Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

Oh also Mom never said a word about BV

[Irrelephant11]

Same question to Irrelephant if you have read any.

Only whatever other players have referenced here - I followed links and skimmed those things, but idk which games they were

[BlackVoid]

Momrangal was my strongest scumread throughout the game. I didn't have anything positive to say there because she didn't do anything that looked town-motivated. I expected her to flip scum so I was on the lookout for who was townreading her for bad reasons or looked to be partnered with her.

What made me think TheWorst was scummier towards the end was his reaction to me saying he should claim. I proposed a way for us to use the last few days of D2 analyzing claims so we aren't scrambling at the last minute. His response of "you wish scumboy" really convinced me that he wasn't interested in being helpful. I was also at that point trying to figure out which of Momra/TheWorst were scum if only one of them were scum. While I thought Momrangal's defense of TheWorst and attack on Bernie was bad, I thought TheWorst's response by saying that she amazingly understood exactly what he was thinking (or something like that) when he vouched for Bernie being town to be

even

scummier. It felt like scum taking advantage of a townie townreading them for dumb reasons. Clearly it's not the case and my original Momrangal read was right.

[Gustavo]

Oh also Mom never said a word about BV

Is that really damning?

[Errantparabola]

I'm "less engaged"?

perhaps a mistake on my part, maybe i got that impression because i was less engaged myself

@errantp, I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding my tone. I wasn't talking to you as a concession. I was glad that you said you wanted to "connect" because I saw it as an opportunity to have an insightful discussion. I put it in quotes because it was your word and not one I've seen used before, not because I thought it was dubious or that I was doing it reluctantly.

I apologize. I read it wrong and I'm sorry i got upset.

oh i was getting the vibe that he was fake-claiming an inno on you, not a guilty, for just that reason tbh

his intention is definitely to suggest he has a guilty with his opening post. whether he actually does have a guilty, or intends to fakeclaim a guilty, or is just reaction testing with an inno, or a fakeclaimed inno, so on and so forth, will have to wait until he actually says his damn result

[Errantparabola]

@EP - why do you think TW chose you? (It’d been easier to stir up a wagon/fake a guilty on me or Not Nafia).

He almost certainly didnt. I thought about it and i want to claim now because i'm basically a VT at this point. I neighborized worst.
I told him that he was obviously softing PR. I asked where his reads were and said that he was pushing nauci and skitter hard yesterday and setting them up as partners with mom while trying to push mom and that was suspicious to me

He implied heavily that he was an investigative and said he would be "looking" at BV. thinking about it now i dont think worst ever hard townread me so idk why he claimed, but it seemed like worst was pretty much gearing up to claim eventually with how hard he was hinting at it in thread

i asked him why he didn't investigate one of his scumreads.

He said its better to focus on the top of the lynchpool and justified that bv was a nullread who wasnt going to be nk'd.

i asked if he had a N1 result and he said that maybe i'd find out eventually.

I asked him, only semi-jokingly, to investigate me, and he refused.

[Gustavo]

I expected her to flip scum so I was on the lookout for who was townreading her for bad reasons or looked to be partnered with her

You didn’t call me out for being against a mom lynch. Why is that given the quoted statement?

[Gustavo]

I neighborized worst.

Why?

[Errantparabola]

cause i thought he was town d1 and we're friends and i like him

[Keyser Söze]

Wow so TW has a guilty on BV?

[Keyser Söze]

If EP allowed the investigation on scum BV to be carried out N2.. does that indicate town EP???! I’m confused

[Errantparabola]

I dont actually know if he's going to claim a result on BV
that's what he said last night

[skitter30]

if he thinks i'm scum with mom i don't know why he didn't check me and/or nauci tbh

[Errantparabola]

Why is me being town so confusing to you?!?!?!?!?!?

[Keyser Söze]

Could explain why TW was pissed off with EP voting him too..

TW has told EP his D2/N2 plan.

[Gustavo]

cause i thought he was town d1 and we're friends and i like him

What was the stupid reason you had for the town read? Did you ever explain it?

[Keyser Söze]

Why is me being town so confusing to you?!?!?!?!?!?

I need a town clear before I change my avatar!

[Gustavo]

Why is me being town so confusing to you?!?!?!?!?!?

I need a town clear before I change my avatar!

Hi

[Nauci]

@EP - why do you think TW chose you? (It’d been easier to stir up a wagon/fake a guilty on me or Not Nafia).

He almost certainly didnt. I thought about it and i want to claim now because i'm basically a VT at this point. I neighborized worst.
I told him that he was obviously softing PR. I asked where his reads were and said that he was pushing nauci and skitter hard yesterday and setting them up as partners with mom while trying to push mom and that was suspicious to me

He implied heavily that he was an investigative and said he would be "looking" at BV. thinking about it now i dont think worst ever hard townread me so idk why he claimed, but it seemed like worst was pretty much gearing up to claim eventually with how hard he was hinting at it in thread

i asked him why he didn't investigate one of his scumreads.

He said its better to focus on the top of the lynchpool and justified that bv was a nullread who wasnt going to be nk'd.

i asked if he had a N1 result and he said that maybe i'd find out eventually.

I asked him, only semi-jokingly, to investigate me, and he refused.

I'm having a really hard time passing this post

Sorry but could you post explicitly the order of actions you know took place and when (d1, n1, etc.)?

[Keyser Söze]

Neigbourizer.. is that usually town aligned in these type of games on mafiascum?

[Irrelephant11]

So I had found it interesting that when I suggested BV/skitter associations they immediately started chatting in thread, so I went back to look at them side-by-side and, well, I definitely don't think skitter is scum while BV is town, though the opposite might be true and BV is pocketing skitter, and there is still a chance of s/s or t/t, but

anyway

all of that to say I find this to be a pretty big towntell from Skitter

{irrelephant, keyser} - upon a mom townflip keyser goes way down

I don't think scum ever says this in the context of the list of reads she was sharing. She had me and Keyser pretty low here, and at least two town players (me and shoshin) were scumreading Keyser outright. I think scum definitely might put Keyser near the bottom of the list like she does here, but scum!Skitter doesn't think to set up an if-then scenario where Keyser

only becomes easier to lynch upon the green flip of her scumpartner

. Hm. This is hard to put into words.

Basically, scum!skitter doesn't add the "upon a Mom townflip Keyser goes way down" *knowing* there's no such thing as a Mom townflip, unless she has incentive to help her scumpartner Keyser, which tbh I actually haven't looked at the two of them together but intuition says a mom/skitter/keyser team is silly. I guess I'll go double check though if I'm gonna use this to be nearly certain skitter is town

pedit: wow there's a lot to talk about in the pedit.

[Gustavo]

Neigbourizer.. is that usually town aligned in these type of games on mafiascum?

I’ll check later.

[Nauci]

I'm mostly unclear on what you're saying tw claimed to you and what actions he claimed

[Nauci]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

They are explicitly any alignment, but frequently pro town

[Keyser Söze]

thank you. I kept trying to discreetly tell people that keeping me alive was good. >:/

for the record EP plays a part in why I had such a lovely night.

Sounds like TW got a guilty, and EP didn’t roleblock/NK TW, knowing that’d he’d target (BV?).


@the worst?