OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[BuJaber]

Sky - maybe maybe not
Ruru - possible but quite impressive if scum. She's actually participating effectively. Actually the most impressive is how nobody wanted to PL her. These people are very good friends to the point that it's affecting their game. I'm basing this on the fact they were against the PL before ruru started posting actual content. You can't townread anyone based on random stuff, song lyrics, and a pgo claim. I don't care who you are you just can't.

Ofrhz - ehh, hard to read. Seems townie. Comfortable enough to be herself.

Skitter - if she can play scum like this kudos to her.

Overall not the best scum pool especially if you mean all 3 are in here.

[BuJaber]

Sky - maybe maybe not
Ruru - possible but quite impressive if scum. She's actually participating effectively. Actually the most impressive is how nobody wanted to PL her. These people are very good friends to the point that it's affecting their game. I'm basing this on the fact they were against the PL before ruru started posting actual content. You can't townread anyone based on random stuff, song lyrics, and a pgo claim. I don't care who you are you just can't.

Ofrhz - ehh, hard to read. Seems townie. Comfortable enough to be herself.

Skitter - if she can play scum like this kudos to her.

Overall not the best scum pool especially if you mean all 3 are in here.

Sorry duckie duck. You can hijack my post for your VC.

[OkaPoka]

the circumstances of the quick wagon lead me to believe it was foul play, though im really banking on enigma flipping town here

someone in there has to be scum, no way a weak ass wagon grows that quickly with naked votes and weak cases that early on purely from town

[BuJaber]

So 1 scum in {...}

It's a very different statement to scum are in {...}

[Skygazer]

@Oka: Enigma has no guns to stick to. He hasn't listed any solid reasoning against BuJaber or even discussed other's points against BuJaber. He's gone out of his way to paint his vote as "semi-rvs." There's nothing for him to double down on.

[OkaPoka]

1 or 2 imo

it's a start but i think poe can solve the rest

@skygazer the doubling down is his continued insistence on leaving his vote on bujaber

[Skygazer]

Yes but it makes no sense. He hasn't even addressed BuJaber since his first vote.

[OkaPoka]

it doesn't make since but often times doubling down doesn't make logical sense im just trying to figure out who is the scum here

[ruru]

@ruru - in the link you posted they talked about "hypo-cop'ing" but not "hypo-inno". Could you explain what it means?

So hypo-copping would be the act of providing a hypothetical innocent peek (the hypo-inno)

If you try to lynch the person you have a hypo-inno on, start interrogating them, or otherwise act like you're not a cop with an innocent, then scum know you're not cop

[ruru]

enigma is town because how the wagon formed is scummy as hell

What makes you think it's not svs?

[OkaPoka]

enigma is town because how the wagon formed is scummy as hell

What makes you think it's not svs?

i didnt actually consider this

huh brb

[BuJaber]

Like if it is a scum-manufactured wagon then they definitely got a few townies to vote there too. They aren't going to all vote there hoping it gets hammered.

Pedit - to be fair it's a pretty useless thing to double down on.
You double down on something as town because you think you're right and you think it's worth doubling down on.
He's doubling down on a vote because he doesn't want to vote Oka and his vote "is not doing anything bad".
Also RVS wagons absolutely matter. Don't know why he thinks they don't.

Pedit 2- oh .. lol should have inferred that. Thanks for explaining. I get the advise as it related to cop claim(s). But not sure if it actually applies to any other claim. Like a cc of another claim is likely something we would need to act upon. We can discuss if it comes up as then we would have actual context.

[OkaPoka]

scum vs scum is a possibility but unlikely

it was unlikely enigma would be lynched at that time with bujaber and my lynch stock rising so i dont see why scum would redirect

[OkaPoka]

honestly orfhz might be the scum on the wagon

[BuJaber]

When y'all are saying SvS you mean scum is on the enigma wagon and enigma is scum?

Or is there a specific 1v1 I missed?

[OkaPoka]

svs is engima scum and enigma wagon is also scum

[Sando]

svs is engima scum and enigma wagon is also scum

What changed between 392 and now?

[OkaPoka]

svs is engima scum and enigma wagon is also scum

What changed between 392 and now?

huh?

[Sando]

392 = Enigman is town because the wagon is scummy AF
410, 412 and 415 you're saying that you hadn't considered that scum could be on a wagon on scum...

No new information has been revealed, and it's not like bussing is a particularly new concept.

[OkaPoka]

my 412 should answer your question, no?

[Sando]

my 412 should answer your question, no?

At a minimum you went from a very definitive with no room for movement to a "maybe" based on no new information.

[OkaPoka]

Ruru asked me to consider a possibility so I did?

[Sando]

and it's not like bussing is a particularly new concept.

[skitter30]

pretty sure ausuka is in this game more than invis is, brass.

Invisibility is in this game?

VOTE: Invisibility

I'd rather have the pressure vote on someone I forgot was in the game than Ausuka who I at least remembered.

i mean, a pressure vote is kinda useless if you announce that it's a pressure vote.

what do you think about his reaction?

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not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

really? i kinda got the vibe that he couldn't be bothered to make up a reason and that he hopped on cuz other people are doing it.

