micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[stungun0404]

ego

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VOTE: Aronis

[stungun0404]

wow already voting me you guys are mean

thought i’d give you a warm welcome; don’t think i’ve played with you before!

Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404

you’re so kind - thanks for extending a welcome vote to me

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, are you town this game?

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, are you town this game?

Unfortunately

i kinda want to believe you.

i considered voting you in my first post, but then thought “Kokichi might be one of the easiest players in this game to have a quicklynch form on.” i don’t want a quick mislynch, but i’m ok with pressure applied to you, just not with me on it atm. this is all given that only 5 votes are needed to lynch someone.

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VOTE: Creature
i’ve had a hard time putting you away in my last two games where you were scum.

[stungun0404]

i considered voting you in my first post, but then thought “Kokichi might be one of the easiest players in this game to have a quicklynch form on.” i don’t want a quick mislynch, but i’m ok with pressure applied to you, just not with me on it atm. this is all given that only 5 votes are needed to lynch someone.

I mean, I'm pretty sure no one will be lynched on page 1 but ok?

happened in a marathon game with yuurei when she was actually scum, lmao. but her team still won because of lack of associative info :-X

so you never know

[stungun0404]

Also yeah, what's so locktown about Stungun's entrance?

even i'm curious about this, lol.

i'm not surprised shoshin formed an early tr, but i'm kinda surprised it's on me

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i can’t help but agree that shoshin feels a bit off, but this is still a little consistent with her town meta, i believe. i’ve played with her before, and i think she does throw out reaction tests from time to time. not sure if she does that as scum or not

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you taking a townread back is what feels off to me. i’ve never seen you do that shoshin

[stungun0404]

you taking a townread back is what feels off to me. i’ve never seen you do that shoshin

What's scummy about faking an early townread for reactions?

i’m not saying it’s scummy, it’s just i don’t think i would ever fake a townread. maybe i’m wrong, but i don’t think it’s the best reaction test.

i think faking a scumread might be a better move than faking a townread

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Why do you say it feels off then it's not scummy?

Okay but why are you arguing best reaction test and methods.of better play as opposed to what it means about shoshins alignment? Do you think her making "not the best" reaction tests is meaningful?

is she searching for a scummy reaction or not is ultimately what i have to question there. in taking back a townread, what scummy reaction could you possibly get?

but i’ll digress on this point so we can move on. i don’t know what her intent is

[stungun0404]

lovely,

L-2

[stungun0404]

Why do you say it feels off then it's not scummy?

it feels off because i’ve never seen her in her townplay take back a townread, or even a scumread for that matter

it’s almost like she wanted me to look scummy here. tell me, if you were fake townread and people ended up voting you, would you be on the defense or not?

[stungun0404]

like in the sense that she faked it and took it back

[stungun0404]

i think kokichi is town fwiw. his answer seemed like kokichi-town

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i tend to flounder more often when i’m town than when i’m scum. like you’ll see me argue a lot more aggressively, and i’ll actively look like lynchbait. whereas when i’m scum i am very calm and methodical with how i respond to any votes against me, and tend not to really ever be a d1 lynch target.

now if i happen to get lynched for some reason, i think profii is the most sketchy on my wagon atm.

at least the reasons shoshin and gif are on there are alright, but the fact that he’s stayed glued on there so far looks kinda icky to me when it’s based off no reason.

VOTE: profii

[stungun0404]

early gut reads

kokichi - town
shoshin - townlean
gif - townlean
nicorobin - nulltown
aronis - nulltown
creature - nullscum
nsg - nullscum
profii - scumlean

[stungun0404]

shoshin is gif’s partner

[stungun0404]

Actually we're just friends

are you sure you’re not friemds?


also, i think gif is more likely to be scum than shoshin, but i can see a town rc/gif here tunneling me incorrectly on d1.

[stungun0404]

i think kokichi is town fwiw. his answer seemed like kokichi-town

No idea why you think you can read me when we've never played together. What is your alt?

yt2980; i’ve played with you multiple times

[stungun0404]

You just said you were were townreading me.

i am townleaning on you, but in comparison i’d sooner think you are scum than shoshin here

[stungun0404]

Why is that even something you talk about?

Why are you talking about who is more likely to be town among your townreads instead of looking for scum

rvs is where scum tend to hide from my experience. i think they are lurking right now, actively smirking at the fact that i’m a lynchwagob

[stungun0404]

2). i think it’s paranoia more than anything that i talk about that, because every time i’ve been lynched d1 as town all scum have been on my wagon

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@kokichi, are you town this game?

seriously guys, what is scum about this? when shoshin even actively encouraged me to join the wagon. i would so do that if i were scum.

in fact, i did something like that in newbie 1875 where espeonage basically encouraged me to vote for himself, LMAO.

i would take advantage of that if i were scum, but i think independently when i am town

[stungun0404]

seriously guys, what is scum about this? when shoshin even actively encouraged me to join the wagon. i would so do that if i were scum.

