So liek you said "what I do in my room is private". That implies you remained in your room yaknow?In post 1491, the worst wrote:no you're not. I did not do nothing last night
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yeh this is probs a good assessmentIn post 1531, Raskolnikov wrote:RealtalkIn post 1467, Raskolnikov wrote:I think xyzxyz might be scum he commented on hit and flub not dram. But he had opportunities to like in 1086 (at the end where he responded to taly)<Embrace The Void>
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Why are people calling A50 scum rn?In post 2377, Taly wrote:There's a better associative toProfii-A50thanXyzzy-A50imo
at least, it's very unlikely forProfii-Xyzzyteam.
I don't seeXyzzy-Skyeither.
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1 and 2 seem pretty par for A50's course tbh, as for 3 I'm not sure how to feel about that.In post 2401, Taly wrote:1) Claimed VT when it wasn't necessary.
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Just some of my predecessor's ISO to know what I should be looking at (plus current events)In post 2422, brassherald wrote:Gamma, have you read any of the game yet?<Embrace The Void>
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Any response to this?In post 2429, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Just some of my predecessor's ISO to know what I should be looking at (plus current events)In post 2422, brassherald wrote:Gamma, have you read any of the game yet?<Embrace The Void>
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holy balls that's a lot of words, but I read some of them and the post sounds solid logic-wiseIn post 2465, MagnaofIllusion wrote:~snip~
is sky a wagon rn?<Embrace The Void>
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Okay this read on me is ass-tastic. No real analysis of my content despite me feeling like there'sIn post 2482, xyzzy wrote:anyway it makes zero sense to me that scum profii would be arguing on behalf of their own lynch. like 2477 as a scum post just makes zero sense to me
here is a reads list I composed by going through my previous posts and noting who I have thought is scummy throughout the game; note that in the case of Gamma Emerald at the very bottom that's mostly because of HitAlt who was the Most Scummy Of All and I don't really have a strong opinion regarding Gamma Emerald in that slot yet. even though he's down there at the bottom I don't think it makes any sense to lynch him until we have a better sense of him since it's possible HitAlt was just doing a really bad job of being town.
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mafiasomethingto work with, and just spouting "HitAlt" wasn't town without any logic. This plus the fact I'm a claimed PR with considerable towncred make me really confident this is discrediting scum.<Embrace The Void>
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holy cheez whiz the votes are split
Can everyone list off their top 3 scumreads so we can have some consolidation?
For me it's xyzzy, skygazer, and I guess out of the other wagons I see HWS is the one I object least to so I'll put that as a third for now
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Doesn't that include...everyone?In post 2527, Taly wrote:why does the wagon im NOT on consist of all the people that have either NOT actually read my posts {Almost50 and Gamma/Andrius to an extent} or HAVE actually read my posts? {MOI, Rask, Inferno}<Embrace The Void>
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Chick is town anywayIn post 2562, HeWhoSwims wrote:Because I've been restricted to my phone in part. And because we all don't want to lynch Chick or Sky.
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rip the one guy I was most excited to play withIn post 2630, Andrius wrote:Pine, replace me.I've had no desire to play mafia for the past four days and I don't see it getting any better. Was fun at times and let's get some new blood who'll carry the cape when I don't care to play.
Chrono out.
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no it doesn'tIn post 2645, Ausuka wrote:It does answer what you're saying. You're just being dense or scum.<Embrace The Void>
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okay this makes senseIn post 2649, Ausuka wrote:
i'm saying that the vigpool is of players the majority read as scum, i.e not based on my own reads. this is because tw, as the vig, will realistically be looking to target players who are currently seen as scummy enough to get a major wagon, and although i want it to, this does not include Skygazer.In post 2648, Gamma Emerald wrote:
no it doesn'tIn post 2645, Ausuka wrote:It does answer what you're saying. You're just being dense or scum.
i'm fine with lynching xyzzy if we need to and if I really wanted to avoid that i wouldn't have defended profii. if that happens I'm fine with not targeting sky. all i'm doing is making sure that tw targets in the wagons so i can target outside that and he won't vig my target. as of now, Skygazer is not a wagon so she doesn't fit in the pool of lynchbait that i believe tw would be willing to shoot in.
is this clear enough or do i need to write more?
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isn't he a PR though
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what does the highlighted text mean?In post 2675, Raskolnikov wrote:oh yeah one thingerarooni
gamma/hitalt != brassherald from today (true)
and if xyzy flips town maybe look at brass abit because he kinda felt half hearted in his opposition to it<Embrace The Void>
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alrightIn post 2703, Almost50 wrote:
I dunno, but this doesn't look like scum trolling to me, and I just dunno whom to lynch anymore.In post 2670, xyzzy wrote:well hey maybe y'all'll get lucky and you'll just keep lynching town and nightkilling scum
UNVOTE:
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how is this unpopular given that Ausuka is clearing Rask? (this goes to everyone)In post 2714, Taly wrote:Rask/Ausuka is town.<Embrace The Void>
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what do you think sounding board meansIn post 2724, Inferno390 wrote:Andrius was MOI's "sounding board?"
