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[zMuffinMan]

stop quoting giant posts and writing a single line in response

i don't even think you really understand what the worst meant when he talked about whether or not there was a better vote so your question seems pointless to me. or i don't understand what you think was town about it if you actually do understand what he meant

[Ankamius]

Muffin go into why you don't agree with me about Nancy

[zMuffinMan]

i would rather not since i don't particularly like being put in a position to defend someone i'm not strongly town reading

i'm looking past the things i would normally scum-read a player for because they don't apply to nancy. i found that out last game. instead i'm taking a different approach to reading her and that read isn't solidified yet

i don't think her 'tone being subdued' is important (and i'm not sure i even agree with that statement). at least not right now. i think she's said some things that seemed townish to me but i'm too tired atm to bother going back through whatever notes i took on that. she's far from being a solid town read though. just don't agree she looks like scum

[Nancy Drew 39]

stop quoting giant posts and writing a single line in response

i don't even think you really understand what the worst meant when he talked about whether or not there was a better vote so your question seems pointless to me. or i don't understand what you think was town about it if you actually do understand what he meant

You were the lead wagon at the time and he did not seem to think my jumping on it was a good idea. What am I missing here?

[Ankamius]

Muffin

It isn't strong by itself yes

But combined with everything else, it's huge. Especially for Nancy

[Ankamius]

I'm going to go with the Gorkington tell here; he obvtowns immediately as town every time and doesn't as scum.

Nancy is looking to be the same, and both players are the type well within the subset of styles I can easily read.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Muffin go into why you don't agree with me about Nancy

But you refuse to case anyone but me . . .

I don’t think it likely you and numbers can be w/w since it doesn’t seem like bussing but mainly because I townleaned brass. If you hadn’t subbed in for brass I’d be far less likely to cut you slack for your complete lack of interest in resolving my slot.

[zMuffinMan]

yeah, well, i mean... it's not like she's a strong town read of mine, i just am not convinced that not looking obvtown is concrete (i disagree she even looked obvtown early on in that other game but whatever). maybe after sleep i'll read back over nancy and tell you what i think but atm i'm fine with numbers dude and titus being competing wagons for today

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to go with the Gorkington tell here; he obvtowns immediately as town every time and doesn't as scum.

Nancy is looking to be the same, and both players are the type well within the subset of styles I can easily read.

No, you are very wrong here and if you’re town here, that is really disheartening that you don’t even care enough to weigh the evidence clearly debunking this. Please explain to me why I had a wagon on me every night in Throne of Lies or how I managed to get horribly mislynched in mid-June Light game? You’re basing your theory solely on MS games which back up your hypothesis but suspiciously ignoring the MU games which totally contradict it. Why is that?

[zMuffinMan]

one last thing of interest before i sleep for anyone who finds this sort of thing interesting (i do):

numbers dude has 5 full-on "scum" reads
numbers dude has 5 full-on "town" reads
the rest are varying degrees of lean or null

this is a 18:5 game and it should be far easier to get town reads than scum reads here

not a slam dunk "only scum would do this" thing or anything... just something that i found interesting when i saw his reads list

[Katsuki]

[Drixx]

The thing with the reads from numbers... that's not so hot looking.

[Sakura Hana]

@muffin: When i was going through your reads list I saw you had a question about Titus. Now my last experience with scum Titus was a game a long time ago called Street Fighter Mafia (played as Luna Fox on that one from the middle of D2), up until THAT game most people were very confident that Titus never buses, however in that game Titus bused a partner on D2, she ended up going down that game and the player she bused (Varsoon), didnt get lynched until later and I was almost certain he was town just coz of Titus flipping scum.

The circumstances may have been different however you can check it out here

[Nancy Drew 39]

1. In 1390,

@1-9 can you elaborate on these?

Drixx - Null
Frozen Angel - Town
NicoRobin - Null
zMuffinMan - Leaning Town
Cerberus v666 - Scum
Randomidget - Null leaning scum
Nancy Drew 39 - Scum

Spoiler:

Drixx is null because they haven't done much. Same thing for NicoRobin and Randomidget really. (Nico has a reputation for posting in bursts and lurking at other times. Drixx doesn't post often either, but they do post semi-regularly. I am not sure about Randomidget, so I lean scum there because lurking is slightly more likely to come from scum than town, especially since it likes they are kinda actively lurking.)

Frozen Angel is town based on early game interactions and all. I also highly doubt that scum piled up their votes on Frozen Angel, so I think Frozen was chosen by town-motivated voters.

Muffin I keep going back and forth on, but as I mentioned earlier, Muffin's meta check on me registers as something town would do. In particular, scum would be more inclined just to keep on pushing the lynch without conducting research or employing the argument that "meta is useless because it is easily manipulated" which really isn't true if you know what you are looking for with meta.
Cerberus is scum for a couple of reasons. For instance, I don't really like 1062 because it is basically Cerb shutting down any other potential wagons... It's not like we were *that* close to deadline at the time. 1045 is bad because it seems most (if not all) of Cerb's reads come down to policy-related reasons versus actual content. Eh, let's most (if not all) of Cerb's scumreads. Another issue with the post is that it suggests that Cerb isn't really paying attention to the game as they should if they were town. (This is given their level of activity throughout the game; based on that, they should have quite a few solid reads, but the post gives the impression that they do not.) 942 is another example of this kind of theme in Cerb's posts: pushing reads for mostly policy or "OMGUS" reasons versus based on scum motivations. There was some other, early-game stuff as well.

