OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[the worst]

VOTE COUNT 1.10

Sando (0)

~

skitter30 (0)

~

AP (0)

~

brassherald (1)

~ BuJaber,

BuJaber (1)

~ Enigma,

Ausuka (0)

~

Skygazer (0)

~

vulcan logician (1)

~ Sando,

ceejayvinoya (0)

~

ruru (0)

~

ofrhz (0)

~

Invisibility (2)

~ brassherald, OkaPoka,

OkaPoka (2)

~ AP, Invisibility,

Enigma (6)

~ Ausuka, Skygazer, ruru, ofrhz, skitter30, ceejayvinoya,

NOT VOTING:

vulcan logician,

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2018-07-25 18:30:00)

mod notes:

- no change i just love pagetops
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[AP]

I don't think Engima was scumreading BuJaber

Explain 39 in light of Oka's statement. Also, why don't we ask Enigma himself rather than declare reads on his behalf?

sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.

So he does SR BuJaber. Or are his probability calculations indicative of intent to propose for marriage? And how can a vote based on the

probability of being scum

be considered a RANDOM vote?

Oh come on. You just mentioned why do we ask me, then you go on to make a conclusion of my scum read....

It was a semi-RVS vote for picking the same number as me, I would have done it regardless of what had happened before I posted. The probability stuff is true. Go read game theory and cooperative/non-cooperative game play.

So, it was a semi-RVS and not a SR, yet your vote is

still

on BuJaber because?

Hint: You better amuse me, cuz I actually typed the vote then decided not to put you @L-1 now

[Enigma]

I don't think Engima was scumreading BuJaber

Explain 39 in light of Oka's statement. Also, why don't we ask Enigma himself rather than declare reads on his behalf?

sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.

So he does SR BuJaber. Or are his probability calculations indicative of intent to propose for marriage? And how can a vote based on the

probability of being scum

be considered a RANDOM vote?

Oh come on. You just mentioned why do we ask me, then you go on to make a conclusion of my scum read....

It was a semi-RVS vote for picking the same number as me, I would have done it regardless of what had happened before I posted. The probability stuff is true. Go read game theory and cooperative/non-cooperative game play.

So, it was a semi-RVS and not a SR, yet your vote is

still

on BuJaber because?

Hint: You better amuse me, cuz I actually typed the vote then decided not to put you @L-1 now

his statistics based scumhunting makes v little sense tho and resulted in an opportunistic vote on a wagon and even tho he's making an effort to look like he's scumhunting since then he hasn't taken his vote off the wagon

There was no wagon and it was page 1. It makes very little sense cause you don't understand and then stubbornly sit there beating the same (first) post over and over again. Here, go enlighten yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory

Don't need to take my vote off, it's not doing anything bad where it is right now, don't like the Oka wagon, and spending more effort defending myself than scumhunting.

[OkaPoka]

enigma lets say you are town,

who scum?

[ruru]

If L1 is a possibility maybe we should talk about claims since they're weird in this setup

I'm currently thinking:
- Don't cc fakeclaims in general, I think there are a lot of cases where we decide to lynch a claim regardless of whether it's true or not
- When claiming vt, only say what you tried to pick if it actually benefits town

Thoughts?

[OkaPoka]

wouldn't saying what you picked always benefit town?

[ruru]

Not if it outs the cop or something, no

[OkaPoka]

but enigma picked late enough in which it wouldnt out anything right?

[ruru]

*shrug*

I'm speaking in general

[OkaPoka]

also i think cc'ing fakeclaims should happen if the wagon dissipates

or just lolhammer if you aren't on the wagon and you see a fakeclaim

[ruru]

Also speaking of roles and things it's time for an annoying post that probably should have been made in my last game

1. Please read this if you haven't

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... (by-Yates)

2. We're doing it starting tomorrow

And I'm policy lynching you if you don't, even if you're an international man of mystery

3. We're doing it right

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

DO NOT TRY TO LYNCH YOUR HYPO-INNO

4. Claim roleblocked if you were roleblocked or suspect you were roleblocked (maybe)?

I'm not really sure on this but I think there are enough roles that have an observable result (and enough information on who's likely vanilla) that I suspect it's better to claim roleblocked than to have potentially fake clears. Naturally everyone has to do this otherwise scum could clear someone as not-cop by roleblocking them.

Ok, the end, sorry

[AP]

And I'm policy lynching you if you don't,

even if you're an international man of mystery

Oh, behave!

[ruru]

[OkaPoka]

what if you hypo inno'd someone and then you end up scumreading them later?

[OkaPoka]

Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO (active)
Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector
1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
Doctor OR Roleblocker
Universal Backup OR Role Cop
Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
Jailkeeper OR Tracker

also about the whole rb thing:
n3 vigi/vengeful wouldn't know about rb tmr
if ruru is honest about being pgo no vigi so don't no about rb
COP WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE RB, not redirector i believe
commuter happens before rb usually, WATCHER WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE SUCCESFUL IT APPEARS
doctor no, roleblocker no
universal backup no, ROLECOP YES
neighborizer maybe? fruit vendor no
jk no, tracker yes

i think claiming you were rb'd in this plan would basically be a big sign saying HEY SCUM IM AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE, SHOOT ME

[ruru]

I think like 90% of the time it can wait until massclaim and maybe 10% of the time actually do it? If you hypo-inno scum you're not getting shot anyway, and in my experience so far people are on the opposite side of bad decisions

About roleblocks, hmm

Doc/jk would sometimes know

And like I think watcher getting shot for example is a good thing, VT who suspect scum may have targetted them can also sometimes claim roleblocked to mess with scum, etc.

I'm honestly not sure how to weigh that against the risk of fake innos

[OkaPoka]

ehh let's not get into gambit territory with fakeclaiming roleblocks because that just opens the door for policy lynches

[ruru]

VT who suspect scum may have targetted them can also sometimes claim roleblocked to mess with scum, etc.

Also if the cop's target got shot, cop can claim roleblocked (or if you hate fakeclaims for the sake of fakeclaims we could hypoclaim of the form "If I'm cop, I either investigated the dead player or I was roleblocked last night" which is basically the same thing)

Like there's a difference between hypoclaiming roleblocked and claiming you were roleblocked on X night when you're at L-1

[ofrhz]

I don't like the Enigma wagon, Enigma's ISO has some good questions, and good thoughts. That's a town ISO as far as I can tell.

Could you point out these good questions and thoughts?

[ofrhz]

because engima's reason for scumhunting seem to be town aligned, albeit disagreable. i can see the town motivation of trying to bring statistics into the game and trying to scumhunt using theory.

invis might as well post fluff as his reason to lynch ppl

in invisibility's past town games, his ISO is always fluffy. I don't think this is AI for him

[OkaPoka]

then what is AI for him?

[ofrhz]

the impression i got from reading his scumgame in Coalition was that he was less flippant and more cooperative there. so for example, i think 253 is more likely to come from town than scum invis

basically, if you're expecting paragraphs or even sentences of analysis from invis, i highly doubt you'll get that from him from either alignment.

[ofrhz]

what if you hypo inno'd someone and then you end up scumreading them later?

yeah i can tell you from experience that this kind of sucks. you can still push your other scumreads though

[OkaPoka]

the impression i got from reading his scumgame in Coalition was that he was less flippant and more cooperative there. so for example, i think 253 is more likely to come from town than scum invis

basically, if you're expecting paragraphs or even sentences of analysis from invis, i highly doubt you'll get that from him from either alignment.

meh sorry but this doesn't help me sort him so I'm sticking to invis=scum

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