I don't like that comparison, it sound suspiciously like MOI was just using him to make himself sound better....
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wait why is a50 claiming scumIn post 2756, Raskolnikov wrote:Ok almost
but let's say i didn't believe you when you say you're scum here and scumclaiming and what have you
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oh yeah, he actually looks pretty dedicated to solving thereIn post 2765, Raskolnikov wrote:viewtopic.php?t=76904&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go
SKY WHY ARE YOU SO DIFFERENT HERE
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okay I figured it probably got too ridiculous at some stage, I was praying for a ninja thread lockIn post 2750, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Also everyone can chill re:Worst's obvious trolling regading Rask. Regardless of theworst's actual alignment he has reasons to be obsfucating in what he expected was twilight about his target. Rask turns up dead and no obvious Town thought process body appears and hang the Serial Killer I mean theworst. It's pretty simple. Duckling isn't Town but he's not stupid either so the chances of him actually taking that shot are basically 0/100.
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No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.In post 2827, Inferno390 wrote:1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.<Embrace The Void>
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1) SK is not town.In post 2836, Inferno390 wrote:
1) SK is not scum and the fact that you are saying that makes my thing you are scum afraid of getting shot. You are throwing far too much shade the killing role’s direction.In post 2829, Ausuka wrote:1) no. SK is scum imo and the optimal play for anyone but tw who shot Dram is obviously to stay quiet and shoot tw at night.
2) andrius was obvtown and I doubt MOI faked an inno on his buddy like that. chick is town because Nosferatu is town.
3) hmmm it's almost like you don't need to literally case someone for them to be potential scum
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2) But by this, MOI is conftown, because Andy confirmed he got the banana.
3) Considering that most of the thread disagrees with you on brass!scum imo, a case would be appreciated. Thanks. Which is not to mention the fact that by throwing HWS and brass on the same level, you’re implying that there was 2 scum on Dram’s wagon...?
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Sounding board is more of a person you work with to make sure your thinking is rational, sorta like a logic proofreader.In post 2849, Inferno390 wrote:
I think that it means that you’re using a person or thing as a control for the things you say, so you can test whether or not they sound reasonable or not.In post 2845, Gamma Emerald wrote:
what do you think sounding board meansIn post 2724, Inferno390 wrote:Andrius was MOI's "sounding board?"
I don't like that comparison, it sound suspiciously like MOI was just using him to make himself sound better....
Keeping this in mind for later.
Which given the circumstances sounds like he’s saying he was using Andy’s willingness to agree with him to make his arguments sound better. Which is not something that would come from a town mindset.
Going to work on this case on MOI and try to have it done before the day is over.<Embrace The Void>
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I mean it's not an always town thing, but it's not as scummy as you make it out to beIn post 2854, Inferno390 wrote:But again, why does that come from town?
basically, CHILL.<Embrace The Void>
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SK is scum holy shitIn post 2858, Inferno390 wrote:
Hit verified he can kill and no one has stepped up to CC. Until someone does, he’s not scum, he’s vig or SK. So we do not lynch him until further notice.In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.In post 2827, Inferno390 wrote:1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.
SCUM = NOT TOWN HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS
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NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".In post 2865, Inferno390 wrote:Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?
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hmmm where's the scum kill then?In post 2867, Inferno390 wrote:
Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.In post 2866, Gamma Emerald wrote:
NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".In post 2865, Inferno390 wrote:Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?
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That's PROBABLY a misunderstanding from translating the EM role Granny to the MS role PGO, which are similar except for that distinctionIn post 2869, Inferno390 wrote:
Someone told me once that PGO doesn’t die if they are shot atIn post 2868, Gamma Emerald wrote:
hmmm where's the scum kill then?In post 2867, Inferno390 wrote:
Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.In post 2866, Gamma Emerald wrote:
NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".In post 2865, Inferno390 wrote:Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?
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Just check the wiki and this is obviously not true
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You know what I was opposing Profii on principle because of the fact he seemed to be what everyone wanted, but given what's written here plus general apathy towards this gameday I think I'm no longer in oppositionIn post 2887, Taly wrote:profii is selling himself to the rope, and I could just lynch that because it's a shitshow of WIFOM.
xyzzy isn't around when he should be, but he's been unhelpful.
I just forgot HWS was in this game, so why not lynch that since scum would supposedly be demotivated and he could be scum anyway?