Nancy is scum primarily based on gut-related reasons. Still, some things that stick out include 256 (not really a good suggestion) and 501 (being contrary just for the sake of it). 552 also feels off as well, but this is not easily explained. 558 is basically Nancy running with something Titus says. (Which to be clear, I don't get that impression from Nancy's posts.) 728 is more information than analysis. Simply stating "odd" isn't really much in terms of analysis; it looks more like scum trying to look like they're doing constructive stuff when they aren't.

2. In 1391:

I like how numbers thinks that my two strongest scumreads are my scumpartners

What makes you think my reads have anything to do with associatives? The reads are more or less independent of one another. See, it's stuff like this that cause me to scumread your slot.

3. In 1395:

But his reads are pretty blatantly not good reads when you compare them to the game as a whole

1) Having reads different from everyone else has been a scumread since when?
2) Having reads different from everyone else makes then bad reads since when?

4. In 1397:

What do you think about him being willing to lynch the person who is scumreading nancy the hardest before nancy

I would like to note that my lynchpool wasn't really ordered. I mean, I'm voting Titus right now, so one could say I want them lynched before the other two, but Titus hasn't really been aggressively scumreading Nancy as far as I remember.

Spoiler:

5. In 1478:

why?

(In response to 902): Primarily gut-related reasons. I feel it would've been written differently if it came from scum.

Why was it a bad post?

(In response to 924): It's bad because the reads seem to be almost 100% effort-based.

6. 1497 by Frozen is a stellar town post. 1529 is also a really good post.

Both are “confidently” scumreading me and neither one GAF about sorting me. Maybe I should reconsider my not bussing theory?

But I still feel pretty good about my brass read. Replacements totally fuck with the game. *headbang*

[Nancy Drew 39]

@muffin: When i was going through your reads list I saw you had a question about Titus. Now my last experience with scum Titus was a game a long time ago called Street Fighter Mafia (played as Luna Fox on that one from the middle of D2), up until THAT game most people were very confident that Titus never buses, however in that game Titus bused a partner on D2, she ended up going down that game and the player she bused (Varsoon), didnt get lynched until later and I was almost certain he was town just coz of Titus flipping scum.

The circumstances may have been different however you can check it out here

Not sure what this has to do with bussing but I’d totally lynch her for all of the terribad memes.

[123456789]

1-9 -- why the different style of read list?

Because I was being really lazy.

[123456789]

one last thing of interest before i sleep for anyone who finds this sort of thing interesting (i do):

numbers dude has 5 full-on "scum" reads
numbers dude has 5 full-on "town" reads
the rest are varying degrees of lean or null

this is a 18:5 game and it should be far easier to get town reads than scum reads here

not a slam dunk "only scum would do this" thing or anything... just something that i found interesting when i saw his reads list

Bruh! Do you really expect me to have a dozen *confident* townreads at this point? Also, I have 6, Not 5 *confident* townreads. Just because a read is a lean doesn’t mean it’s not a valid read; it simply indicates that my read there is less confident than my full on townreads. If anything, you should know that I tend to be conservative in giving out full-on reads, so this observation is completely baseless.

[Sakura Hana]

Not sure what this has to do with bussing but I’d totally lynch her for all of the terribad memes.

Mostly D2 stuff iirc, at least that's when i replaced in.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait nancy, did you just break the page

[Gamma Emerald]

I think titus was trying all day to shade me without doing it - make sure scums are likely getting one ability out of night by randomizing it and to make me less accountable for the picks. This is not just moonlogic this is her lieing about what I clrealy said in thread and mixing stuff to make her point look better.

I am so glad someone else finally saw how scummy all that shit was

oh are we lynching Titus now
VOTE: Titus

[Human Sequencer]

lol nancy broke mafias cum

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Oh I thought I voted numbers lol

[Human Sequencer]

i'm buddy with muffin cuz muffin is cool
and he bodied last game
every now and then i see another player who makes me wanna play mafia more again
yeah i'm a creep i know this already

Okay so who wants to make me leader tomorrow? Show of hands?

maybe if u did fucking anything at all

[Gamma Emerald]

TWTBAW

top 10 horrible fucking acronyms

Nancy is a MU player, be nice

[Gamma Emerald]

@muffin: When i was going through your reads list I saw you had a question about Titus. Now my last experience with scum Titus was a game a long time ago called Street Fighter Mafia (played as Luna Fox on that one from the middle of D2), up until THAT game most people were very confident that Titus never buses, however in that game Titus bused a partner on D2, she ended up going down that game and the player she bused (Varsoon), didnt get lynched until later and I was almost certain he was town just coz of Titus flipping scum.

The circumstances may have been different however you can check it out here

Not sure what this has to do with bussing but I’d totally lynch her for all of the terribad memes.

btw yeah the "Titus never buses" meta is kinda a lie
I have a couple more modern examples of how it's wrong