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Ehhh Ausuka needs to post more but I'm not seeing her vote in that bad of a light tbh, it comes directly after 39 which was super scummy

pedit oh there you are

i wasn't calling it a bad vote so much as noting that i liked the other votes better and that i didn't remember why she voted offhand; i didn't really have an opinion on it either way but liked the other ones

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this seems town.

why? i don't like that they apologize for being absent, promise more content, and fail to deliver; feels kinda active-lurk-y to me tbh

also i don't like the cj read; i feel like he's trying to tone down the strength of the read or like give himself a reason to scumread him later

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@Skitter - the above posts give me the impression he's debating whether or not we should pl.
And I'm getting suspicious of it because generally I see that people are either for or against pl's as a concept. If you start talking meta and analyzing posts and all that then it ceases to be a PL... then it's just a regular TR or SR.

oh, i figured he'd come to a conclusion that he wanted a pl (or at least, was trying to gauge if people were susceptible to that idea) with

TLDR: PL ruru doesn't seem like a bad idea.

and i don't really like that because i feel like he's trying to cast her actions as scummy (or at least, ill-considered). like i feel like he's looking to shade her and call her behavior anti-town at-best and using that as a reason to pl her.

@ruru - individually I SR sando for

I'm off to bed, but yeah your reads on what I would/wouldn't do as scum are spot on, so I'll read through the rest of your stuff there in the morning, seems worthwhile.

Feels like a way to make brass stop looking into him too closely.

But I also have a gut meta scumread on brass. But since this would be weak af way to distance I don't think they can both be scum. Also because my reasoning for sando sr doesn't work if brass is scum.

i think that post was just saying he wanted to go to bed; i don't think that's AI. in fact, i feel like if he was trying to avoid brass he could have just like ... not commented on his read of him, or not acknowledge that brass was right. also, he followed up on brass's post in his next one; it's not like he didn't acknowledge it or talk about it or anything. also brass was saying he felt like sando *wouldn't* have doubled up as scum (and sando *did* double up in the draft here) so i'm not sure what you think sando doesn't want him looking at exactly

i don't really think this is a good reason to scumread him and i feel like the reasoning is kinda weak and ignores context

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id hope that people would talk more when they are mentioned

also i don't see how this has anything to do with scumhunting

I'm scumhunting, I'm just not confident enough in any of my reads to make cases.

Plus, I find its very hard to form a read on someone if they are not participating in the game.

That's just me, though, I might be crazy to want to base my reads on like content.

if enigma is scum with brass, vizzy and ausuka aren't btw

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I don't think that's AI for invis and like my actual reason for putting invis in my lynchpool is at least 50% tone lol

i don't really know his playstyle and i don't really do the tone thing - what i don't like is that i felt like he was bandwagoning onto oka's wagon

@ap - what do you think of vizzy's oka vote?

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Idk what to do with invis. I'll just call him null. Oh well. Back here I guess

VOTE: Enigma

Pedit naa naa naaa i dont hear youuu

townpings from this

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Skitter seems like solid town. She's working really hard for town cred if she's scum and I think the way she approaches the game is difficult to fake.

Fixed it for you

tyty

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Vulcan and ausuka aren't contributing much,

they don't seem to want to make waves so to speak.

They could be scum.

why do you feel this way?

noting for when i inevitably re-read my iso at some point

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Why is sando on your scum pool tho

If brass is town he's scum. I felt that he agreed with his meta analysis so that he wouldn't analyze him further.
If brass is scum I think Sando is town though. Kind of too obvious buddying there.
And sando picked a low number (4).
I think scum don't want to lose their shot at getting a PR and they would have tried (at least one of them would have) to pick one of the low numbers.

i don't really agree with your brass-sando thing as explained above

also i think everyone wants a pr so i don't think picking a low number is inherently ai - like yes there's prob scum in the low numbers but like i don't think that's a reason to scumread someone in particular; i can easily apply that reasoning to {ausuka, brass, you, enigma, cj, sando, ofrhz}, which is literally half the game. i wouldn't really use that as a reaosn to scumread anyone in that group

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Spoiler:

Don't need to take my vote off, it's not doing anything bad where it is right now, don't like the Oka wagon,

and spending more effort defending myself than scumhunting.

Oh yeah and I'm also skeptical of people already trying to counterwagon enigma when I'm like still questioning him and he's close to getting prodded

Soz real life, it was one day ... and if I were to flip (town) what would you say about the counter wagon then?

Also, its 14 game days. I disappear for one night (which I will do whenever I want to), IMO it's perfectly fine and even beneficial for people to keep playing the game and not just tunnelling and waiting for my availability.

I feel like the "semi-RVS" vote is kind of a scumtell

and like simultaneously defending it as rational but also writing it off as not scum-indicative because it was RVS

As you wish, not sure any further explanation will convince a few people on the wagon otherwise.

There is rationality behind it as I explained, and it's not a scum indicative. It's the first post, and I'm also not sure what scum would achieve by jumping on the wagon .... were we going to quick lynch??

meh reaction to the wagon

ok i'll bite - why are you linking game-theory wrt your rvs vote?
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If L1 is a possibility maybe we should talk about claims since they're weird in this setup

I'm currently thinking:
- Don't cc fakeclaims in general, I think there are a lot of cases where we decide to lynch a claim regardless of whether it's true or not
- When claiming vt, only say what you tried to pick if it actually benefits town

Thoughts?

i feel like both of these things are too context-dependant to be able to make a general rule

like if you're a vig and someone fake-claims that you just shoot them. if you're a cop outing might be a bad idea. if you're like a neighborizer and you know that they're lying claiming might be a good idea in that instance

hypo-innos are a good idea

idk about claiming rb'd - if there's a scum rb and they know they didn't rb you they now know you aren't the cop, and if they did rb and you post a hypoinno they also know you aren't a cop. i think it makes things even more confusing than they have to be.

but then i suppose if someone was actually the cop and posted a hypo-inno but were actually rb'd they'll give people a false-clear when/if they flip. and if you are actually that role and you announce that were rb'd you're kinda telling scum that you're yes in fact a rb'able role if the rb is scum

basically not sure, need to think about the rb'ing thing a bit more

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ok this is getting long and sleep is nice, i'll pick up here tomorrow

[the worst]

quack