SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Shoshin]

also one of the major reasons MWNNslot is town

What do you mean? Why town?

[Errantparabola]

ah... that page bottom...

[Shoshin]

10: Dunnstral
10: Fire Assassin
10: Chara
9: Taly
8: Espeonage
7: Punreader
6: MariaR
6: Srceenplay
5: Nahdia
5: the worst
4: Pine
4: Deasvail
3: Shoshin
2: TehBrawlGuy
1: PenguinPower
0: NicoRobin
0: Lovebird
0: Vaxkiller

Reminder that I had a mission involving Fire Assassin/Vaxkiller's rankings

The idea of ranking someone based on role rather than behavior/alignment is really concerning to me. I don't understand how anyone is townreading Dunn after this.

[Shoshin]

ah... that page bottom...

Can we switch our posts? lol...

[Shoshin]

Vax, your role isn't dependent on rankings at all?

[the worst]

D: no Chara

[the worst]

also one of the major reasons MWNNslot is town

What do you mean? Why town?

MWNN is someone I can read. I'm not inclined to out my tells on him too hard given they're current and extremely useful (a lot of people fuck up reading him ) but if it comes to a situation where we need to deal with that slot urgently I'm willing to elaborate a bit.

basically the way he called to strip away the bullshit and lynch people were actually scumreading is substantially more likely to come from town!him.

[Shoshin]

also one of the major reasons MWNNslot is town

What do you mean? Why town?

MWNN is someone I can read. I'm not inclined to out my tells on him too hard given they're current and extremely useful (a lot of people fuck up reading him ) but if it comes to a situation where we need to deal with that slot urgently I'm willing to elaborate a bit.

basically the way he called to strip away the bullshit and lynch people were actually scumreading is substantially more likely to come from town!him.

Didn't he push Fire instead of taking a position on me or Shepard? What's towny about that?

[Shoshin]

Whoever won the bet got to choose to vig, protect, or vanillaise the other.

Can confirm I have the same role

I don't see how this role is worth screwing with rankings. From either of these players.

[the worst]

not everyone plays town the way you play town, and MWNN is a fantastic example of that. also why is taking a stance on you or Shepard town indicative?

[Shoshin]

not everyone plays town the way you play town, and MWNN is a fantastic example of that. also why is taking a stance on you or Shepard town indicative?

I didn't say he plays town like me. I actually townread him for most of this game, in case you didn't realize. But I don't follow your reasoning, and right now I'm trying to sort you, not him.

[the worst]

sorry, I was in "sorting him" mode. you're not gonna be satisfied from this conversation tbh.

1. Should I not be scumreading you here?
2. Is taking a hard stance on you or Shepard town indicative? why/why not

[Shoshin]

sorry, I was in "sorting him" mode. you're not gonna be satisfied from this conversation tbh.

1. Should I not be scumreading you here?
2. Is taking a hard stance on you or Shepard town indicative? why/why not

1. You shouldn't be scumreading me because I'm town. But since I haven't given this game much time & effort yet, I understand why you might. If you're scumreading for reasons that don't have to do with my passivity/effort, that's a problem.

2. I don't think taking a stance on me or Shepard is AI by itself, but the reasoning underlying the stance might be. My point about MWNN has to do with the your reasoning, which isn't making much sense.

I'm starting to understand the difference between your town/scum play so I feel like discussing your reads/reasoning will help me get a better read on you now. I also know that you tend to townread people as scum in similar ways (paraphrasing, "this person is town because I actually know how to read them and this is definitely their town game" is something you've said as scum before).

[the worst]

that's something I'll say about players I know very well, as both town and scum.

[the worst]

will you be around for a bit? it might be easier to chat when I'm at a PC and can actually throw down more than 50 wpm

[Shoshin]

Yeah, I'll be around.

I'm rereading the game right now so I have a lot of questions/topics to discuss.

[the worst]

bring it awn. I oughta do the same.

[DeasVail]

Is anyone townreading the worst, Maria, or Dunn, and if so, why?

Only townreading Dunn out of the three.

[DeasVail]

Combination of towntells in his play (imo), fire’s result and espe interactions

[Shoshin]

Combination of towntells in his play (imo), fire’s result and espe interactions

What're the tells? Specific posts?

[DeasVail]

I’m on a camping/ski trip at the moment and my time is a bit limited, so I’ll get into more detail later, but I actually find the ranking based on role thing to be fairly town as town are more likely to get excited about a PR and have it excessively influence their play, while I feel scum would try harder to pretend to be scumhunting.

[Dunnstral]

Whoever won the bet got to choose to vig, protect, or vanillaise the other.

Can confirm I have the same role

I don't see how this role is worth screwing with rankings. From either of these players.

Our roles cancel out ranking wise

[Shoshin]

Can you explain your role, Dunn?

[Shoshin]

I’m on a camping/ski trip at the moment and my time is a bit limited, so I’ll get into more detail later, but I actually find the ranking based on role thing to be fairly town as town are more likely to get excited about a PR and have it excessively influence their play, while I feel scum would try harder to pretend to be scumhunting.

I think that's very player specific. Is it likely for Dunn? or Espe?

[Dunnstral]

Can you explain your role, Dunn?

I believe I've already explained it