NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Skygazer]

Also I find it hard to believe scum-Ausuka would cc like that?? Unless it's to get a mislynch on a dangerous town player?? But I don't see Ausuka doing that if they just lost a scum partner and I'm kind of paranoid about MoI after realizing how dangerous of a scum player he apparently is.

Scum!Ausuka would do it only if they really are a scum!fruit-vendor.
(This actually launched me into this weird theory-tunnel that I'd love to talk about

LATER.

So if anyone remembers/notices this down the line..)

Was hoping to ask HitAlt about this but he's already requested replacement, so I guess I'll just post this for everyone to look at/possibly answer: do you think Magna would claim fruit vendor as scum knowing that there's a town fruit vendor in the game? I think that they're almost definitely both fruit vendors but I've been back and forth on this. It'd be risky to claim as scum after seeing Rask receive a fruit and knowing there's a counterclaim out there, but I could see MoI being confident enough (considering he's been universally townread until today) to go through with it to attempt to draw out a claim that reveals more game info.

To clarify as to why I think they're both fruit vendors: it'd be near suicide to fakeclaim the role entirely and have their partner claim they received the fruit.

[Skygazer]

I really don't see scum-Ausuka counter-claiming a near universal town-read MoI, though...

The only reasoning I can see in Ausuka counter-claiming is because she feels confident enough to take on MoI as scum (I don't see this happening after Dram's death) or she genuinely feels she caught scum in MoI

(potential third reason: considering the investigative roles in Hit/Andrius, I can see the need for a scum-fruit vendor to out themselves early to avoid scrutiny if they're caught fruiting and not counter-claiming MoI, but I'm not strongly convinced this is the case here)

[Skygazer]

I still want to lynch profii/A50 today, leaning more towards profii rn obviously. I think tomorrow we should try to sort the fruit vendors and the worst.

[Skygazer]

{profii/A50/MoI/HWS/possibly Ausuka}

I think most of the rest of group-scum (possibly all group scum) is in that set of players.

[Raskolnikov]

could lynch a50 here
that vt claim is kind of awful

[Skygazer]

Agreed but I don't like how profii flailed then disappeared so keeping my vote for now

[Andrius]

Yes, I am an investigative role who is seriously wondering why people are talking about lynching CHICKADEE.

mfw

[Andrius]

{profii/A50/MoI/HWS/possibly Ausuka}

I think most of the rest of group-scum (possibly all group scum) is in that set of players.

do you honestly think both vendors are scum
because you have them both there
mfw

[Skygazer]

I think one of them is probably scum which is why they're both in that set. I mean I literally just talked about sorting the fruit vendors.

[Andrius]

I think the whole 'scum would claim to get info' re: fruit is 100% risk 0% reward as its not like they're trying to out a cop.

Unless Pine told them that there's a LOYAL Fruit Vendor in the game there's no reason to even consider this.
Its pants-on-head to think scum would jump along with a fruit vendor claim just to get on the bandwagon.
Ausuka CC'd because she thought there was one. Scum wouldn't do that.
I believe Magna's also town for his claim early. We're both (and HitAlt?????) pushing the same venue of 'POE while we're ahead' so I really think you're grasping at ghosts with that one.

[Skygazer]

Do you think there's four town investigative roles? Because that doesn't seem likely to me at the moment.

[Skygazer]

If scum were to have a disloyal fruit vendor and saw a second fruit vended or if they were to have information about the loyal fruit vendor then I could see it possible for MoI to claim to draw out the loyal fruit vendor without having to worry about being imminently lynched due to their position in the game.

I know you're townreading MoI but I'm just trying to figure everything out through PoE. I think you're town, I don't think HitAlt would claim as scum and risk a counterclaim, I don't think Ausuka would risk counter-claiming against a universal townread, and I don't think there are four investigatives, so process of elimination points towards MoI for me

[Andrius]

Do you think there's four town investigative roles? Because that doesn't seem likely to me at the moment.

I wouldn't immediately discredit it, which everyone seems to do without a second thought.
I'm the type of mod who would do something like that but also give the town zero protective roles to make up for it. I believe Pine's capable of mod-side shenanigans, though I'm not saying THAT is what he's doing.

I'm just saying let's not IMMEDIATELY dismiss it without consideration.
Given everyone has their own restrictions I could see it working out vaguely. However now that HitAlt is GONE the questions continue to bubble.

If scum were to have a disloyal fruit vendor and saw a second fruit vended or if they were to have information about the loyal fruit vendor then I could see it possible for MoI to claim to draw out the loyal fruit vendor without having to worry about being imminently lynched due to their position in the game.

I know you're townreading MoI but I'm just trying to figure everything out through PoE. I think you're town, I don't think HitAlt would claim as scum and risk a counterclaim, I don't think Ausuka would risk counter-claiming against a universal townread, and I don't think there are four investigatives, so process of elimination points towards MoI for me

Your entire claim, in the first paragraph, revolves around the scumteam knowing there's a loyal fruit vendor on the town. The claim also revolves around AUSUKA being town which you don't seem certain on either.

HitAlt-scum WOULD spin off a silly claim with little substance and no game content to avoid another day where he's a prime lynch suspect.
But that's conjecture.

[Skygazer]

I mean all this uncertainty is why I'm voting between A50/profii today. I'm just thinking through things for tomorrow out loud. Your points make sense though so I'll reevaluate.

[profii]

Day off today - full catchup incoming post chores and a little bit of work

[Raskolnikov]

you smart
you loyal

[Raskolnikov]

@Mod

V/La this weekend fyi

[Almost50]

could lynch a50 here
that vt claim is kind of awful

1-Why?
2-How many games have you played with me? (Answer: 1 or 2. The players more familiar with me

know

that this claim is 100% me. The question -for most- would be is if I'm truly a VT or if I'm a PR gambitting to evade the NK. Go check the competition game for an example of a game where I did claim VT on D1 and still got NK'd on N1 bc "those familiar with my play" thought I was hiding my true role)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Your predecessor already claimed ...

[Almost50]

Yes, I am an investigative role who is seriously wondering why people are talking about lynching CHICKADEE.

mfw

I didn't talk about it before, but if she suspects me still then there's something wrong! She's supposed to know me well enough to tell what I'm doing right now.

[Almost50]

Your predecessor already claimed ...

And I said I read nothing from before I subbed in. I'm playing by the ear here.

[brassherald]

I don't remember any claim by Elbirn.

[Inferno390]

Your predecessor already claimed ...

Bogus.
Several people have kept up with claims and Elbirn definitely did not.
VOTE: MoI

[Raskolnikov]

Hey can we lynch some scumfucks
where are my VCs at

[Raskolnikov]

VCburgermeister-Taly please