Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]

[implosion]

Okay, so.
Let me run it through you.

Basically.
This game has, confirmed, a Weak Doctor.
This game has, confirmed, a tracker.
This game has, basically-confirmed, a Cop-or-Vig.
This game has, basically-confirmed, the existence of a fourth hidden role. (Admittedly though the player isn't hiding their role nearly as well as I'd prefer but OH WELL.)

Everyone agrees that the scum must have a strong counter to this power.

I don't agree with this, because I don't know what the fourth role is. 2-shot weak doctor isn't especially strong. Tracker isn't especially strong. 1-shot delayed cop or vig isn't especially strong. I'm a lot less concerned with how much town power has been claimed given that my role is probably a dud.

Additionally, your argument falls flat because the only relevant power role I've been (at least in the past 4 years) is a roleblocker; if we lynch Kokichi, and kokichi flips scum, and someone turns up with a roleblocked claim tomorrow, that INSTANTLY hard-clears every living player who has never been a mafia roleblocker. It'd literally be suicide for me to roleblock one of them.

[implosion]

If you want me to I can look through the rest of the role PMs I've ever gotten to be sure.

[implosion]

So please explain to me, mastina, what magical dangerous scum PR I can possibly be.

[implosion]

Found a few more scumgames from 2011:

-Godfather
-A complicated thematic role that is basically more or less a godfather-rolecop (from advance wars mafia, but this is hardly a dangerous role and probably not something kmo would have picked because it has mechanics in it that were game-specific and wouldn't translate here)
-Rolecop (from a tit for tat game)
-A third-party role that would make literally no sense outside of its setup

[implosion]

(WHY THE FUCK WOULD A GODFATHER COMMIT THE NIGHTKILL)

Because he thought he'd be less likely to be tracked than his scumbuddy.

This answer works regardless of his role and regardless of his scumbuddy's role.

[implosion]

In fact, mastina.

If you're so convinced that the other scum must have an insanely strong PR, doesn't that disqualify me as scum based on the roles I've been? Unless you can find one I've missed, which is entirely possible. I guess it's probably a bit much to ask you to audit everything I'm saying as not just lies, but if I am lying then that's pretty damning of me if anyone does the work to check. I looked at all role PMs I've received since 2012 and egosearched all games I was in in completed game subforums from 2013 and earlier.

Actually found a couple more that I missed: another godfather game, and my role from Mafia behind the Maiden in which I was basically a doctor/silencer who couldn't perform the factional kill (so overall negative utility + another thing where I'd be giving myself away).

[KittyMo]

Vote Count 2.08

[5] Kokichi Oma ~ the worst, mutantdevle, Myloninja13, implosion, Awoo
[3] implosion ~ Pine, mastina, Kokichi Oma

[3] Not Voting ~ BulletNLynchproof, Errantparabola, Ms Marangal

With

11

alive, it's

6

to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2018-07-15 03:05:04)

[BNL]

*sigh*
I’m now undecided again. There is still a little time left to deadline and I hope I can make my decision my then.

This has got to be one of the most awkward Days in the existence of MafiaScum.

[Awoo]

VOTE: implosion

I like what mastina said about the track. But FFS please lynch.

Looking at you, nonvoters.

[BNL]

So I’m going to make a compilation of stuff:

Benefits to vigging Kokichi Oma:
Extra kill
I confirm myself as town

Benefits to lynching Kokichi Oma:
Scum is limited to one action per Night
The worst can confirm people as town/scum


Now I’m thinking that the extra kill is not as valuable as I thought it was, because I am skeptical of another protective/vig existing in the game, and because the vig brings us to evens it doesn’t actually increase the number of town aligned kills at all.

Based on this, I’m actually inclined to lynch Kokichi Oma here. Let me reread stuff and the arguments again

[BNL]

Actually the tracker point only works for the next Night, so the last points for each category are pretty much the same, but

I definitely see the the first point of each in favour of lynching

[BNL]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Sorry Mastina, I think your analysis is off

[Kokichi Oma]

(WHY THE FUCK WOULD A GODFATHER COMMIT THE NIGHTKILL)

Because he thought he'd be less likely to be tracked than his scumbuddy.

This answer works regardless of his role and regardless of his scumbuddy's role.

This is literally the worst logic I've seen in all my time of mafia. Even if I was a godfather. Why the hell would that change anything if I'm CONFIRMED TO DIE TONIGHT

[Kokichi Oma]

Ducky I like you, but you're playing idiotic right now. You know I'm bring shot tonight. I'm confirmed to not be a RB/JK anything of that nature. There is literally 0 downside of trying to lynch scum and I shoot last scum

[Kokichi Oma]

Being*

[implosion]

(WHY THE FUCK WOULD A GODFATHER COMMIT THE NIGHTKILL)

Because he thought he'd be less likely to be tracked than his scumbuddy.

This answer works regardless of his role and regardless of his scumbuddy's role.

This is literally the worst logic I've seen in all my time of mafia. Even if I was a godfather. Why the hell would that change anything if I'm CONFIRMED TO DIE TONIGHT

the thing you quoted has nothing to do with why I want to lynch you today.
This honestly looks like you’re willfully ignoring my posts.

[implosion]

And again roleblocker actually doesnt even qualify as a positive utility power role at this point due to the nature of this game and this player list.

[Awoo]

VOTE: kokichi oma

*strikes pose*

[mutantdevle]

I think Mastina was wrong about not lynching kokichi. What she said blatantly ignores how 1 scum left neutralises the scum PRs regardless (if they want to perform the night kill) and I don't understand why she would miss that. I might have to go to her house and talk to her about it over a cup of tea and a biscuit >:)

Sorry for wasting your ability BNL but I do think this was the right decision.

[Awoo]

No don't vig mastina

[mutantdevle]

The biscuits aren't poisoned and the tea is quite nice.

[Awoo]

Well now I'm jealous

[KittyMo]

Vote Count 2.09

[6] Kokichi Oma ~ the worst, mutantdevle, Myloninja13, implosion, BulletNLynchproof, Awoo
[3] implosion ~ Pine, mastina, Kokichi Oma

[2] Not Voting ~ Errantparabola, Ms Marangal

With

11

alive, it's

6

to lynch!

[KittyMo]

Kokichi Oma, Mafia Encryptor from Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals, was Lynched Day 2

It is now Night 2. Deadline is at (expired on 2018-07-15 16:00:00).

[KittyMo]

No one died on Night 2.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is at (expired on 2018-07-26 16:00:00).

[10] Not Voting ~ Awoo, BulletNLynchproof, Errantparabola, implosion, Kokichi Oma, mastina, mutantdevle, Ms Marangal, Myloninja13, Pine, the worst