Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Spiffeh]

I appreciate your responsiveness

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Moment]

Right then, I've finally got a chance to sit down and take a look through things. If anyone else is around, feel free to let me know if you want my thoughts on something or if there's something in specific you think I should pay attention to.

[projectmatt]

do you have reads?

[projectmatt]

VOTE: Spiffeh

why are you ignoring my questions?

[Purrcocet]

I appreciate your responsiveness

Don't hurt me

[Moment]

do you have reads?

Oh, I guess I wasn't really clear in my wording; I didn't mean that I had past-tense "gotten" a chance to look through things, I meant that my chance started right then (and is now completed).

No strong reads as of yet, but I've got some leans going either way. Kokichi, you (matt), Dunnstral, Nancy and

perhaps

Sakura (pending taking a look back at the last game for comparison on something) all seem town enough to me for now. I agree with others on Ankamius' posting just in general not being the best so far, but that's not really a strong scumread at all.



I haven't liked some of what Spiffeh has been saying; specifically, it was these two lines that really stuck out to me:

Nancy, you admit yourself that your early game is inconsistent but when you're wagoned you say that they shouldn't be scum reading you here because of how you acted in the beginning of Necromancer.

Some would argue that there won’t be any meaningful contribution before votes actually count.

The first line from 157 is logically correct, but it's the kind of logically correct thing that someone could point out regardless of alignment, and I feel like a scum Spiffeh would be more apt to take that opportunity to point it out than a town Spiffeh. When it comes to Nancy Drew, that kind of logical inconsistency really doesn't seem particularly alignment relevant - at least, that's how it seems to me - and so pointing it out would be more of an attempt to look like you're doing something than actually doing something.

The second quote really just stuck out to me for the wording. He wasn't making that argument, he was just saying that "some would argue" that. It's weasel wording which, in all honesty, is probably not scum indicative, especially for such a tangentially alignment-related issue as the starting of the day. Even still, it stuck out to me upon reading through and I felt it worth mentioning.

[Moment]

And despite all those words spent on Spiffeh, I think the best place for my vote is actually on Nosferatu. His series of posts starting at 292 strikes me as forced, and I feel more confident in that actually being scum indicative than any of the other thoughts I've mentioned so far.

I'll also be keeping my eye on Mylo and MariaR.

VOTE: Nosferatu

[TehBrawlGuy]

Right then, I've finally got a chance to sit down and take a look through things. If anyone else is around, feel free to

let me know if you want my thoughts on something

or if there's something in specific you think I should pay attention to.

[Moment]

Right then, I've finally got a chance to sit down and take a look through things. If anyone else is around, feel free to

let me know if you want my thoughts on something

or if there's something in specific you think I should pay attention to.

I'm taking a look back at the last game right now, so stay tuned, and I'll say more after. In the meantime, mind elaborating on the whole picture gimmick? Is this something you've just decided to do for fun, or is it a genuine restriction?

[Myloninja13]

I'll get to this soon, I have to do some stuff first though

[Moment]

Alright, I think I've seen enough, at least for what I was looking for. While reading I noticed that Sakura really didn't seem all that invested in her scumreads, but it seems that the same thing held true in Minuet's Trio. That being said, even if it's not scum-indicative, that doesn't necessarily make it

town

indicative; where my mild townread comes in is from 282:

my new goal is to receive no more than one vote this game

please help me accomplish this goal

no no NO NO NO.
This is literally the kind of posting you like to make as scum
VOTE: muffin

This seems to be a very genuine conviction / reaction. That's it. I can't really come up with much else to describe my thoughts there; it just looks genuine to me.

[Moment]

They say that trying to explain your intuition actually destroys it. I wonder - perhaps the less I can explain something I feel, the more I can trust it?

Eh, obviously won't hold true for everything. Might be worth thinking about, though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@moment thoughts on Katsuki. He is playing so very different this game.

[Moment]

@moment thoughts on Katsuki. He is playing so very different this game.

Different in what sense?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@moment thoughts on Katsuki. He is playing so very different this game.

Different in what sense?

He just posted spam until he suddenly became GOAT in Minuet.

First, there’s this weird dynamic with Mufffin and then he votes me for suspicious sounding reasons without ever scumreading me in approximately the first 8 or so pages. I thought his reaction to Muffin’s Alice posts were kind of overblown.

[Moment]

He just posted spam until he suddenly became GOAT in Minuet.

First, there’s this weird dynamic with Mufffin and then he votes me for suspicious sounding reasons without ever scumreading me in approximately the first 8 or so pages. I thought his reaction to Muffin’s Alice posts were kind of overblown.

