pedit: is that about me
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In post 1918, BlackVoid wrote:I'm ant as scum would need to lynch Nauci specifically. If he can get Nauci to back off with an emotional-type appeal, that's just as good for him.
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I noticed that too but my impression was that they wanted to swing momentum onto another viable-looking wagon as an alternative to TheWorst. I didn't like how Momrangal defended both Irrelephant and TheWorst and pushed their attackers and tried to get a wagon going elsewhere.In post 823, skitter30 wrote:intersting to note that mom votes nauci and duckling moves his vote off of mom onto nauci. i'm *pretty* sure from voting patterns that mom and duckling aren't scum together even though mom's defending him; the timing of their votes don't really feel like partners to me.
If by "agenda," you mean Nauci's push on Irrelephant, how do you differentiate between scum pushing a agenda and town pushing their scumreads when they develop a read they feel confident in? I'm not sure what agenda is being served by going all-out on D1 talking about how good Irrelephant is as scum and hard-pushing a case and trying to convince a lot of people that their townread is wrong as opposed to going for an easier lynch, bringing up Irrelephant-paranoia later on. People are generally more willing to lynch good scumplayers out of paranoia if they are alive too long than on D1.In post 923, the worst wrote:she feels less attached and engaged here and I cannot shake the feeling that her posting is pushing an agenda and specific preconceived stances rather than actively forming opinions fluidly as she goes.
I've caught up to page 47. I'll take a break and continue later. I don't think I'll read the whole game today but I'll try to finish up before I leave for work tomorrow.
Not VCA. It felt to me like the general concensus was that one of them would be lynched. I find it pretty unlikely for concensus to just converge on two scum. A much more likely scenario is at least one of them is town. On the other hand, I found TheWorst scummy in a vacuum so I'm trying to decide which scenario makes more sense.In post 2628, Keyser Söze wrote:Reading BV’s D2 catchup posts, tbh he wrote some very good posts on scum-Mom and scum-TW (both scum in isolation) But ended up concluding both couldn’t be scum (due to VCA?).
honestly no idea; i really don't understand what he's up toIn post 2576, Keyser Söze wrote:@skittles
Do you think scum-TW has given up today? (he’s decided for D3 to be about him, with the potential of it being 9 town vs 1 Mafia going into N3)Is hethatconfident that his scum partner is that well town read / hidden?
Is there ANYTHING from his D1/D2 play that backs up this trying-to-look-scummy-but-really-a-town-pr narrative?
why is tw leaning town?In post 2586, Gustavo wrote:I feel like Bernie is probably town. NM and TW are leaning town. that's about it
cuz if i'm scum i basically spent most of day1 trying to bus herIn post 2592, Gustavo wrote:just off memory skitter and keyser but somebody said skitter was not mom's partner and I am not sure why that was said. I can't do this off memory anymore, I need to refresh my mind by reading
oh i was getting the vibe that he was fake-claiming an inno on you, not a guilty, for just that reason tbhIn post 2613, Errantparabola wrote:That's not what it is, and if worst is fakeclaiming a guilty on me then you can lynch me and then immediately lynch worst tomorrow (or, preferably, just lynch worst)
if you think i'm scum tell me why you think i'm scum instead of throwing around scumteams that make no sense.In post 2625, Irrelephant11 wrote:while I'm doing this ISO on blackvoid (which is so freaking long... the catchup thing is not towny imo it just filled the thread with questions that had mostly been asked & answered already) I'm gonna go ahead and say that BV/skitter is actually a pretty likely scumteam imo if neither NM nor tw are scum.
pedit: is that about me
@nauci:In post 2637, BlackVoid wrote:3. She's also consistently playing up the fact that she and skitter see things the same way. But they often have different views on key reads. For example skitter has Irrelephant and Keyser as scummy whereas Nauci townreads them. My point here is more that they have different thought processes that reach different conclusions and Nauci playing up how closely they are linked together doesn't seem genuine to me.
I focused on Momrangal because she was one of the people I thought was scummy when I was skimming the game. When I found the posts that I remembered not liking, I did my best to explain in-depth why.In post 2630, Irrelephant11 wrote:Another note as I'm doing this (how is this taking soooo long, please bv if you're town never make these giant walls again):BV says an awful lot about Mom for someone who is jumping in brand new.
Actually, looking back at his first post, he says he had been "spectating but skimming pretty hard". So maybe he focused on Mom because he knew Mom was the biggest wagon. Still, though... Mom had very little content overall and it feels like a solid 1/5 of what BV had to say while catching up *happened to be* about Mom. Imo this suggests intentional distancing after checking in with the scum thread, not genuine writing-as-you-go.
@Blackvoid, would you say you were intentionally focusing on specific players when you did your readthrough, or just commenting on individual things as you felt the need?
pedit: who said you were less engaged? Definitely untrue
QQQQQIn post 2642, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I just discovered that 2156 is NOt another votecount thingy, but instead full of words! Wowwwww hahaha and so much of it includes meeee this issomething
pedit: @skitter I think you're possible-scum this time just from my vca and how BV talks about you. If the worst and Not_Mafia are both town, I think BV is the next most likely scum, and you would be his msot likely partner. If enough things happen today to make me think that tw and NM are both town, I'll ISO you again and let you know more thoughts. For now, it was just a thing I noticed while reading BV. I don't scumread you in isolation right now
pedit2: I'm making pushes on you because you've played in real time the least out of anyone in the player list and because I can't *do* anything to sort NM or the worst right now. I'll obviously drop it if the worst is like "Guilty on NM", or even better, "Guilty on Irrelephant"
no, this makes sense and i think i ought to be cleared based on that and it exasperates me that people don't see thisIn post 2643, Nauci wrote:Is it really a defense if I just think it's absurd to think anyone would bus a teammate so hard starting as early as page 18?