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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:05 am

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In post 1074, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1054, EeveeLution Army wrote:You do realize its 10× better lynching pine than me right?
If i really am jailkeeper(which i am) i can still block scum tonight after pines gone. Its just more logical
Why would you say ‘if I really am a jailkeeper’? Seems strange. Why not just say ‘Because I am a jailkeeper’...?
Because it’s a post meant for other people.

I have used the same wording numerous times as both alignments and I am pretty sure I have done that this game.

Why pick on Evee for it and not me?

And furthermore what if I am right and Evee is fake claiming? If I am the protective ;) Y’all better learn to love the word if for the rest of the day.
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:54 am

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holy shit its been that long?

sorry im not all here this game
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:30 am

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In post 1063, LuckyOtter wrote:Eevee's seems more plausible and I don't see Eevee making that counter as scum at that moment.
Are you forgetting that eevee was being run up to be lynched when he claimed that
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:25 pm

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I mean, eevee got a couple votes after pine's claim but most of the heat was going to match, no? When I have time I'll check the actual vote count
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:33 pm

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In post 1078, LuckyOtter wrote:I mean, eevee got a couple votes after pine's claim but most of the heat was going to match, no? When I have time I'll check the actual vote count
He was at L-2, and in fact at the time of the claim I thought it was L-1 until I checked the vote count. They had both picked up an equal number of votes since Pine's claim.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:50 pm

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Ugh. UNVOTE: til I mull this over but yeah it changes things for me. I didn't realize eevee still had that many votes
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:56 pm

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In post 1075, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1074, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1054, EeveeLution Army wrote:You do realize its 10× better lynching pine than me right?
If i really am jailkeeper(which i am) i can still block scum tonight after pines gone. Its just more logical
Why would you say ‘if I really am a jailkeeper’? Seems strange. Why not just say ‘Because I am a jailkeeper’...?
Because it’s a post meant for other people.

I have used the same wording numerous times as both alignments and I am pretty sure I have done that this game.

Why pick on Evee for it and not me?

And furthermore what if I am right and Evee is fake claiming? If I am the protective ;) Y’all better learn to love the word if for the rest of the day.
Yes’m I think you are right that Eevee is fake claiming.
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:06 pm

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In post 1075, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1074, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1054, EeveeLution Army wrote:You do realize its 10× better lynching pine than me right?
If i really am jailkeeper(which i am) i can still block scum tonight after pines gone. Its just more logical
Why would you say ‘if I really am a jailkeeper’? Seems strange. Why not just say ‘Because I am a jailkeeper’...?
Because it’s a post meant for other people.

I have used the same wording numerous times as both alignments and I am pretty sure I have done that this game.

Why pick on Evee for it and not me?


And furthermore what if I am right and Evee is fake claiming? If I am the protective ;) Y’all better learn to love the word if for the rest of the day.
You didn’t answer the question.

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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:26 pm

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The reasoning is a double edged sword.
Town claims when they think they might end up dying too ya know. The number of votes on me before i claimed doesn't particularly show if im scum or not
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:31 pm

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In post 1082, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1075, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1074, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1054, EeveeLution Army wrote:You do realize its 10× better lynching pine than me right?
If i really am jailkeeper(which i am) i can still block scum tonight after pines gone. Its just more logical
Why would you say ‘if I really am a jailkeeper’? Seems strange. Why not just say ‘Because I am a jailkeeper’...?
Because it’s a post meant for other people.

I have used the same wording numerous times as both alignments and I am pretty sure I have done that this game.

Why pick on Evee for it and not me?


And furthermore what if I am right and Evee is fake claiming? If I am the protective ;) Y’all better learn to love the word if for the rest of the day.
You didn’t answer the question.

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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:32 pm

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EeveeLution Army wrote:The reasoning is a double edged sword.
Town claims when they think they might end up dying too ya know. The number of votes on me before i claimed doesn't particularly show if im scum or not
"Town might" is a strange way to talk about your own reasoning, Eevee. Did you in fact claim when you did because you were afraid of being lynched?
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:40 pm

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Eevee said they claimed because they "didn't think town was going to lynch pine"

Now they're talking about claiming while afraid of dying and the votes on them not showing if they're scum

Also like I said they were probably the lynch without that claim - I think they're scum who afraid of being lynched once their target claimed doctor decided to counterclaim and then push theory as for why their claim makes sense

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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:44 pm

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Is that hammer?
Also my role does make sense in this theme smh.
Also cant you have multiple reasons for doing things
Lastly the town might is a general statement not always specified
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:46 pm

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In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Eevee said they claimed because they "didn't think town was going to lynch pine"

Now they're talking about claiming while afraid of dying and the votes on them not showing if they're scum

Also like I said they were probably the lynch without that claim - I think they're scum who afraid of being lynched once their target claimed doctor decided to counterclaim and then push theory as for why their claim makes sense

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I wanted him to answer the question first to show a contradiction that he couldn't weasel out of by "explaining" what he really meant by that last post.

