and to the point. Unless you're dropping like an eddie cane monster case wall on one person.

I mean, I kind of am.

I'm casing against 2 scumreads and justifying a townread all at once, outlining my thoughts in a chronological manner according to their posts.

I'm also pointing out things said and done in the posts, alongside giving some of my individual commentary.

[Taly]

And I know that long posts lose impact

That's why I'm posting more frequently with smaller posts now

But I can't overlook details that can be important