Open 733: Grey Flag (Complete)

[ofrhz]

ruru, how dare you lock me in this room

VOTE: ceejay

L-1

[ofrhz]

wait i don't understand why someone is at L-1 already? There's not that many people in this game that seems dangerous.

Given that no one hammered yet, I think it is safe to assume either a) both scum are on town!Ceejay currently OR Ceejay is scum.

I'm not following your reasoning here. I don't think we can assume scum would auto-hammer if cj is town

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anti-town doesn't mean scum
i also appreciate miltank reaction gifs as much as the next person but i do hope this isn't it for N_M

he's also known sitewide for lolhammering

[ofrhz]

oh hey

pagetop!

[ofrhz]

ofrhz hi hi hi

Hi hi

I guess I'll pronounce ofrhz as ['o.vr̩^ɣz]. Thanks for not being helpful...

Not everything in this world is meant to be pronounced, my good man. But what the duckling said is good too

@Ircher: there are actually three scum in this game.

Do you think this was a real slip

[ofrhz]

Maybe cj is town

VOTE: saudade

[ofrhz]

I am making a stance on NM because I don't think his play is acceptable. That's the long and short of it.

since a couple of other people say they can read NM, i don't think this is productive right now

quick is probably town though

so quick and cjv town

who else?

[ofrhz]

Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.

what's making you paranoid about these people?

[ofrhz]

guys what is the point of this conversation?

Why is ceejay town?

gut townreading him for 66

and cj was at L-1 for 2 days in a 7-day phase and nothing really happened

[ofrhz]

that is an entirely non sketchy and well intended wagon, nicely done fam bam

@Quick what if I told you NM can be sorted (generally) fairly easily late game and has generally good reads?

tw, do you remember pick your poison? was that game representative of NM's scumgame

[ofrhz]

Not_Mafia is town.
I am town.
The Worst is town.
Ceejay may be town (not definite there).

That's what I got for a townbloc.

why on NM and TW

[ofrhz]

Everything from Not_Mafia so far screams gut!town to me.

As for the worst, he's fairly easy to read

, and I'm pretty sure this is his town game.

tfw i can't read tw

[ofrhz]

that is an entirely non sketchy and well intended wagon, nicely done fam bam

@Quick what if I told you NM can be sorted (generally) fairly easily late game and has generally good reads?

tw, do you remember pick your poison? was that game representative of NM's scumgame

@duckling

[ofrhz]

pagetop!

couldn't resist

[ofrhz]

Ok maybe TW is town

VOTE: gosrir

[ofrhz]

@Players in the game,

Do you know Ircher to have a Scummy meta?

I’ve never played with scum!Ircher

Or are you asking if Ircher is scummy as town? In the one completed game I’ve played with him, he was mislynched on D1 although I don’t remember the specifics

[ofrhz]

Then you'll get lynched a lot and something tells me you'll flip mafia more often than not simply by the nature of the slip

Why is that slip more likely to come from scum than town

[ofrhz]

Because mafia is the one that needs to make up a narrative and thus ultimately might contradict themselves.
Town players are generally straight forward in their approach and have their mentality set thus contradicting themselves less.

i think this is a pretty shallow read given that quick has produced content, at least relative to what content is available in the game thus far, despite him saying he doesn't want to. his initial contradiction is more likely out of stubbornness in maintaining his PL stance rather than out of faking stances

and ircher, this cannot be the first time you see someone wanting to PL NM. that's kind of a bad reason to scumread quick

[ofrhz]

It’s the continued push that strikes me as scum. Most people would quit by this point.

hmm that's fair

[ofrhz]

current lynchpool is gosrir and saudade

[ofrhz]

Because mafia is the one that needs to make up a narrative and thus ultimately might contradict themselves.
Town players are generally straight forward in their approach and have their mentality set thus contradicting themselves less.

i think this is a pretty shallow read given that quick has produced content, at least relative to what content is available in the game thus far, despite him saying he doesn't want to. his initial contradiction is more likely out of stubbornness in maintaining his PL stance rather than out of faking stances

and ircher, this cannot be the first time you see someone wanting to PL NM. that's kind of a bad reason to scumread quick

I've no better reads at the time so he's got my vote so far

here, i provided alternative explanation behind why this might be town!quick contradicting himself, and saudade's response suggests that he doesn't feel too strongly about his scumread on quick. i think town at this point would reconsider their read on quick or explain why they disagree with my pov

Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.