I'm pretty sure you interpreted that as a reaction test...

truthfully, i did not.

seriously guys, what is scum about this? when shoshin even actively encouraged me to join the wagon. i would so do that if i were scum.

I'm pretty sure you interpreted that as a reaction test...

Why are you townreading Aronis?

tone is why i nulltown read him. i could see him as scum, but his tone doesn’t seem scummy to me. it’s very nuanced, but it’s enough to put him at nulltown.

nulltown does not mean i explicitly townread him; he’s still rather null

[stungun0404]

my safari keeps doubling up on quotes, so that may happen by accident a lot

[stungun0404]

anyways, I’M HARDCLAIMING BIRTHDAY BECAUSE 8/16 is my birthday and this is micro 816! ha.

[stungun0404]

profii-aronis i could actually see as a scum team for real

[stungun0404]

Hey Stun, why aren't I locktown yet?

i don’t locktown people ever in rvs unless it’s clear they are locktown.

you are inching your way there slowly, but i’m not quite there yet

[stungun0404]

oh no, my name’s been bloody murdered so far by scum team specs. what am i gonna do?

I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun

what if it's profii/stungun

Profii is Stun's partner.

i think my name is the only one that shown up in every partner spec so far. something should feel off about that.

has something similar this happened d1 when i’ve been town? i believe so. when i’m scum? no, that has not happened and probably won’t.

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Hey Stun & Aronis, help us lynch Kokichi!

I plan on it! I'm just waiting for them to get to L-1 so I can quickhammer

couldn’t tell if this was for real or a joke, but the two interpretations would make a big world of difference here

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, are you town this game?

I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!

same with this, even though this read more jokey

[stungun0404]

What do you think of Kokichi's line about masons?

Ego

have to wait something interesting happen yet

still bored?

I think that I think nothing. I know that I know nothing.

so you’re not informed? good to note.

What do you think of Kokichi's line about masons?

i don’t recall seeing this, idk if there’s any need to bring attention to it either.

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if shoshin is a weak scum player they're probably town but in my experience I'm never this lucky to have town correctly reading me this early and it's usually scum pocketing.

it would be really heartwarming if she was town but that's not usually the case.

i tend to be very difficult to townread on the bat on d1 too, unless i’m scum, lol. idk why that’s the case

[stungun0404]

the frustrating fact is that shoshin can sometimes look super scummy in her townplay.

question is: does she look that scummy as scum?

[stungun0404]

Why are you so sure profii would be the partner? What's with the excessive focus on Aronis? Why should you have been locktown to Stun?

Stun busses. That's his meta. So voting profii when he's under pressure made a lot of sense.

My focus on Aronis isn't excessive? That's an odd interpretation. Very odd.

Stun should have read me as locktown for reasons I'll talk about later.

i have scum games i can prove to you where i haven’t bussed at all.

never think i don’t play scum games differently. dangerous territory

[stungun0404]

the frustrating fact is that shoshin can sometimes look super scummy in her townplay.

Not true. Where'd you even get that idea?

[redacted] reason i can’t reveal yet

[stungun0404]

i tend to flounder more often when i’m town than when i’m scum. like you’ll see me argue a lot more aggressively, and i’ll actively look like lynchbait. whereas when i’m scum i am very calm and methodical with how i respond to any votes against me, and tend not to really ever be a d1 lynch target.

now if i happen to get lynched for some reason, i think profii is the most sketchy on my wagon atm.

at least the reasons shoshin and gif are on there are alright, but the fact that he’s stayed glued on there so far looks kinda icky to me when it’s based off no reason.

VOTE: profii

Tell me about how my RVS vote is sketchy lol

it seemed kinda linger-y and intrigued me how all of your first three posts remain steady on the topic of “stungun-this”, “stungun-that”. are you actively sorting other players?

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i think it’s definitely a stretch to locktown nsg off 1 post. @aronis, how many games of experience do you have to your credit with nsg?

[stungun0404]

why is everyone so scummy this game

lol, you’re admitting that nsg’s first post has held up pretty well with that comment

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@profii, i like that you are giving me a map of your thought processes there. i just wiki’d you, and it seems you do well as both town and scum, but especially scum so i’m aware we should watch out for you in this game if you are scum

[stungun0404]

aronis might be town

[stungun0404]

profii

[stungun0404]

profii, i said i flounder as town though but not as scum (mainly because i don’t fight with the same type of energy when i’m being scumread when scum).

you also seem to think i’m the optimal vote since your vote is still there, why is that?

