OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[Sando]

Lol ok when I said there's no records of me being scum, I didn't expect a 10 minute QL to finish my "current" scumgame, so there's now one for you to look at if you want.

How would you feel about oka/CJ if enigma flips scum, and if enigma flips town?

CJ is as townie as I've ever seen him, enigma flip won't change anything there for me one way or the other.

Oka I struggle to read, he's completely illogical, and I find that sort of person very hard to read. I've only seen him play as town against my scum, I'll have some thoughts EOD, but if say me and you decided to finish the Enigma wagon off right now, I would have nothing to contribute on Oka regarding the Enigma flip.

[OkaPoka]

im pretty easy to read if you just assume im town which i am so its a good assumption

do the right thing

[Sando]

im pretty easy to read if you just assume im town which i am so its a good assumption

do the right thing

You're making some sense here though, which is different from when I've seen you as town, so I'm assuming scum here

[BuJaber]

CJ did townlean on me pretty early on iirc which is suspicious, but hasn't pinged me otherwise and Oka I feel is clearly town.
We do finally agree on something though: no clear association with enigma for either of them.

[Skygazer]

Skygazer - I feel scum would not be this stubborn and push so hard on my wagon (a mislynch btw)

nice AtE

i've seen you're still not responding to my points

BuJaber is a townlean now btw

[ofrhz]

First point can you show me where.
Second point yes that's my case on you but that wasn't what ofrhz waa agreeing/disagreeing with.
I need to know when people are disagreeing with me about a general opinion on mafia strategy and when they are agreeing/disagreeing on a specific read

i was trying to disagree with "sando is scummy for agreeing with brass's read on him, which is scummier than simply ignoring it"

although wrt to sando's case, it feels like bujaber genuinely believes that agreeing is the scummy thing to do here, so i don't see this as scum-motivated, even if i don't agree with the foundations behind this push.

sando reads like town who has been wronged

[ofrhz]

honestly orfhz might be the scum on the wagon

i'm confused why you
a) think the wagon is scum-motivated when you were not independently townreading enigma as far as i can tell. rather, your logic kind of goes in the opposite direction: "the wagon built up quickly, so it is scum-motivated and is on town." how do you know the wagon isn't comprised of townies on the scummiest person in game?
b) assume because there is scum on the wagon, that i am scum on the wagon. is it because i left a vote without explanation?

because she seems to be asking questions and making comments but not really pushing anything hard

wat
i commented on enigma a while ago
if i ask questions and i end up townreading people, i'm not going to push them
and a few questions, i haven't even gotten responses to

[Enigma]

i commented on enigma a while ago
if i ask questions and i end up townreading people, i'm not going to push them
and a few questions, i haven't even gotten responses to

Could you give an example of what I didn't respond to? Thanks.

Skygazer - I feel scum would not be this stubborn and push so hard on my wagon (a mislynch btw)

nice AtE

i've seen you're still not responding to my points

BuJaber is a townlean now btw

Appreciate if you could remind me which ones I haven't touched on? Points that I've already addressed (but we continue to fundamentally disagree on) do count as responded to from my perspective as I have nothing new to add.

[ofrhz]

i commented on enigma a while ago
if i ask questions and i end up townreading people, i'm not going to push them
and a few questions, i haven't even gotten responses to

Could you give an example of what I didn't respond to? Thanks.

no, this was at oka, who said i wasn't "getting my hands dirty"
i asked invisibility to explain his questionable vote on VL, who hasn't responded yet
and i also threw a question at brass to explain what he found towny about his ISO, though i guess that will never get answered

[OkaPoka]

because naked votes that's why i think the wagon is scummy tho it might be too early to make assumptions about alignment, so yeah i can be completely wrong and it turns out enigma is scum after all, im just theorizing that the most likely scenario in my head is it is a scum motivated wagon on a town player because the wagon dynamics paint it so

[Enigma]

if i ask questions and i end up townreading people, i'm not going to push them
and a few questions, i haven't even gotten responses to

Your timeline on me so far:
You asked me two questions,
1. Could ruru be playing differently to throw us off her scum game - yes
2. Have I read any of town ruru games or played with her - no

Then you voted me without commenting on my responses

Then you havn't pushed me since

[OkaPoka]

@enigma how important is your role for town?

[Enigma]

@enigma how important is your role for town?

It would be nice to have a bit time before we start talking about my role (if I have one) ideally.

[OkaPoka]

yeah but i wanna see ur flip now ngl

[AP]

i was kinda wondering if he was just waiting for someone else to vote so he could sheep them
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Come on, skitter. You know me better than that. I do not "sheep" as scum, unless I wanted to appear like I had nothing to do with the lynch. Here I clearly said I was seeing something that bothered me, so I'd be taking he initiative and vote first if I was scum (yeah, self-meta sucks.. whatever)

[vulcan logician]

Just FYI, I'm in the house... need to catch up.

[vulcan logician]

I'm back after a prod and fully caught up. At this point, I am town reading ofrhz and okapoka on tone.

Ruru's claim has me townslotting her for the moment. It makes sense for meta reasons.

Skygazer: nullish to town. @skygazer, my "peppered in" paranoia of Ceej is warranted. He really isn't usually this townie as town. I have my eye on him, but, of course, that's a shit reason to sumread him.

No scumleans so far, sorry.

[OkaPoka]

though i appreciate you townreading me,
tone reads really

[Skygazer]

Yeah those reads are pretty bad if you're "fully caught up"

[vulcan logician]

Just being honest really. A lot of things factor into my flimsy post. First of all, I'm used to smaller games. This is a bit overwhelming. Second, I simply hate day 1 of any mafia game because I suck at making an assessment with little to no hard evidence. Third, I haven't had much time to devote to the game as I normally do. Fourth, I have more than just tone on Okapoka (I think) but I'm keeping some stuff close to the chest. Fifth, I really am planning some ISOs, and I don't want to snap to any judgments before I saturate myself with as much information as possible. Sixth, I'm lazy. (I'll try to make up for the last item with some astute ISOs if possible).

[Invisibility]

i could have sworn i responded
i was going to say i was waiting for a vulcan prod
VOTE: ceejay

[vulcan logician]

Just to add, I'm here real time, if anyone wants to get my opinion on a particular thing/player. That might help me wedge my way back into this game. (I feeling a bit out of the loop and wondering how to get back in.)

Also, I think a ceejay wagon might be a fruitive exercise... see how he responds to a little pressure.

VOTE: ceej

[Ausuka]

i think i stated a tr on vulcan at some point so that townread is very, very withdrawn.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: vulcan logician

im not liking this play coming from vulcan

he is being lazy but sheepy

[vulcan logician]

Well, I guess this is one way to get me involved. Lol.