A50 is ?????? - reasons to think they're town and scum
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Uhhmm what are you even saying hereIn post 2905, Jingle wrote:My guess from setup spec perspective is Gamma is probscum, but should definitely be left alive til late as he's a source of valuable valuable lunchmeats regardless of alignments.<Embrace The Void>
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Firstly it was HitAlt who claimed the result, and it was only claimed that tw did a kill, he said he killed dramIn post 2915, Jingle wrote:Quick question claim wise, did Gemerald claim that the worst killed dram or did the worst claim the kill after Gemerald claimed to know whodoneit?<Embrace The Void>
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my role isn't hardclearing until scum are mostly gone, for now I can only get "guilties"In post 2924, HeWhoSwims wrote:Finally someone who refers to me as Harold
I think it's a bad idea to count all innocents as "never lynch", won't there be 2 or 3 or even 4 innos a night if Gamma, Andrius, Ausuka and moi are all alive?<Embrace The Void>
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Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*In post 2934, Ausuka wrote:
That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.In post 2933, Raskolnikov wrote:no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
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arguing for his own lynch basicallyIn post 2954, Jingle wrote:What does "profii is selling himself to the rope" mean?<Embrace The Void>
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the multiball spec is just not something I want to deal withIn post 2956, Ausuka wrote:
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Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*In post 2934, Ausuka wrote:
That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.In post 2933, Raskolnikov wrote:no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
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actually the original intent of fruit vendor is to be tracker-cleared (yes I'm a nerd, get over it)In post 2973, the worst wrote:They're a meme role originally but the current normal rules have lots of cool modifiers
e.g. loyal fruit vendor only gives fruit to people of the same alignment so can be cleared by fruit receiver claiming first
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Oh man that's some tasty shitIn post 3013, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Note to self - go back and see if any multiball theory floaters also are on the “Xyzzy is a Dram counterwagon” train because those thoughts are pretty antithetical to a Town mindset if posited together.
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I think I'm probably down with that as well
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so like can we fuck off about disloyal FV? If scum have FV it's probably regular, not frillsIn post 3157, Ausuka wrote:
I don't get the point of the speculation about modifiers. What conclusion can we reach from that? What do I, as scum, gain from clearing a player who speculated about a Mafia disloyal fruit vendor?In post 3156, profii wrote:Oh and the other fishy thing that’s making me consider things is that Ausuka targeted he person who initially suggested quite early on that the 2 vendors can be loyal/disloyal - opposite sides
No ones called that out and no ones callled out the random difference in xshot modifiers so idk, seems off
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Jr is fucking who?In post 3171, brassherald wrote:Wait, who did the worst shoot? Who did Jingle visit?
Who killed A50?
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what no what role would even do thatIn post 3184, brassherald wrote:I'd still like someone to provide an explanation as to where the Mafia kill went.
I did not activate a BP shot last night, so I know it was not me this time, but I'm kind of concerned that we have only had 2 NKs, a person who claims he can see all attempts at NKs who has not revealed anyone other than the worst who had already claimed.
I had to look this up, but Gamma is hitalt, and hitalt claimed to see all attempts at kills, I want answers from Gamma, who has made kill attempts? Who was the second shooter Night 1 that hitalt kept alluding to?
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yeah that's basically itIn post 3192, profii wrote:Actually I think the confusion was hit alt said he had 2 results and someone else said he can hear all kills - then it perpetuates
I imagine HitAlt had 1 result - his PR, 2nd result - loud protective, then someone got confused
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if mafia have a loud tracker what was the one on me? where's the other loud if both loud doc and loud tracker are active?In post 3212, Jingle wrote:
I cannot answer this question. And the plan is very contingent on the worst being willing to holster.In post 3208, Ausuka wrote:Why is no lynch favourable to HWS lynch?
I am not of the opinion that your loud visitor was necessarily the doctor. They could just as easily have been a tracker. Further, if both you and MoI are town and they have one tracker, they should still try to kill you.
Oh... Given that fruits seem to vary by night but remain the same between you and MoI, claims should happen like this:
Fruit/No Fruit in the first 3 days of the phase. Loud/no loud claim after that. Fruit vendors claim which fruit recipient was their target after that. Fruit recipient of loud claims what fruit. Fruit recipient of no loud claims what fruit.<Embrace The Void>
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Yeah now that I think about this I agree whole heartedly about jingle's plan being horribadIn post 3224, Raskolnikov wrote:We're not no lynching and jingles actually pushing some really scummy shit right now
like we no lynch and follow the cop when we don't have the roles that can help proven (I'm not very useful, this refers the Ausuka and MOI)? This is just putting the game in scum's hands imo.
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