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@profii, what are your thoughts on nsg’s opening post? does it indicate anything to you?

and if you had to make an earlier reads list, where do you stand on everyone thus far?

[stungun0404]

stungun0404 (3): profii, GirlInFreezer, Shoshin

Yah, get off

creature's likely to be town this game. he got me mislynched in lynchpin mafia on d1, where him and nsg were scum, so him discouraging a repeat of that with this comment reads like it's likely to be coming from town creature. basically, the only thing that limits my thinking here is that he stated it after the wagon has already died down, so i don't know --> could be genuine, but could also see it being a wise placement of pocketing (but i find this so much less likely; it depends on whether creature!scum pockets players which i don't really think he does). so i feel safe to assume creature is town for now. occam's razor takes effect!

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VOTE: Northsidegal

because she tends to lurk past me when she is scum. i don't want to see that in this game

[stungun0404]

VOTE: nsg

broken record, but the lurkier she is the scummier she is

[stungun0404]

teach, I thought about what to do N1, and basically just followed advice I’ve heard for jailkeep - when there’s multiple scum, JK is doctor, and when there’s only one, they’re cop. Good thoughts though!

Thanks Reck!

also, dear jailkeeper: which may or may not be me.

this is some really good advice for how to use the jk role to find scum that recently helped irrelephant’s town faction beat scum me in lylo.

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nsg is pretty heavy scum vibes, so far actually, given that i replaced into a game on my alt where she was scum and she lurked prior but then i was lynched on the basis of her lurking meta as scum without anything to do with my play.

i was lynched within a day of the start of that day phase. wisdom tunneled me

[stungun0404]

and that was with 7 votes needed to lynch me

[stungun0404]

good decision! pressure on her is always useful when she is playing up to her lurkier meta, because it is a serious tendency for her as scum

wisdom even went as far as to tell me that game that she doesn’t do that as town

i’m not suggesting we lynch her, but rather use votes to sort her given that she’s already past prod timing

[stungun0404]

if it keeps her lurking, that’s as sure of a scum sign as we’ll get from nsg... just saying!

[stungun0404]

profii-nsg looks plausible to me

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on top of page 12 rn, note that.

@shoshin, your case upholds my impression of profii. i think he’s scummy so far for tunneling his vote up to page 11 on me for like no general reason. also, when a player shows a lack of hard stances in their scum game, but a willingness to commit to such in a town game, that speaks volume towards their scumminess.

so yes profii and nsg still can make sense as scum to me.

nsg has done nothing in this thread, and so there would be no reason for profii to talk about her if they are partners. i’d assume he’s decent at avoiding associatives given that according to profii’s wiki, his scum team’s won 75% of the games he’s been in.

and also rc, scum mentions i feel is not a reliable scumtell at all. in fact, i used such in a recent scum game (newbie 1875) to try and get teacher voted out in LYLO. my partner platfleece mentioned HIM 26 times in his ISO, and my slot only 3 times.

26-3 is an utter defeat of town mentions over scum partner mentions

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I actually like that page topping post from Shoshin there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far

i’m holding you accountable for this read moving forward

like it’s not even really a hard stance

shoshin is definitely town so far given her priorities scream shoshin town to me. can you make that sort of a statement? that would look much better and not look like trying to actively avoid taking hard stances.

if she’s scum fooling me, i’d eat my hat, but i definitely can’t see this being a shoshin scum affair so far.


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even aronis is taking many hard stances (conftown stance on page 12 of shoshin; committing to a full reads list this early). i’m inclined to find that to be town townhunting and scumhunting, so early townlean on aronis for taking so many hard stance.

i find it incredibly sketchy that profii has not taken even one.

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to be clear, the statement i asked profii about there was indeed a statement i am feeling early on in this game

[stungun0404]

good, 283 profii takes some stances, but heavily favored in terms of finding players scummy (more scum than town mentions which looks bad to me).

especially when he says i’m probably not scum, but he kept his vote on me all the way up until the later aronis vote off memory.

and he also mentioned aronis as being a scumplayer’s dream (implying thinking aronis town), then later turns around and votes him. i don’t get that progression. he’s either scum or he’s not scum, now he’s scum to you?

[stungun0404]

hmm, profii i to an extent do like that you found a town game where nsg started off lurkier. but tbch, i’m pretty sure she does this a lot more as scum than town, i say that from both my own experiences and how her meta sitewide is known as doing such. she’s even mentioned it herself in one game, that she tends to flake out of games as scum.

@gif, as of page 12 what made you townread profii?

still catching up!