I disagree and I also explained why in my previous posts, this is really going nowhere lets move on to greater bigger things

i don't think this post comes from town. instead of engaging with his scumread or finding another avenue to push his scumread, he is trying to shut down the thread of conversation

If anyone feels like summarizing a better case on any other player at the moment feel free ill read into it instead and if I dim it worthy ill switch my vote =]

and also this post is just bad. there are 9 pages in this game, i hardly think he needs someone else to summarize cases at this point. lowkey getting buddying vibes here

what are your scumreads saudade

[ofrhz]

@Gosrir what exactly is the difference between town!NM and scum!NM?

As I've said before, I don't know NM's scumplay, as I haven't seen it. I'm voting him because his play is different than the townplay I've seen. He was town in the RC crybaby game (although I don't know how often that happens) & in mini normal 2016. In the former you played, too.

i mean, NM could be playing differently as town here because this game is slow, and he is uncomfortable with how slow the game is moving, which would be town indicative. like the logical leap from "NM is more active here" to "NM is scum" is bad

[ofrhz]

what do you think of saudade

[ofrhz]

Idk what to take away from the fact the entire list seems OK with a Gosrir lynch

Yeah also the VC has hardly moved since Saturday with Gosrir as the leading wagon since then

Imma do

VOTE: saudade

[ofrhz]

I should probably reset myself with this game because I feel stuck.

A few quick thoughts: I think him pushing me if he's scum wouldn't be a good idea because it'd raise questions like in TW's #230. At this stage there's no way he gets lynched before me, so he could've townread me with little risk. Now, it's easier to notice after the fact, but one of his buddies surely would've pointed it out if they'd noticed. So they didn't notice either because of inactivity or inexperience. Point is: Quick can be scum only with Saudade & Brandi. (If you assume I'm town, I guess.)

So uh, do you think quick is town or scum?

I feel like Saudade is the kind of player who could do a daytalk slip of some kind.

I'll reread him looking for such. (There's daytalk, btw, keep that in mind.)

Why do you think this? And why did you bring it up

[ofrhz]

why is ircher a better flip than gosrir

@mod

, can we get an extension since brandi hasn't posted in a few days

[ofrhz]

[ofrhz]

If this flips town I want Gosrir tomorrow. >:{

I'm ok with this

[ofrhz]

rooroo where are you

[ofrhz]

Ruru why am I in a saw movie

[ofrhz]

VOTE: gosrir

[ofrhz]

Leaning scum on Ircher

Not a huge fan of cj’s vote on quick while simultaneously ignoring the wagon on gosrir, although I’m not sure if that last part is ai for cj

Dont really have any thoughts on Skygazer

Quick looks bad on a superficial level, but I think it’s coming from town based on some convoluted logic that goes something like “scum quick would probably not pick TW of all people as the counterwagon to gosrir”

[ofrhz]

I wanna know what Ircher finds towny about gosrir

[ofrhz]

Surely that has changed somewhat. I don’t think active can be used to describe gosrir in any sense of the word, and the other stuff is kind of meh considering gosrir just admitted he’s coasting

[ofrhz]

ofrhz keeps saying I am Town but IIRC they are not really pushing anyone - at least not very hard. Their vote is on Gosir. I think it's pretty clear those two are not teamed. I have a Town Lean on Gosrir atm so don't really want to lynch there.

uhhhh i mean i did push saudade d1 but idk if i want that to be my claim to fame

[ofrhz]

I hacked her account and read her role pm. why is she not town?

Because their votes are bad and they aren't making any pushes.

Why are they Town?

how were my votes bad?

[ofrhz]

quick, why are you townleaning gosrir? you've been saying all game that gosrir has been pinging you.

[ofrhz]

Anyhow, I've "meta"-d NM, which means that I looked for a finished game of his in which he was scum, then a game before that in which he was town. Enter Open 808 & Open 725.

In the former he gets down to the nitty-gritty of the game, pieces of content after pieces of content.