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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:50 pm

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In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Eevee said they claimed because they "didn't think town was going to lynch pine"

Now they're talking about claiming while afraid of dying and the votes on them not showing if they're scum

Also like I said they were probably the lynch without that claim - I think they're scum who afraid of being lynched once their target claimed doctor decided to counterclaim and then push theory as for why their claim makes sense

VOTE: EeveelutionArmy
This is stupid

The post by Army is clearly sarcasm.

Trinity saying she doesn’t read my posts is a fucking scum claim

If I die tonight fucking lynch Trinity
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:12 pm

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In post 1089, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Eevee said they claimed because they "didn't think town was going to lynch pine"

Now they're talking about claiming while afraid of dying and the votes on them not showing if they're scum

Also like I said they were probably the lynch without that claim - I think they're scum who afraid of being lynched once their target claimed doctor decided to counterclaim and then push theory as for why their claim makes sense

VOTE: EeveelutionArmy
This is stupid

The post by Army is clearly sarcasm.

Trinity saying she doesn’t read my posts is a fucking scum claim

If I die tonight fucking lynch Trinity
I have just read all your posts again and still cannot see anywhere were you said this.
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:14 pm

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Eevee's claim looked like he was making it when he did only because a wagon was building on him. That's a legitimate reason for anyone to claim, and really the only reason that scans for countering not immediately but after you're wagoned. I actually found it surprising when he said it was because "Pine might not get lynched," because that's something you kind of accept will happen when you choose not to counter right away. But when someone says "you only did this to survive" and you didn't, and you're town, you
deny it.
You don't explain why the thing you didn't do isn't a scumtell.

Eevee gave the reason he did before because he thought giving his real reason would reveal his scummy soul. The irony is that his real reason (being wagoned) was fine, and by getting caught in a lie he revealed it anyway.

Now he's saying "People can do things for multiple reasons." Not that he did, but that people can. This is weasel-wording. He means he did it for multiple reasons unless he's called on it, at which point he's not talking about himself, or more likely "not all statements about what people do have to be about me" and he still hasn't committed to a position on anything.

Literally the only way I don't hammer this is if MathBlade makes a hard bodyguard claim in his next post and Eevee retracts his claim in his. And even that's not a guarantee, just something I'll consider.
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 1063, LuckyOtter wrote:Speaking of Mafmen, he hasn't posted here since Monday, pre-claim business
@Mastina, prod please


If we're deciding between claims, Eevee's seems more plausible and I don't see Eevee making that counter as scum at that moment. Eevee's play does seem scummier but it just feels like a bad move lynching him.

If we're going to let the NK resolve it (which really isn't a bad idea), I have no clue anymore. Trinity keeps giving me bad vibes.
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Umlaut, most of your argumentation depends on associatives and there are a couple I'm not sure about. Maf's straight up "Pine is town without a doubt" seems pretty bold for a scumpartner, don't you think? If anything, it makes more sense to me if Maf is scum and knows Pine is town, or Maf is town and is just being opaque with his reads (as he seems to like to do, given that he called anyone who suspected you "daft" without explanation until asked for it).

The second problem is the Trinity+Eevee combo. Trinity was scumreading Pine, then after Eevee's counterclaim, scum!Trinity would have been able to sit on a Pine vote and stay out of the way and get the mislynch. Instead, scum!Trinity busses her partner who just counterclaimed? It seems equally plausible (or implausible) that scum!Trinity could have been trying to bus scum!Pine who appeared to be going down, then took the opportunity to change her mind as soon as Pine claimed (which she might have known he would do anyway). Following Eevee's counter, Trinity decides to believe Pine over Eevee, for pretty underwhelming reasons.