[stungun0404]

I don't know what to say more like

More gut feeling than anything concrete

i mean, i could make an argument for potential profii town—so idk what you mean that you can’t back it up with substance. that would be that he’s been putting himself on display here with his content early on (votes with little to no attributable reason on me and now aronis), BUT i don’t think that was intentional for him to put himself on display like this early on and thus i’m scumreading him for it because his content is so easy for scum to produce. his AtE’s aren’t even convincing me.

VOTE: profii

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What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.

[stungun0404]

or am i misinterpreting that case as being about profii? cause it wasn’t clear

[stungun0404]

good profii, i like that you took a stance! but why do you feel shoshin and i are in that PoE scumpool? and you haven’t attacked any townreads on shoshin? you did on me early on.

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i will cut in to say nsg is right about probability > possibility being the optimal way to go, that’s why you hear occam’s razor referred to so often.

there probably isn’t a 100% towntell, but there are certain things that i’d argue are SO unlikely to come from scum that they are almost universally town. i’m not going to say what those are, just because i don’t want scum getting an idea of what i would universally townread.

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@kokichi: i’m kinda curious, what did nsg hard townread for you in that game where you were scum?

[stungun0404]

*townread you for

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nicorobin is in prod range,

but still an early slight townlean for me i will voice because he has an almost perfect tendency of not really checking into his town games — like not caring about anything and staying laidback/not producing game-changing votes, whereas he tends to show serious investment in his scum games (this is very provable by his meta if one investigates it).

that said, this is no reason to discount him so far, but i’m thinking he’s probably town

[stungun0404]

*she’s probably town

[stungun0404]

Anyway, back to NSG. Who's her partner?

so far, probably profii.

nothing that has happened so far has swayed me differently regarding either of them.

but idk who you’re asking this question to tbh

[stungun0404]

I'm honestly not convinced Stungun is town.

elaborate about your worries please

[stungun0404]

mostly a bunch of phrasing tendencies that point towards scum more often than town.

you know as well as anybody i can be a confusing player to sort though :p

like, even when i’m town i can be kind of scummy, as in lynchpin mafia where i’ll concede my vote on you would have probably looked scummy if i were a different townplayer that game

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Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum
His 180 on you due to the meta stuff doesn't really feel like scum even if it's objectively -bad-

I think he's just a scummy dude and my experience has shown that

you were a fuckton more substantive in lynchpin.

rc, check my scum games —> apart from transformers, you can check newbie 1875 where i actually made it to lylo after bussing my partner on d1 because i had literally no other option but to bus her d1. my partner there would not follow through with any of the plans i suggested in the scum pt, and it was frustrating me that the focus that day phase would not stay on a townplayer for very long before circling back to her, so i just decided to bus her.

as a result of looking at that, you’ll see that is nai for me to produce wallposts.

there’s really not a lot that’s pinged me so far, ASIDE from profii’s posts still have a relative lack of substance. i mean, sure he feels 1/3 players are scum. aronis likeliest, but that still isn’t really a hard stance.

nsg also just seems generally scummy, so nothing has changed for me

if i had to make a compromise option, there’s one thing that bothers me about aronis and that was his early advocating (even joking) of a quicklynch of kokichi, and there’s one of thing that bothers me regarding you rc, and that’s that i feel your content is reproducible by scum so far, but i have no idea how you play as scum and will have to meta scum you to draw some conclusions

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Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

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because it just popped in my head.

do you ever have a lightbulb go off that suggests “hey there’s a chance this person might be town and not scum” after you think about something. i still think he’s scummier overall, though, as his overall body of work pings me as scummy and not quite towny overall

but i’m sorting you right here because your answer is important, so focus

and i’m about to ask the mod if a comment i can make here is acceptable regarding my partner/the gamestate

[stungun0404]

by partner i mean friemd

[stungun0404]

@nicorobin, what do you think of profii so far?

[stungun0404]

shoshin, you think nsg is top tier town so far.

ok wtf is going on here

[stungun0404]

shoshin you think profii is townier than me? you townread me in an earlier post on like page 14 or 15 and never explained your reason why. but why is it?


my reads are still consistent, and if anything similar reads are super duper strange this early in the game in a nine player game that supposedly has a bunch of players that are hard to sort



stungun, shoshin
nicorobin (go meta her replace out games and scum games and you’ll see why i think this)
kokichi
aronis
creature
nsg
profii


your case shoshin had me convinced on profii-scum. if i have not changed at all, i don’t understand what has made you do so, but it’s strange

i’m going to bed tho here shortly, cuz i have to get up early. be back tomorrow

and also will reevaluate things and try to make some more substantive posts either tomorrow or the following day

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oh i forgot gif, put gif in between nico and kokichi

[stungun0404]

shoshin you think profii is townier than me?