In the

former

latter (?)

he's bouncy & intangible, the way I remember him from the two games I played with him previously. He's more like the former now, ie. more like when he was scum.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

....uh did we read the same game?

NM posted like no content in Micro 808 (NM's scumgame) until lylo that game. People complaining about his play:

Spoiler:

hmm, after reading through this thing again, I think the people we should put pressure on are definitely Jumble and Not Mafia. They seem to be adding very little to the game and we either need to get them involved or get rid of them; because they are either scum or going to hold the town back as I see it right now. So with that.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia, get in here and do something

useful

.

(from his scumpartner lol)(hey ircher is in this game too)

I wish I was in some other game where Not_Mafia actually shared thoughts concerning the game.

Yeah, I am really starting to lean more towards Not Mafia now that he is talking. He is avoiding giving reasons and examples for his reasoning and voting. I feel like he hopped onto Vulcan thinking Penguin would eventually hammer.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This post was probably the most substantive post from NM pre-lylo

Not_Mafia, get in here and do something

useful

.

Microwave two bowls simultaneously by placing one on a cup

only slightly exaggerating here

Some towny posts for NM in this game:

Spoiler:

Why is ceejay town?

ok guys I had an idea
let's make this the shortest running of Grey Flag ever.

today we lynch {Quick, Gosrir}. they vengekill the other.

Nah Quick is town

He regularly actively refuses to play on games, in his mind he’s an unsung hero taking a noble stand against big bad Not_Mafia, that’s just how he is. Ridiculous =/= scum

oh shit, NM is explaining something, something he never did in Micro 808

[ofrhz]

Did I answer this?

if you think they're bad because i haven't made any pushes, i disagree like i said in 405

[ofrhz]

@gosrir, elaborate on some of your other scumreads?

[ofrhz]

Did I answer this?

if you think they're bad because i haven't made any pushes, i disagree like i said in 405

so yes, i do need you to elaborate further

[ofrhz]

what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread

I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.

dude if you're just going to cherrypick posts that i voted in and not read anything else in my iso, then you're not going to walk away with an accurate read. like 389 was a bad post

[ofrhz]

VOTE: quick

[ofrhz]

that's two days in a row that the gosrir wagon has stalled only for us to quickly mislynch someone else. i think this means that it's very likely that scum have been stalwarts and were holding out on voting gosrir.

yesterday, we were at 5:3 where it's really hard for us to lynch scum without scum bussing. so if scum were really avoiding bussing their own partner (gosrir), that would explain the stupid af gamestate we had. especially given that town!quick didn't want to vote for gosrir, it would have been literally impossible for us to push that lynch through via hammer without the help of scum.

it's very likely gosrir is just scum here. i kind of want to just votepark gosrir today (

@tw and NM

- say something if you disagree with my logic here. well, NM you can just post a gif or something)

votecount

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Quick (5):

ceejayvinoya (345),

Ircher (356),

ofrhz (429),

Skygazer (441),

the worst (444),

there mechanically has to be scum on this wagon

based on the above and striking out tw, i think there's two scum in {cjv, ircher, sky}. i'm leaning towards sky and ircher, but NM's cjv vote is making me doubt that :/. if i'm wrong, i think i'm wrong about ircher/cjv.

pedit: .... idk how to feel about ircher's vote rn, and i have to go to work and i don't really have time to further process this. we're in lylo btw

[ofrhz]

Really need cj to chime in here

[ofrhz]

Uhhh were cjv, sky, and Ircher on at the same time? I wasn’t paying attention

[ofrhz]

VOTE: gosrir

[ofrhz]

L-1

[ofrhz]

God dammit

Well played scum!

I s2g the one time I don’t scumread tw, this happens.

[ofrhz]

Like, from town's PoV, that's really, really risky.

I was pretty sure tw was town and ended up confbiasing my scumread on Gosrir

[ofrhz]

I'm sorry everyone (and ofrhz in particular D': )

Gonna go read that delicious delicious eod3 flavour. ruru I want to eat your flavour. #fullhomo

Yeah, great flavor ruru! Gave me chills

Also my musings last night must’ve been hilarious in retrospect lol