Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

FA claims her picks D2. Done.

That solves #4 and #2 by itself, #3 is still better for town because then she's more accountable for it, and #1 is higher information.

She said no. Not like we can pressure her.

what?

This is a lie!!!?!!!!!

VOTE: Titus

[Human Sequencer]

The day ends in 2 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes.

uh guys

[Frozen Angel]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

How can you say that lie in game to dodge the push on you?!

[Frozen Angel]

She won't be leader day two.

But that leaves us where day 1?

Same predicament. I try to sort my theory. Get jumped. Try to create ideas that remove scum advantage. Get jumped. Like I get disagreeing with mh random theory and wanting to sort me but at least sort me and try to bring something better than out the PRs d2. It does nothing to solve d1.

Ok this is bullshit?

You did absolutely nothing today to sort me? why will be back where we are in day 1 tomorrow?!!

[Frozen Angel]

She won't be leader day two.

But that leaves us where day 1?

Same predicament. I try to sort my theory. Get jumped. Try to create ideas that remove scum advantage. Get jumped. Like I get disagreeing with mh random theory and wanting to sort me but at least sort me and try to bring something better than out the PRs d2. It does nothing to solve d1.

I don't understand what you're even trying to argue here

FA has no accountability D1. If I try to find who might be scum buddying FA, I get voted by all those who selected FA as leader. Thus negating my ability to find who it is. I get voted for being "incompetent" for trying to find a solution to scum possibily buddying FA.

The forcing FA to claim day 2 does nothing for Day 1. Scum already likely get their hooks in.

So what's your idea to stop FA from giving PRs to scum that are charismatic?

I think it's likely numbers because of the major pushback there.

UFO is just basically being UFO. Cerb was second place according to claimed votes, so he's probably buddied.

That leaves numbers.

you think 123456789 is manipulating me and is a charismatic scum here? or that I'm scum and that I will give them ability?

[Frozen Angel]

I think titus was trying all day to shade me without doing it - make sure scums are likely getting one ability out of night by randomizing it and to make me less accountable for the picks. This is not just moonlogic this is her lieing about what I clrealy said in thread and mixing stuff to make her point look better.

[Ankamius]

I am so glad someone else finally saw how scummy all that shit was

[Frozen Angel]

Titus: I might be misremembering, but I *think* FA just said she wasn't going to claim them today, and she didn't know what she would do tomorrow. I don't think she said she definitely wouldn't claim them tomorrow...she was just part of the conversation about the pro's and con's of it.

Valid point that pushing for the pure random thing is proscum, but it would be a prime example of classic Titus moonlogic for her to have reasoned that random is better than deliberate, if the person doing the picking is vulnerable to scum manipulation, without stopping and slapping herself because EVERYONE is subject to scum manipulation, so that means she's just arguing to always randomly select the person.

I'm also a little guilty of this, because I was focused purely on what might make it mathematically more likely that only town end up with abilities, and so expressed acceptance of there being possible value in a modified version of her suggestion.

I agree with substance but not sure why claiming PRs needs to be the accountability method but it may be the only one we have. I also may have misremembered but FA seemed to be against claiming it ever.

why you didn't look it up then?

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno

what does this even me?

[123456789]

1. In 1390,

@1-9 can you elaborate on these?

Drixx - Null
Frozen Angel - Town
NicoRobin - Null
zMuffinMan - Leaning Town
Cerberus v666 - Scum
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Nancy Drew 39 - Scum

Drixx is null because they haven't done much. Same thing for NicoRobin and Randomidget really. (Nico has a reputation for posting in bursts and lurking at other times. Drixx doesn't post often either, but they do post semi-regularly. I am not sure about Randomidget, so I lean scum there because lurking is slightly more likely to come from scum than town, especially since it likes they are kinda actively lurking.)

Frozen Angel is town based on early game interactions and all. I also highly doubt that scum piled up their votes on Frozen Angel, so I think Frozen was chosen by town-motivated voters.

Muffin I keep going back and forth on, but as I mentioned earlier, Muffin's meta check on me registers as something town would do. In particular, scum would be more inclined just to keep on pushing the lynch without conducting research or employing the argument that "meta is useless because it is easily manipulated" which really isn't true if you know what you are looking for with meta.
Cerberus is scum for a couple of reasons. For instance, I don't really like 1062 because it is basically Cerb shutting down any other potential wagons... It's not like we were *that* close to deadline at the time. 1045 is bad because it seems most (if not all) of Cerb's reads come down to policy-related reasons versus actual content. Eh, let's most (if not all) of Cerb's scumreads. Another issue with the post is that it suggests that Cerb isn't really paying attention to the game as they should if they were town. (This is given their level of activity throughout the game; based on that, they should have quite a few solid reads, but the post gives the impression that they do not.) 942 is another example of this kind of theme in Cerb's posts: pushing reads for mostly policy or "OMGUS" reasons versus based on scum motivations. There was some other, early-game stuff as well.

Nancy is scum primarily based on gut-related reasons. Still, some things that stick out include 256 (not really a good suggestion) and 501 (being contrary just for the sake of it). 552 also feels off as well, but this is not easily explained. 558 is basically Nancy running with something Titus says. (Which to be clear, I don't get that impression from Nancy's posts.) 728 is more information than analysis. Simply stating "odd" isn't really much in terms of analysis; it looks more like scum trying to look like they're doing constructive stuff when they aren't.