Why is that a concern for you?

this would be a drastic change of her reads, so why shouldn't i be concerned if without reason? she stated you as a clear scum lean provable by meta and me as town on like page 14. it wouldn't have made sense for her to change her mind that much on both of us that quickly


also, i'm talking with my friemd about sth right now, but gif certainly looks scummier to me for a particular push he made. i just want to see if my friemd sees what i'm seeing

[stungun0404]

@nicorobin, what do you think of profii so far?

@nicorobin, right here!

[stungun0404]

my friemd and i just discussed things, and rc you’re looking pretty bad. both your push against me being scum and your push against creature being scum are weak sauce that we both feel like town you would not ever be pushing these cases against us right now. this seems unnaturally scummy coming from you, and my friemd informed me of some double reverse psychology you pulled in a newbie game as scum,

so with that
VOTE: GirlInFreezer

[stungun0404]

omgus - wow. who knew you’d do that?

[stungun0404]

lmao,

check my scum game —> newbie 1875 where i was lamist-y as hell as scum. i ain’t that shit this game

if you happen to be town for some reason, do note you seen me in a MULTIBALL game where i explicitly stated that my strategy was to not get many townreads because of opposing scum faction and to not get many scumreads because of the day vig. it was a balancing act, so if you saw sth there that you thought was scummy, that shit don’t apply in a game that’s straight-up town vs. scum, soz.

i genuinely think town you would already catch on this, though.

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you literally used amount of times a player mentioned a player as a reasonable scumtell. if that ain’t scummy, then what is? i literally did that 2 scum games ago

like, things are starting to make sense in a light where i see you as scum

you’ve had your vote literally everywhere this day phase, which does not seem like town you on the surface at all. in fact, i’m pretty sure i remember a quite different approach in your town game in lynchpin. you didn’t seem to change your vote on a whim that ofgen. it’s like your trying intentfully to beget scummy reactions out of everyone

quick look at your voting pattern so far: kokichi (easy rvs mislynch wagon i established), stungun (once wagon gained momentum, seized the opportunity), shoshin, nsg (lurky lurky mislynch, right?), aronis, shoshin, aronis, creature, nsg, nsg, creature, stungun
that’s 12 votes. note, not one on profii.

i don’t think town you moves your vote this much this early. it reads like you’re trying to fake being town and not actually being town, knowing your townplay

look at your lynchpin vote changes, where you were a vanilla townie that replaced out towards the end of d1: nsg-creature(both scum caught first two votes)-unreal seal-radiant cowbells (self vote)-stungun
proof: viewtopic.php?p=10217470&user_select%5B ... #p10217470


this was over the majority of the day phase and reads like a far more natural progression than what you have put up so far. thus, you are probably scum here


viewtopic.php?f=84&t=76401

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to be clear, i think he unvoted between nsg votes there

[stungun0404]

your partner is gemini who was scum in a game where I was cycling votes on everyone and is therefore fully familiar with that as a playstyle from me and given that you claim to have talked to her about this read that's an implausible line of reasoning for town you to go off of.

we didn’t talk about the voting pattern

i’ve just said we both find you to be sketchy

[stungun0404]

sure, like scum me comes in and pushes gif of all players right here when i already have a kokichi vote on me. like what sense does that make? but keep sticking to your wacky theories

[stungun0404]

ok so I pointed out that your partner already knows that your reasoning on me is garbage and your response is to say that you didn't talk about it instead of consulting with gemini on that fact?

i can do that now, but overall we’ve only talked a few things, and one thing we agree on is you being sketchy

[stungun0404]

why are you calling your supposed scumread's scumread on you 'wacky theories' and trying to argue TO ME that you're town?

And sure why the fuck wouldn't you push on me when your partner knows that I'm complete lynchbait in most lobbies this year.

because i feel like town you would pick up on this shit, so if anything i’m calling into question your push on me here

[stungun0404]

sure, like scum me comes in and pushes gif of all players right here when i already have a kokichi vote on me. like what sense does that make? but keep sticking to your wacky theories

What relevance does Kokis vote have to you pushing GIF if you are any alignment

What

i was cognizant that pushing gif would get a vote thrown back at me, because i feel pretty confident he’s scum trying to go for a mislynch here

like his voting patterns are so clearly mislynch-favored; he’s been going where the tide’s been and pushing players at precisely the moment that would be the most opportune for a scumplayer. do you not see that tendency or do i need to spell it out?

[stungun0404]

this isn’t rc townplay, therefore it’s very likely his scumplay

like i’ll have to meta him to be for certain, but this does not feel like town rc to me.