I'm failing to see where the "difference" part of what you're saying comes in. Apart from thinking that he had an overblown reaction - a valid reason to scumread someone - none of what you describe seems relevant. As far as I remember the thing with MuffinMan happened in the last game as well, and as for his vote on you; I really doubt it's all that meaningful. I mean, it really is just possible that he scumread you but didn't say anything about it.

I think you really ought to stop trying to scumhunt solely off of people's interactions with yourself. (Remind me to come back to this later.)

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By the way I see all of you posting in other games. Come chat, why don't you; I'm bored, I've got time right now and I might not have this much time again soon.

[Purrcocet]

Nancy Drew is pretty transparent town like it almost hurts
Wouldn't you agree @MeowriaR
You were the first to create this style
You were also the first to create the "pretty transparent town scum" style but I don't know if I've seen you pull that off in a while


agreeing with what Moment is saying about scumreads I think

[Nancy Drew 39]

He just posted spam until he suddenly became GOAT in Minuet.

First, there’s this weird dynamic with Mufffin and then he votes me for suspicious sounding reasons without ever scumreading me in approximately the first 8 or so pages. I thought his reaction to Muffin’s Alice posts were kind of overblown.

I'm failing to see where the "difference" part of what you're saying comes in. Apart from thinking that he had an overblown reaction - a valid reason to scumread someone - none of what you describe seems relevant. As far as I remember the thing with MuffinMan happened in the last game as well, and as for his vote on you; I really doubt it's all that meaningful. I mean, it really is just possible that he scumread you but didn't say anything about it.

I think you really ought to stop trying to scumhunt solely off of people's interactions with yourself. (Remind me to come back to this later.)

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By the way I see all of you posting in other games. Come chat, why don't you; I'm bored, I've got time right now and I might not have this much time again soon.

But if someone townreads you for similar behaviour in a previous game, should I just ignore that?

[zMuffinMan]

im approximately 13 pages behind. will read when not busy (probably over weekend though, sorry)

[Moment]

But if someone townreads you for similar behaviour in a previous game, should I just ignore that?

So, to be clear, you're saying that you find it suspicious that Katsuki scumreads you here when he townread you in Minuet's Trio and you think you've been acting similarly? Well, in the first place having just looked back at Katsuki's ISO in MT I don't actually see him townreading you early on; the exact opposite, in fact.

I don't think it's something you should necessarily ignore, but I think maybe you should just mentally put more distance between the the ideas of what people's reads on you are and what their alignment is. People can be wrong and still town.

I noticed you make a comment seemingly along that exact same fallacious line earlier, and I cringed reading it. It was this:

Spoiler:

Some would argue that there won’t be any meaningful contribution before votes actually count.

Also why?

WE CAN FINALLY LYNCH PPL

VOTE: NANCY

Why?

Your PM says you're scum.

No it doesn’t. You’re either lying or trolling here.

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To be clear, none of this is me townreading Katsuki. I'm just trying to explain that I think that your reasoning for him being scum is flawed.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Spiffeh

why are you ignoring my questions?

madness is rarely sensical
but madness is the only sanity

[Katsuki]

Posting to state that I shall join muffins in his lurking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But if someone townreads you for similar behaviour in a previous game, should I just ignore that?

So, to be clear, you're saying that you find it suspicious that Katsuki scumreads you here when he townread you in Minuet's Trio and you think you've been acting similarly? Well, in the first place having just looked back at Katsuki's ISO in MT I don't actually see him townreading you early on; the exact opposite, in fact.

I don't think it's something you should necessarily ignore, but I think maybe you should just mentally put more distance between the the ideas of what people's reads on you are and what their alignment is. People can be wrong and still town.

I noticed you make a comment seemingly along that exact same fallacious line earlier, and I cringed reading it. It was this:

Spoiler:

Some would argue that there won’t be any meaningful contribution before votes actually count.

Also why?

WE CAN FINALLY LYNCH PPL

VOTE: NANCY

Why?

Your PM says you're scum.

No it doesn’t. You’re either lying or trolling here.

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To be clear, none of this is me townreading Katsuki. I'm just trying to explain that I think that your reasoning for him being scum is flawed.

I didn’t scumread him for the pm thing. It just seemed all of a sudden and I cringed at the word “forced” as well. I know he scumread me in the beginning of Minuet. I was referring to later in the game when he townread me by gameplay. But in addition to the weird Muffin thing, is his playstyle was very different early game in Minuet. He was a lot more laid back at this point in that game. That may be NAI but it pinged me.

[projectmatt]

VOTE: Spiffeh

why are you ignoring my questions?

VOTE: Spiffeh

why are you ignoring my questions?

madness is rarely sensical
but madness is the only sanity

im taking this to mean "i don't want to explain my reads or my thought process for a -secret- reason"

strange, but alright