Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[HeWhoSwims]

I'm human too.

[Vecna]

We could potentially be down to 10 people tomorrow, of which 4-5 are hostile if we fuck up again today.

Were still very much in the dark.

Of the people that are gonna chime in, there will be scum, stubborn people, and people with stuff to hide.

This train has left the station. Were gonna figure this thing out. Force scum to kill Hebi tonight or risk even more townclears.

[Vecna]

I'm human too.

Full claims including role and potential outcomes please <3

[Ankamius]

CAN WE NOT

[Vecna]

We could stop here

But that wouldnt be any fun

[HeWhoSwims]

I'm just a sweet angelic villager that would never do any harm.

But what's gonna stop scum from claiming VT while a possible town or outs themselves

[Ankamius]

Wow Vecna

Fine, I'll spend today not giving a shit too. Good luck with whatever the fuck you think this will result in before ending on a really dumb lynch.

[Vecna]

Nothing. Or maybe......something?

[HeWhoSwims]

Y'all both are town let's work together.

[Ankamius]

Y'all both are town let's work together.

No

This is the second time he's pulled that shit this game

[Vecna]

Wow Vecna

Fine, I'll spend today not giving a shit too. Good luck with whatever the fuck you think this will result in before ending on a really dumb lynch.

Were already getting our ass whooped badly. I dont know what type of an ace you have up your sleeve, but I doubt its gonna help us much, since all we have to go on so far are assumptions.

The current methods havent yielded anything.

Your lynchpool of 6 is a fine assumption. But do we have any way to know it wasnt just a scenario of RC bussing Math and instructing Hebi to fakeclear HWS? Nope

The longer we rally to a plan, the more influence scum will have on every outcome. And theyre already pushed everything exactly where it needed to go to.

[Ankamius]

Here's an idea Vecna

If scum already have things pushed where they need to go

Then I'm on the right track

Do you know what happens when I'm on the right track

[Ankamius]

Do you agree that it's likely there is scum in the neighborhood outside of Mathblade via gamestate

[Vecna]

Yes

[Ankamius]

Do you know what that would imply if true

[Vecna]

no

[Ankamius]

It means Math is scum only if Creature is scum. Otherwise why would scum bother recruiting rather than just killing the town in their hood and having the extra kill to themselves.

[HeWhoSwims]

Wouldn't hold that pairing for impossible just yet.

[Vecna]

By Math's own admission, the other 2 in the hood were fairly inactive during the night, and not trying to push anything really. (during n1 at least)

This could mean many things.

1 of gamme/Brian is scum, but the first person decided to take it easy, lay low, try to survive - have RC push their agenda for them to lynch math.
2 as you say, Math and creature are scum. But Math has been actively trying to protect the others in the hood. None of them have ended up dead.
3 Creature and 1 of Gamma/Brian is scum. They had to lynch math to take over the hood.
4 Everyone in the hood is town
5 Mathblade is scum, but is preferring to just survive over attempting to take over the hood and risk getting outted

I can honestly go on if I use that small creative writing part of my brain, but really, can we even know which one is true? Trying to make assumptions of this nature is extremely dangerous.

[Ankamius]

I'm saying it's really weird for Math to play the way he did if he was scum with Gamma or Brian

He was leading the neighborhood, so he could have swung it over to a kill. A hidden neighborhood that requires two scum kills to get rid of and provides a second kill a night is insane. Yet Math didn't go for that despite him very damn well being capable of thinking of it.

So why would he go this route instead.

[Ankamius]

That's a reason why if we want to lynch in the neighborhood, we should be looking at everyone else within it, because if there is scum in there, it's unlikely to be him.

[Vecna]

But I agree with you on one thing - reasoning this out could get us a scenario that fits.

So far we've had a lot VT claims. Were getting near the limit.

Scum is gonna need to make a pretty damn good showing to be able to come up with ~4 fakeclaims that will make sense with the gamestate. Its quite likely one of em will slip, or get caught by a tracker, or some other inconsistency. Even if they dont, itll give us a better idea of what is going on with this vampire stuff. Oath alluding there are others.

I know it might turn out ugly, and we might loose the game due to my pushing for a massclaim here. By now, if were being honest, a gameloss IS the most likely outcome for us.

Its an all or nothing play. Get that inconsistency. Put our mind at ease for many of the other irregularities, patch together which scenario is happening right below our nose.

Were so close, but today is probably make it or break it.

If we lynch a towny today, and 1-2 more die tonight, we'd need every single town to agree on whom to lynch tomomrrow. Else we'll just get swarmed by numbers. And with this player list, were not gonna agree. You can be certain on that.

[Ankamius]

No, town actually is functioning pretty well together

The problem is that the town's collective reads suck.

[Ankamius]

Also 3446 is creepily similar to mastina's posting style, it's freaking me out

[Vecna]

I dont think she'll like to read that lol