[stungun0404]

depends. jailkeeper functions best as a doctor with 2 scum alive, but as a cop with only 1 alive.

[stungun0404]

i’d prefer gif right now, because i have no clue how aronis plays as either alignment, and his playstyle might be kinda strange as town for all i know

[stungun0404]

to me, rc’s play here aligns perfectly with scum. pressure wagons, and get as many claims as you can to find that jailkeeper. this seems to be his overall game strategy right now. just throwing out everything and seeing whatever sticks

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

opens the game by making a not specific game alignment indicative reason for selecting this game, which suggests that he's trying to conceal that there is one such reason for selecting this game.

also I believe that NSG is referring to me.

let’s see. 2nd to vote kokichi after shoshin.


2nd to vote stungun after profii. then shoshin voted me to put me at l-2, and you stayed there

until... you voted shoshin who put me at l-2, for idk what reason, but valid you were first to vote there

then pushed nsg, valid you were first to vote there.

aronis push you were first, so valid

you change to creature once L-2 happens with aronis

hmm maybe i’m wrong somewhat after all

must have misremembered things, but that happens

[stungun0404]

i’m still fine with pressuring gif though, so we can do this profii! i got you

[stungun0404]

to me, rc’s play here aligns perfectly with scum. pressure wagons, and get as many claims as you can to find that jailkeeper. this seems to be his overall game strategy right now. just throwing out everything and seeing whatever sticks

Not sure what the fuck this is about, though.

yeah, that was just a mistaken minute impression of his game that came from my memory. you ever make posts where you misremember something, but you just type things out anyway? at least i debunked it myself anyways.

[stungun0404]

his play doesn’t seem like town rc at all. i’m not familiar with scum rc, but my friemd is, and she thinks this is scum rc. have you played with town rc? or scum rc? it at least seems a far cry from what i remember in his townplay.

[stungun0404]

it’s perfectly acceptable to be scumread, you know

there’s nothing ruining about it. and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

like there’s no need to have this kind of reaction — town or scum.

[stungun0404]

defeatist mentality is not the way to go out

if you’re a mislynch, then i want you towntell

i don’t think you’ve really towntold for me so far, and i’ve seen you as town in 2 separate games, but w/e

your reads list is probably the towniest thing you’ve given out.

i still have a feeling you are ate’ing here,

but UNVOTE: GiF

[stungun0404]

it’s perfectly acceptable to be scumread, you know

there’s nothing ruining about it. and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

like there’s no need to have this kind of reaction — town or scum.

like, you won’t even meta my newbie scum game. come on!

@kokichi, can you at least do that? you’ll see something far different from what you see here. newbie 1875

[stungun0404]

fuck idk how else to say this. rc was sketchy to us for a reason that’s absolutely unrevealable. both my partner and i agree that we cannot reveal it. find it sketchy - w/e, but the fact that we agree on it is the truth.

there i said it

[stungun0404]

so basically you are sheeping your partner

VOTE: GIF

Not defending profii for any future days and he's a fine Lynch in the small chance of townflip but stungun tomorrow

Creature has to die before endgame as well

Bye Felicias

Can you not. Like their push on you is garbage and you should know that.

Hey stungun or anyone feeling like answering: how do you feel about Shoshin?

she’s my strongest townread far and away because her play seems so consistent with town shoshin; actively leading discussion by asking several different questions important for her to solve the gamestate, not futzing around with her vote but rather using it to sort players, and in general nothing she’s done scumpings me. so she’s a heavy townread so far.

[stungun0404]

kokichi quotes were there by accident

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, can you at least do that? you’ll see something far different from what you see here. newbie 1875

How long ago was it?

i finished it less than a week ago

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76559

[stungun0404]

so basically you are sheeping your partner

you could definitely say that. but we both agree

[stungun0404]

LMAO @ ircher and creature’s team being named LAMIST.

that’s a 10/10 for a name!

[stungun0404]

you know i just thought of something that would probs clear shoshin and gif from being scum so far this game, hmm...

i think it’s far likelier scum is not maintaining a high rate of activity and instead is laying relatively low while we go after each other here

i know i’d be much more chatty in a town game than a scum game here. probably true for both shoshin and gif too...

gif are you super chatty in scum games too? i’ll have to investigate that

if not i’m focusing entirely on the players with less content than the 3 of us so far this day phase

[stungun0404]

later today, i’ll commit to a full reread of this thread b/c i know just what i’m looking for now!

then i’ll lay a vote down somewhere

[stungun0404]

and @rc, i would townread you tbf only if you’d do something in your posts that pings me as town. i don’t feel you have done that so far, meanwhile shoshin definitely has

[stungun0404]

what if it's profii/stungun

shoshin/aronis most of the time is gg

right now there's basically two universes for me

one where it's Aronis/Profii or some variant and one where it's at least 1/2 of NSG/Creature

i've also considered like aronis/creature

Stungun can still be scums

I don't think profii/NSG is likely

Profii hasn't mentioned NSG at all

I'd have to go through his meta but generally i find that scum overmention their partners as opposed to undermention

I'm just gonna not do this in case it tilts NSG and makes her scream about me being scum even though I think the reactions would have been very helpful

VOTE: creature

Creature/NR maybe idk

oh, I guess you're her partner then.