2. In 1391:

I like how numbers thinks that my two strongest scumreads are my scumpartners

What makes you think my reads have anything to do with associatives? The reads are more or less independent of one another. See, it's stuff like this that cause me to scumread your slot.

3. In 1395:

But his reads are pretty blatantly not good reads when you compare them to the game as a whole

1) Having reads different from everyone else has been a scumread since when?
2) Having reads different from everyone else makes then bad reads since when?

4. In 1397:

What do you think about him being willing to lynch the person who is scumreading nancy the hardest before nancy

I would like to note that my lynchpool wasn't really ordered. I mean, I'm voting Titus right now, so one could say I want them lynched before the other two, but Titus hasn't really been aggressively scumreading Nancy as far as I remember.

5. In 1478:

why?

(In response to 902): Primarily gut-related reasons. I feel it would've been written differently if it came from scum.

Why was it a bad post?

(In response to 924): It's bad because the reads seem to be almost 100% effort-based.

6. 1497 by Frozen is a stellar town post. 1529 is also a really good post.

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno

what does this even me?

mean*

[Cerberus v666]

I'm impressed by ASDPI's ability to say my reads are based on certain things when I haven't actually posted reads.

*shrug*

Also, if you check the signup thread you should note that I did say I would be putting forth 1% effort.

That means 1% of my normal D1 solving, which is 1% of basically nothing, so also *shrug*! For example, I didn't even bother following those links to read the posts you were citing as scummy.

I do appreciate your attempt to actually find reasons for scumreading me though, that's always nice.

[Ankamius]

2. In 1391:

I like how numbers thinks that my two strongest scumreads are my scumpartners

What makes you think my reads have anything to do with associatives? The reads are more or less independent of one another. See, it's stuff like this that cause me to scumread your slot.

3. In 1395:

But his reads are pretty blatantly not good reads when you compare them to the game as a whole

1) Having reads different from everyone else has been a scumread since when?
2) Having reads different from everyone else makes then bad reads since when?

4. In 1397:

What do you think about him being willing to lynch the person who is scumreading nancy the hardest before nancy

I would like to note that my lynchpool wasn't really ordered. I mean, I'm voting Titus right now, so one could say I want them lynched before the other two, but Titus hasn't really been aggressively scumreading Nancy as far as I remember.

2. You have five confident scumreads if your reads list is any indication. The fact that this list doesn't make any sense as a scumteam together is a strong indicator that you're falsely scumreading at least one person. (I'll give you a hint: Cerb, HS, and myself)

3. This is not a response. I'm referring to the fact that if you look at the game with the 5-man scumteam you're suggesting, it makes no sense at all. That means your reads are not correct.

4. The fact that you stated you have me in your lynchpool alongside Nancy is enough. It doesn't matter which of the three you want first, you're willing to lynch

all

of us.

[Frozen Angel]

gonna sleep see u guys tomorrow

[The Dream Weaver]

Drixx has been prodded.

[hebichan]

I guess I need to get off my vanity wagon.

I don't like the one reads list Nancy posted, or how she's been following titus.

However, Titus seems like the more viable wagon this late in the day.

VOTE: Titus

[The Dream Weaver]

Votecount 1.15

Leader: Frozen Angel

123456789 (7):

zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5):

123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2):

Toranaga, the worst

zMuffinMan (2):

BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Ankamius (0):

BBmolla (0):

Cerberus v666 (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

Nosferatu (0):

randomidget (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (7):

Cerberus v666, Drixx, Kokichi Oma, Myloninja13, Nico Robin, randomidget, Shiro

With

23

players, it takes

12

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

Nancy Drew 39 is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-14 00:00:00)
Titus is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-16 00:00:00)

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[Ankamius]

There are way too many voices for me to really sort properly. But I think Ank is my biggest town read atm. So I'm gonna sheep it till I feel like I have a better feel here.

VOTE: nancy drew

btw hebi can you go into your read here at this point

[hebichan]

I literally just did in the last post?

"I don't like the one reads list Nancy posted, or how she's been following titus."

I guess I can go find the post I didn't like.

[hebichan]

Sando puts more effort into their posts than anyone else in the game - probably town

I like how UFO is pushing people hard.

Brass is definitely different here than he was in Necro - a lot more content. I like his thought processes.

FA seems to have good tone.

I’m really liking Titus - plenty of nuanced reads, good interactions, plus is adorable.

Human seems okay so far, I will need to see more from him

Gamma seems okay, some posts seem to be a bit contradictory but tone seems villagery.

Random needs to start posting more. Seems like disinterested villa

Need more on Katsuki, Kokichi and Chick

Numbers - troll lol. Are they scum or just obvious mislynchbait?

This one, I dunno.

There's just a lot there with not much substance, and she knocks off numbes as a "troll".

A lot of talk about "tone".

[Ankamius]

Oh sorry I wasn't clear

I meant the one on me

[hebichan]

oh, idk, at the time I just liked how you were pushing things.

[the worst]

1-9 -- why the different style of read list?

[Myloninja13]

AHHHH I keep putting off this game lol.

[Cerberus v666]

vc goes here, updated after work

I predict that this will be the most valuable VC of this entire game.