OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[Invisibility]

anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

huh?

ceejay posted

[vulcan logician]

Finally vulcan is here. Arghhhh

Any gutreads @vulcan?

Tbh, I'm not the best "gut reader".... I occasionally hit a bullseye, but, at best, my gut is no better than random, so I tend to not rely on my own gut except perhaps as a starting point.

I'll go ahead and try to muster a gut read though (since you asked)...I don't trust your "super-towniness" ceej... it's a bit uncharacteristic. I suppose you might lump that into the gutread category, but it's ultra-paranoid thinking. I was hoping to see you in the pressure cooker where I might use my meta knowledge of you to discern your alignment. I don't think that will happen now that I'm in the spotlight, but that's fine. I think the wagon on me has the potential to generate some good information for town.

I am in the middle of (actually) doing some ISOs atm, but I'm periodically checking the current posts, so if anyone has anything to ask me/accusations to level etc. go ahead.

[OkaPoka]

This game's a disaster

all day 1's feel like a disaster imo

@cj i believe that the situation leading up to engima's wagon is especially fishy so if he flips town we can analyze what went wrong as it would then be scum motivated. if he is scum then we analyze who might have been bussing and who might have been doing bad interactions and who was trying to start counterwagons.

@ap but y ap

[OkaPoka]

ah fuck @invis but y ap

[Invisibility]

i didnt want to put enigma at L-2 yet because that heads in the direction of a lynch

[OkaPoka]

so you are just throwing votes down semi-randomly?

[ruru]

Mfw there are three "pressure voters", one "semi-RVS voter", and only three scums

[ruru]

vulcan's moonvote is actually kinda towny I guess?

[ruru]

Vulcan you're spending more time defending yourself than gamesolving

This feels a bit forced

[vulcan logician]

Vulcan you're spending more time defending yourself than gamesolving

This feels a bit forced

Yeah, I got that impression too.

[Sando]

I don't trust your "super-towniness" ceej... it's a bit uncharacteristic.

It's outside of his scum game and his town game.

a) Which way has he gone, more townie or more scummie?
b) Which is it closer to?

[skitter30]

because she seems to be asking questions and making comments but not really pushing anything hard

i think that's playstyle indiciative, not alignment indicative

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This really looks like tvt

yeah it's basically each scumreading the other for playing the game differently from themselves

i'm kinda tuning them out now tbh; i don't think this discussion is

a) going to change the other's mind

b) going to convince other people to join one side or the other

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That's also what I was wondering

I also find it notable that he's hard-townreading me when like he has a history of scumreading me for no reason and it would be pretty risky for him to do that as scum because I also have a history of violently omgusing him

are you talking about brass's game? or some other game? iirc he scumread you pretty hard in the beginning of brass's game but i don't remember all the details

so i guess what's bothering me is that he was being cage-y about his reads and sheeped the very next vote so idk if that's like a real scumread he had that he felt was reinforced/validated when i voted there too, or if he thought it was a push that would gain traction cuz i voted there

that's partly why i switched off a little bit thereafter - i had two people sheeping my vote who hadn't really indicated beforehand that they like actually scumreading oka, and ap's vote was flat-out sheeping me and vizzy's was just like 'i isod there and he pings me' or something

the thing is that that sequence of posts i can kinda see him making as town tho, especially on his rp alt

i have a pretty good track record of reading him as both town and scum actually and i still need some more from him to figure it out; i dont really feel like he's in the game yet; he's not even doing those bad puns he makes sometimes

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@enigma how important is your role for town?

i feel like this is kinda premature

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i was kinda wondering if he was just waiting for someone else to vote so he could sheep them
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Come on, skitter. You know me better than that. I do not "sheep" as scum,

unless I wanted to appear like I had nothing to do with the lynch.

Here I clearly said I was seeing something that bothered me, so I'd be taking he initiative and vote first if I was scum (yeah, self-meta sucks.. whatever)

yes, i'm aware, and that's why i'm a little bit sketchy on this vote - here you had a bit of a back-and-forth with oka but you didn't really say you were scumreading him till i did.

i guess the question is whether or not you thought the oka wagon would/could gain enough momentum to become a lynch, which i suppose is kinda unlikely given that you were like the third vote on page 8 or whatever; and whether you thought that vote would slip by unnoticed

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I'm back after a prod and fully caught up. At this point, I am town reading ofrhz and okapoka on tone.

Ruru's claim has me townslotting her for the moment. It makes sense for meta reasons.

Skygazer: nullish to town. @skygazer, my "peppered in" paranoia of Ceej is warranted. He really isn't usually this townie as town. I have my eye on him, but, of course, that's a shit reason to sumread him.