I'll make a case on you as well

nah I'm not in a pointless instigatory mood

if she's scum this is way, way beyond anything she's ever done as scum
Going to just trust you for /reasons/
generally agree with the case on Stungun or at least that I would scumread him... more than I currently am? if he was scum?
Profii did some towny things, NSG saw it as well so I'll trust that for now

Kokichi sitll not scumreading but -maybe-

that leaves NR, Creature, Aronis

I will sort Kokichi by what he does when he's more engaged than he currently is, I think Creature is my confident scumread and his other scum is in the scumpool

Aronis is also the obvious partner for creature so maybe I'd go for it

certainly happier with that than profii

I don't understand the creature townreads and I think they're intellectually lazy

Aronis is not concretely fitting into either a scum or a town mold for me

Profii I still feel like is town but I could agree to have him jailkept on an aronis scumflip to deal with that

Stungun creature maaaybe?

I think that in the context of creature/Stun potentially being SvS it points more towards scum!Stun than anything

you guys can lynch whoever you want D1 and I'll go along with it but if you mislynch jailkeep is on me and I'm leading tomorrow.

yw for d1 gamesolve btw.

I think it's very possible that he got a large confidence boost from his win in transformers and he and ircher either got double scum or figured they could get an easy win off of the back of 'HEY CREATURE WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM'

Like I'm not saying he's literally confirmed scum I'm saying that the townreads there are inappropriate given the gamestate

Read all these closely rc, and go I'll understand exactly what has scumpinged me.

way too much spec about scum team pairings on d1 looks fake as hell coming from you. you were a vanilla townie in a similar type of game in lynchpin and I don't remember you once speculating over scumteam pairings on d1 and even focusing on discrediting certain pairs like nsg and profii after nsg made ONE POST IN THREAD. If you are town, wait until there's a scumflip at least to seriously consider scum team options. is that hard to ask for? Otherwise, you are just clogging up the thread with meaningless content. No scum team would dare react to a player, if town, who has thrown out more than 10 pair options on d1.

when your gameplay is completely antithetical to what I know I've seen you why shouldn't I worry that you're up to something in the scum pt? You've played this vague game in some of your pushes against me, so I don't want to hear this AtE shit coming from you. I chose to play along with it, and YOU overreact

the fact that I held this back until now shows I respect your gameplay enough not to embarrass you for something absurd you have been doing on d1 way too fucking much.

[stungun0404]

*you'll understand

Tablet that I've never used before, so that's why quite a few typoes may have happened there

[stungun0404]

and also, after how lynchpin went down when I voted you for using the word probably too much and it immediately backfired and I got lynched, why would town you think I'm scum when I don't directly address the reasoning the first time I vote you

[stungun0404]

to be clear for will that don't know, both rc and I were town in lynchpin

and I was also v/la throughout that game. so the more substantive posts were from having a larger chunk of posts to look at every time I hopped into the thread

[stungun0404]

this is annoying,
*those that don't know

[stungun0404]

I know what I play like when scum, and I would absolutely play this game JUST LIKE YOU ARE if I were scum (only notably with a lot less content as I tend to be lurkier as scum on d1). I'd make it look like I'm sorting players, but really I'm trying to gather scummy reactions for later. I'd have players focus on looking for/chasing scum partners to no avail all the while avoiding me because it looks like I'm sorting and look at me I'm posting a lot. and it concerns me like hella that this is what several of your posts read like to me. You can later further the credit of these early scum pushes as scum by using reactions to them later.

Idek know what your alignment is to be fair, but I feel like you are playing psychological games here with everyone. and my friemd has identified that you do that as scum


AND LMFAO at this tablet wanting to change scummy to a dummy.

[stungun0404]

Really "I feel like you're scummy" and "I feel like you're a dummy" is a huge difference, lol

[stungun0404]

VOTE: nsg

[stungun0404]

@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

[stungun0404]

Really? Guess what? All this shit will have no meaning when I flip town other than if it comes before your flip you will look scummier.