So I don't know. Sticking to Pine for now.
OK, so Otter I’ve been going backwards and forwards on MathBlade. I didn’t like him at first because he’d pushed really hard on Fuzzy, who turned out to be town, and I thought he’d been pretty instrumental in that mislynch. His posts have been cavalier and rude at times, and I asked him a few questions that he never bothered to answer. He has also tried to say I haven’t been reading posts, when I have. So I was finding him pretty tiresome and conflating that to mean he must be mafia. But, having done an ISO and reading all the posts at once, I think he has been scum hunting pretty hard, and I understand his reads on me, as I don’t tend to do the most in-depth posting, which leaves me open to being read as scum I guess. So I’m currently reading him as town, and am still all for lynching Eevee.
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:48 pm

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In post 1090, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 1089, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1086, Dunnstral wrote:Eevee said they claimed because they "didn't think town was going to lynch pine"

Now they're talking about claiming while afraid of dying and the votes on them not showing if they're scum

Also like I said they were probably the lynch without that claim - I think they're scum who afraid of being lynched once their target claimed doctor decided to counterclaim and then push theory as for why their claim makes sense

VOTE: EeveelutionArmy
This is stupid

The post by Army is clearly sarcasm.

Trinity saying she doesn’t read my posts is a fucking scum claim

If I die tonight fucking lynch Trinity
I have just read all your posts again and still cannot see anywhere were you said this.
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@Mastina, prod please


If we're deciding between claims, Eevee's seems more plausible and I don't see Eevee making that counter as scum at that moment. Eevee's play does seem scummier but it just feels like a bad move lynching him.

If we're going to let the NK resolve it (which really isn't a bad idea), I have no clue anymore. Trinity keeps giving me bad vibes.
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Umlaut, most of your argumentation depends on associatives and there are a couple I'm not sure about. Maf's straight up "Pine is town without a doubt" seems pretty bold for a scumpartner, don't you think? If anything, it makes more sense to me if Maf is scum and knows Pine is town, or Maf is town and is just being opaque with his reads (as he seems to like to do, given that he called anyone who suspected you "daft" without explanation until asked for it).

The second problem is the Trinity+Eevee combo. Trinity was scumreading Pine, then after Eevee's counterclaim, scum!Trinity would have been able to sit on a Pine vote and stay out of the way and get the mislynch. Instead, scum!Trinity busses her partner who just counterclaimed? It seems equally plausible (or implausible) that scum!Trinity could have been trying to bus scum!Pine who appeared to be going down, then took the opportunity to change her mind as soon as Pine claimed (which she might have known he would do anyway). Following Eevee's counter, Trinity decides to believe Pine over Eevee, for pretty underwhelming reasons.

So I don't know. Sticking to Pine for now.
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Then you’re not reading Trinity or you’re scum

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And I highly doubt you read all of my posts again unless you read greater than 200 WPM and if you did good luck on actually comprehending that shit, if anyone cares I can do the math later

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If I am a bodyguard that would be dumb as nails to do because that just ensures me as the NK and my top townread of the two gets lynched.

Scum want to remove a PR role today. Lynching in that only helps scum.

If I am the bodyguard then scum will have to kill me eventually, me Pine Army endgame just doesn’t happen
If I am not the bodyguard and we lynch Pine scum, scum kill Army as they have no choice unless they shoot me thinking I am giving Army an extra night.
If I am not the bodyguard and we lynch Army scum, scum kill Pine as they have no choice unless they shoot me thinking I am giving Pine an extra night.
This means scum KNOW they have to decide the wifom now else risk a conf Town tomorrow.

This also means if we lynch the scum right today and I am not the bodyguard scenario in the Pine town scenario no more saved kills. Army then has to guess who is actually going to shoot.

By forcing this to be open if you don’t think I am the bodyguard then you force scum to reveal to use who in Pine and Army is likely scum AND make sure the protective has a chance to save a kill.

If you think I am the bodyguard then please listen to your one PR role when they tell you to back off.

Scum are going to want to get rid of the PR. The proper play is always to force scum to NK PRs.

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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:22 pm

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daily reminder eevee is flipping town
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:31 pm

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i might replace out

but i hate to do such when im a replacement myself
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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:35 pm

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don't worry about that, just replace out if you think you can't play
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:08 am

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Hi friends. I have been V/LA for a couple of days and will continue to be until tomorrow evening.

I feel my case regarding Eevee vs myself is solid and speaks for itself. The prosecution rests.
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:49 am

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Im sorry what? You're like the only person without a good case on me lol?
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:51 am

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Your blatant cognitive dissonance is enough case for anyone imo.

The best case there though is checking my role PM and seeing mod confirmation that you're a lying scumfuck who lies like a lying liar.
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