Micro 813 - Game Over

[Invisibility]

not sure where being too scummy to be scum went

[Oath]

that's why i'm reading over the game
i find your reason pretty weak though. what about me changing my vote 11 minutes after the first vote makes me scum? the reason you laid out in the first post where you talked about SRing me you said it was opportunistic but like i wasnt trying to get you lynched. it was to hurry the game out of RVS.

It wasn't 11 minutes after the first vote, it was 11 minutes after you replied to me initially (having seen my vote on MafMan) and you didn't say anything even referencing me joining a wagon on MafMan, but then Manatee votes me and you joined him? I feel like given that you saw my vote first, you could have and would have voted me BEFORE Manatee came in, but the opposite happened within 4 minutes of Manatee's vote. It seems odd, especially since when this was mentioned your activity declined substantially and you weren't giving us insight like the last sentence above which could have helped. But now you've since joined more wagons- ultimately the one on a townie lynch and you seemed to push your way on to that. With the combination of today's initial wagon, which also means Maf isn't voting you-I'm worried.

You don't think GL has reasoning for your lynch?
@GL- why are you voting for Invisibility again?

[OkaPoka]

not sure where being too scummy to be scum went

into the dumpster with all the other dumb ideas

[Invisibility]

okay sorry that generally don't say everything i'm thinking
also the thing about voting before manatee makes absolutely no sense about why it makes me scum

woof i got pedited

[Invisibility]

oka feels like what i described where scum has to support my lynch until town is okay with it

[Invisibility]

GL's SR meaning is that i make sense in scumteams which i guess its cool that i can fulfill your magical christmas land?
is the reason that i have associatives with the conceptual scumteams or no associatives and therefore fit into teams and always make sense?
if its the latter then its a bad reason for scumreading me

[Invisibility]

also oka provided a real reason for scumreading me in 295!
*party horn* *party horn* *party horn*

[Invisibility]

oh neat i forgot about 312!
i wasnt posting because i had nothing to say
i hope all of you hate the above statement

[Invisibility]

anti seems pretty legit in him trying to sort me

[Invisibility]

and oka shade on anti is incredibly blech

[Oath]

okay sorry that generally don't say everything i'm thinking
also the thing about voting before manatee makes absolutely no sense about why it makes me scum

woof i got pedited

It feels like you waited until he voted to place your vote.

[Invisibility]

i never intended to vote you before Manatee voted
now that i think about it that response is kind of touchy but you didnt push manatee so that doesnt really make sense as a scum thing

[Invisibility]

ok i finished

[Invisibility]

there's a scum that's being the life support to my lynch (which i already said was oka also maybe someone else i'm not sure who)
but there's also probably scum that's softpushing and/or not pushing (which could only be mafmen rn)
there is no conclusion to be drawn in this post i just wanted to put this out there

[Oath]

i never intended to vote you before Manatee voted

now that i think about it that response is kind of touchy but you didnt push manatee so that doesnt really make sense as a scum thing

That's literally the part that I found scummy..Manatee voted for me on the basis of wagoning. You're basically saying you decided to vote me after Manatee voted and that's the definition of wagoning. Now you're saying you never intended for the wagon to lead to my lynch and it was to move us out of RVS, but this is the first time all game you've shared that even though I've stated MY reasoning more than once. Why now?

[Invisibility]

what made you thing it was anything but RVS?

[Invisibility]

also to avoid an "answer me qeustin. No answer ME qeuwstion!" i never stated my reasoning because i never thought anyone would think it wasn't RVS wagoning

[OkaPoka]

@invis why couldn't you be more vocal earlier?

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Vote Count

Invisiblity - 3 - GuiltyLion, OkaPoka, Oath
OkaPoka - 2 - Invisibility, MafMen

Not Voting - LuckyOtter, ManateeDude, Antihero

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Still Looking for a replacement for ManateeDude

Deadline: (expired on 2018-07-22 13:32:13)

@mod what happens when we reach the deadline without a lynch?

Most votes gets lynched. If equal amount, then whomever reached that number first.

[Kublai Khan]

Still Looking for a replacement for ManateeDude

ManateeDude is able to resume his slot.

[ManateeDude]

Ok lets solve this shit

[OkaPoka]

pretty sure it's still invis

[GuiltyLion]

I will answer this, and then I want you to answer it, because in your previous post Invisibility is scum in both of your scenarios.

412 is a quality post. That's a way of breaking it down that makes a compelling argument for town!Mafmen if town!Invis, because you're right that MafMen's play seems a little gratuitous and low equity in a town!Invisibility world.

The problem I'm struggling with is if MafMen

and

Invisibility are town, it means my gamestate view is completely absolutely wrong and I'm running out of POE suspects for scum. There's definitely scum on the Korina wagon, if it's not MafMen nor Invisibility then it means Oka is most likely scum and then either it's you+Manatee (possible, I guess?) or I'm completely snowed by at least one of Anti or Oath. I really really don't feel like Anti or Oath are scum - the worst I can say about either is that Oath has felt a tiiiny bit like she's sucking up to Anti/me at times but it absolutely pales in comparison to the amount of original analysis she's bringing and the sense that I get that all of her posts are coming from a place of genuinely trying to game-solve rather than push an agenda. So I can't imagine re-visiting either of those townreads, which means either the team is exactly you/Manatee/Oka or at least one of Invis/Maf is scum, basically, which is part of why I'm fairly set on scum!Invis

[GuiltyLion]

@GL- why are you voting for Invisibility again?

part POE because of my townreads on the Korina wagon (Anti, Oath, Oka-to-a-lesser-but-still-significant-extent)

part things covered in the thread already (convenient wagon hops, disappears from thread for large periods of time with no effort to game solve or advance content)

part the fact that every single one of his votes has felt convictionless - never have I gotten a sense from Invisibility that there's any pro-town intention behind his votes. Some of his votes have had reasons attached, but the reason always feels more like a justification for the vote rather than a

driving factor

that caused him to make the vote, if that makes sense.

[GuiltyLion]

Until you get to know me, these things ought to be completely NAI for you given that you have a very similar writing style (don't you think? Maybe you're not aware) so long as it doesn't appear that I'm being overly cautious in my actual gameplay

also I don't think of myself as having been guarded/careful this game

like I've contradicted myself on a few points, made a few careless errors, am not afraid to walk the "here's who I'm scumreading but here's a hedge in universes where I'm wrong" line, was pushing the Korina wagon along while being off it, etc

but I also don't think scum!you would think to describe town!me this way, it feels genuine