No scumleans so far, sorry.

these reads are kinda meh after catching up on a 20 page game tbh

i'll reserve judgement till you do those iso's tho, assuming you do them soon-ish since there's very little content from your slot thus far

and your cj vote is also meh given that cj was like one of two townreads you had thsi game and i don't think his play has changed drastically between your last post and this post

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i could have sworn i responded
i was going to say i was waiting for a vulcan prod
VOTE: ceejay

are you just voting people based on activity?

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VOTE: vulcan logician

im not liking this play coming from vulcan

he is being lazy but sheepy

But does lazy/sheepy= scum? And aren't there other reasons for hopping onto a wagon other than sheepiness? (For instance, being curious how Ceej might respond to pressure. And seeing an opportunity to create momentum on a ceej wagon).

i guess i'm jsut confused why you're voting based on pressuring your townread instead of like using your vote to do like ... something useful from your pov given that you don't seem to have lost the townread

this cj mini-wagon is kinda icky tbh

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anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

or just throwing down random lol-votes?

i really don't understand your thought process for like any of these votes

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Spoiler:

Explanation unclear. Ended up looking for the dynamics of a wagon.

Spell it out for me because I'm a bit dum.

i just want to say that this is funny lol

[skitter30]

Also, I feel new wagons (e.g. Invis) at this point are not looking good and a sign of disassociation with scum on my wagon. Will discuss later

can you elaborate on this please?

@engima please

[OkaPoka]

he went




i think cj is town tho


@skitter30 what isnt playstyle indicative and is alignment indicative for you

[Invisibility]

im not sure

i

understand my own thought process

[Enigma]

Also, I feel new wagons (e.g. Invis) at this point are not looking good and a sign of disassociation with scum on my wagon. Will discuss later

can you elaborate on this please?

@engima please

Day 1 is already a mess, and will continue descending into more of a clusterfuck.
I feel like it is either a decide to lynch me, or don't and convince people to move onto another wagon proving good merit to do so.
New wagons which obviously won't move anywhere with limited/poor justification (or so we would have thought yesterday) are an easy way to keep a low profile and hide in future VCAs.

[OkaPoka]

at this point im reaching just lynch lurkers territory

[Enigma]

at this point im reaching just lynch lurkers territory

It's gunna be hard to get 8 people on board with that tho (and they know that), the current decision is lynch me or not ... people should just TPR lurkers or something.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: enigma

meh at this point we aren't going to figure anything without a flip. would prefer a lynch on vulcan but meh

[ruru]

are you talking about brass's game? or some other game? iirc he scumread you pretty hard in the beginning of brass's game but i don't remember all the details

721: He randomly scumreads me on d1 (I still have no idea what for lol), claims he's sure about me as opposed to one of the others, I instantly try to make it a 1v1
723: I claim scum with Not_Mafia and vote UglyDuck, he's like "okay lynch ruru and nm and we win", UglyDuck flips red d1, he becomes my top scumread d2

[vulcan logician]

I don't trust your "super-towniness" ceej... it's a bit uncharacteristic.

It's outside of his scum game and his town game.

a) Which way has he gone, more townie or more scummie?
b) Which is it closer to?

Y'know, I'm not familiar with Ceej's scumgame, but what is provoking me is that he is so much more towny here than in the two games I played with him where he flipped green. I said this before, but I want to reiterate: I voted for CJ because I wanted to put pressure on him. I'm not leaning scum on him because of his uncharacteristic behavior-- I just thought it was worth noting and perhaps looking into further. For all I know, Ceej is town and (despite my vote) I'm leaning more town on him than scum.

I find it easier to "pretend scumhunt" when I'm scum than to actually scumhunt when I'm town. Basically, when I'm town, I'm more apt to second guess my own assessments, and I'm more reserved with them. It makes me more apt to be scumread. When I'm scum, I just go right into "scumhunting"... accusing people of being shady or noncommital, criticizing behavior that seems out of sorts... and (in those cases) I don't give a shit if I'm wrong because

I know I'm wrong!

As a townie, I have a much more delicate hand, and I have seen this sort of deliberative stance in Ceej in the games I've played with him. But it's absent here. That's not a good reason to scumread him, and I

don't

scumread him, but it's worth noting that his playstyle gives me pause.

[vulcan logician]

I get that enigma's flip will generate some info for town, but his ISO feels pretty town to me.

[Enigma]

VOTE: enigma

meh at this point we aren't going to figure anything without a flip. would prefer a lynch on vulcan but meh

Hey I meant discuss the merits of lynching me and if we want to do it, don't lynch me just yet!

[Enigma]

Someone post so I can quack pls

[Skygazer]

quack