Micro 812 - The Arena II - Game Over

[BNL]

VC 6.2

Irrelephant11 (0) -
Flubbernugget (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Something_Smart, Dunnstral

Mod notes:
With 2 votes in play it takes 2 to lynch
The deadline is 31 July 10am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-07-31 10:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

Mod: I will be V/LA from today until Monday.

Noted -BNL

[Dunnstral]

Unique logic that seems hard to think of as scum
Or a smart way to avoid going up against someone who might win a challenge hmmm

I didn't have SS as town until that happened though, I don't think they would have won th challenge

I don't see why you say hammering Not_Mafia day 2 was scummy

[Irrelephant11]

Hammering a partner just doesn't deserve the same towncred as starting the wagon, which for some reason is how I had remembered it. It's more NAI and that was me losing my townread there

Yeah fair they probably wouldn't have won the challenge

I guess there's just WIFOM in every remaining slot fmpov

I know that one of these is true:
- SS challenges two players likely to challenge him early on
- Flub challenges his scum partner and then does a mediocre job of claiming the towncred (though maybe this should actually point me back to him, don't want to be too obvious)
- Dunn and NM had some bold partner theater D1 about "I'd make my partner do it" "Well that would require your partner being willing" *wink wink nudge nudge*


Like I said I don't think you're that scummy compared to the other two but the last one is the smallest leap in logic

[Dunnstral]

I was starting the wagon on day 1, that's what you remembered

[Dunnstral]

Day 2 Blackstar votes N_M, then I vote N_M, then 3 other people vote scioness Sajj after that and blackstar moves to scioness sajj

[Dunnstral]

Not fully caught up

It's really weird that you gladiated me and are pressuring ss as scum

How much have you read

[BNL]

Flubbernugget has been prodded

[Flubbernugget]

I just finished reading up, but I don't remember who irrelephant is scum reading, and they way he's starting to consider a small handful of players scum is anti town at best

[Flubbernugget]

I get the whole generating content thing but there's better ways to do it than paranoia

[Flubbernugget]

The best I have for a scum read atm is ss over the early game but that's really meh

[Irrelephant11]

Prod dodging to say I think SS makes the most sense, though I’m curious to hear Flub and SS’s thoughts on Dunn’s potential scum theater D1 with NM. Was NM trying to shade Dunn in advance of his own flip? Or lampshade their shared alignment?

I’m really clueless and paranoid, sorry. I’ll try to clear up my paranoia before day end but this happens to me sometimes

[BNL]

Something_Smart has been poked

Dunnstral has been prodded

[Dunnstral]

I think the easiest answer is it's Irrelephant still and he needs to get 2 lynches

[Flubbernugget]

I'm not seeing dunn and nm as scum theater

[Irrelephant11]

K then I think it's Something_Smart

Sorry for paranoia I really feel like I've ruined things. I do wish y'all would engage more because unfortunately I am town and I'm one more pair of eyes before you lynch me

But also I still find it weird how Dunn and SS aren't interacting, like you don't agree on the lynch hello

[Something_Smart]

Back from V/LA.

I don't really remember how much of my reasoning I shared. But I townread Irrelephant for the same reason I townread Mylo; he showed significant support for a plan that would lose him the game if carried out.

And I don't think Flubber deserves much credit for challenging Not_Mafia, because Not_Mafia is someone who rarely gets near endgame as scum. (In fact it would be really weird to challenge Not_Mafia after it was the consensus that Not_Mafia was town for being chosen, so maybe it does in fact demonstrate extra information.)

[Flubbernugget]

Scum has a lot of controll over not getting their partner lynched so that makes him a lot more likely to approach endgame

[Something_Smart]

Scum has a lot of controll over not getting their partner lynched

Clearly not...

[Irrelephant11]

(In fact it would be really weird to challenge Not_Mafia after it was the consensus that Not_Mafia was town for being chosen, so maybe it does in fact demonstrate extra information.)

Actually this is v true.

My dunnstral paranoia is gone, his game looks the most like I would want town to look this game. Looking at things from a "who might be scum" the answer was "Everyone", but looking at things from "whose game includes the most towny moments that would be hard to fake as scum" and the answer is 100% dunn, followed by ss.

I'm somewhere around ~66% flub/30% ss/3% dunnstral

Dunnstral, if you think SS is more likely scum than flubber you should definitely vote me. If you think flubber is more likely than SS I'm not as sure (given you thinking I'm most likely scum). Obviously I would personally like to stay alive somewhat because fmpov that allows for more opportunities to hit scum, but I also want to avoid the situation where I come to lylo as the scummiest looking player and end up in a tvt, which does not allow for town win at all. So like from your pov Dunn I might be the better lynch, but I'd really love to hear you settle on SSvFlub before you lynch me.

@Mod, given the number of prods and two of us being v/la over the weekend can I request 24 hour extension?

[Dunnstral]

(In fact it would be really weird to challenge Not_Mafia after it was the consensus that Not_Mafia was town for being chosen, so maybe it does in fact demonstrate extra information.)

Actually this is v true.

My dunnstral paranoia is gone, his game looks the most like I would want town to look this game. Looking at things from a "who might be scum" the answer was "Everyone", but looking at things from "whose game includes the most towny moments that would be hard to fake as scum" and the answer is 100% dunn, followed by ss.

I'm somewhere around ~66% flub/30% ss/3% dunnstral

Dunnstral, if you think SS is more likely scum than flubber you should definitely vote me. If you think flubber is more likely than SS I'm not as sure (given you thinking I'm most likely scum). Obviously I would personally like to stay alive somewhat because fmpov that allows for more opportunities to hit scum, but I also want to avoid the situation where I come to lylo as the scummiest looking player and end up in a tvt, which does not allow for town win at all. So like from your pov Dunn I might be the better lynch, but I'd really love to hear you settle on SSvFlub before you lynch me.

@Mod, given the number of prods and two of us being v/la over the weekend can I request 24 hour extension?

This is a surprise because I thought you were leaning towards ss as scum

Actually you say as much in post 415 above, so what changed for you?

[Dunnstral]

I just finished reading up, but I don't remember who irrelephant is scum reading, and they way he's starting to consider a small handful of players scum is anti town at best

The best I have for a scum read atm is ss over the early game but that's really meh

I can't tell if 408 was a scumread on irrelephant or if you think it was just anti-town

[Dunnstral]

And yes I see the deadline today

[Irrelephant11]

My paranoia mostly went away. When I was looking for hard-to-fake-as-town things I thought on balance the fact multiple people who were willing to gladiate SS getting chosen should count more in his favor. Flub gladiating NM looks scummier again because we know NM is willing to do WIFOMy things.

I'm pretty paranoid as town and it makes my reads fluctuate and it makes it harder for me to be townread. I'm working on it

[Flubbernugget]

Scum has a lot of controll over not getting their partner lynched

Clearly not...

Well I guess I didn't bus nm then, huh?