It's a game. No need to take anything out of context. We're all out to have fun, and I won't let you personally rain on my parade here

[stungun0404]

stungun came against me with a case that was objectively, demonstrably untrue: at no point in the game was I supporting any of the major wagons to the point that me intentionally avoiding them would have been a more sensible thing to push me on. he said that I was trying to wagon people to get the jailkeeper despite me having forced exactly zero claims. He came at me with a case based on my vote switching and claimed to have discussed his read on me with Gemini who would have known based on her experience with me in the newbie that I cycle votes as town and often get scumread for it, and who also knows generally that I avoid playing scum. when all of this was called out he continued to push me with emotional nonsequiturs that have absolutely no factual backing in what I have done this game. the iso is filled with a whole bunch of bullshit emotional statements of 'this is not rcs towngame' 'rc to do this as town' from someone who knows they don't know me worth shit.

then he has the gall to come out with

and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

and @rc, i would townread you tbf only if you’d do something in your posts that pings me as town. i don’t feel you have done that so far, meanwhile shoshin definitely has

like go [] if you're town you [] virtually every player in the game correctly recognized me as town and you've sat there making a completely empty attempt to policy lynch me for my username and tried to take the moral high ground about it. I don't want to play with this player if they're town and I want the scum dead if they're scum, my vote is on that slot and will continue to be on that slot as long as we're both alive.

I can post but I don't have anything to say. that is not acceptable from town, if it's scum who felt the need to try to mislynch me I can get over it but jfc.

Just seen this. This is a complete misunderstanding on both our parts

shoshin can actually attest to the fact now that I misremember stuff as town--i did that once in a game with a push I believe I made against her. I'm a lot less likely to slip up on misremembering with as scum, as I"m very cautious with how I push people as scum. It is always very calculated

I was looking at what I would do if I were scum this game and trying to hunt scum with that mentality and happened to make a misstatement.

My partner has honestly with sincerity that I can prove post game and I would swear on a cross and hope to die over that she made zero mention of you preferring to play town. Neither have I had a clue.

I've gotten 6 hours of sleep in the last 2 nights, but you have yet to take into account that there may be a variety of factors coming into play here--including perhaps that. And like maybe 20ish hours of sleep in the whole entire past week.

I don't like how it seems like everyone's being so quiet while we argue here. We're probably both not scum is what this is telling me. Like really, I want to trust this intuition.

All I've said is this doesn't feel like your townplay, unless I'm mistaken. That doesn't mean that it cannot be that you are town

Look. I'm willing to drop this and move on, but PLEASE don't give up if you are actually town here. It is completely possible for us to make up here.

I just feel like your scumread on me is based over perhaps the biggest weaknesses of my townplay. I truly don't ever get this upset over someone scumreading me as scum when I feel like that play is mistakenly attributing my play to be scummy. I can back this up with several games if you absolutely need it, but it takes two to compromise here. We're both upset here. But at EoD, we both could say we don't know each other's games that well

I would never policy lynch someone for their username, so I don't know what that is about.

I'm not trying to take high moral ground either. That's not my style. If it comes off that way, it's me being Aspergian as I tend to word things pretty badly sometimes.

Look. I have zero issues with you personally at all. Period. I am completely ok with playing with you, and if I'm being completely blunt I've felt like you are holding a grudge against me for the word probably too many times to modify your reads I made that one game. That was not any issue I had with you on a personal level, it's just that with that vote i genuinely found it to be the scummiest thing in the thread at that point in time I think, but I think it was just that I had never seen a player like you. Maybe I've had a mistaken impression of you because you play differently than I'm used to?

You can be straight-up spiteful to me, and I won't get pissed off. But there is absolutely no need here for us to be at odds with each other, at least on a personal level. I want to make peace with you.

Please be my friemd? And continue this game?

[stungun0404]

stungun came against me with a case that was objectively, demonstrably untrue: at no point in the game was I supporting any of the major wagons to the point that me intentionally avoiding them would have been a more sensible thing to push me on. he said that I was trying to wagon people to get the jailkeeper despite me having forced exactly zero claims. He came at me with a case based on my vote switching and claimed to have discussed his read on me with Gemini who would have known based on her experience with me in the newbie that I cycle votes as town and often get scumread for it, and who also knows generally that I avoid playing scum. when all of this was called out he continued to push me with emotional nonsequiturs that have absolutely no factual backing in what I have done this game. the iso is filled with a whole bunch of bullshit emotional statements of 'this is not rcs towngame' 'rc to do this as town' from someone who knows they don't know me worth shit.

then he has the gall to come out with

and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

and @rc, i would townread you tbf only if you’d do something in your posts that pings me as town. i don’t feel you have done that so far, meanwhile shoshin definitely has

like go [] if you're town you [] virtually every player in the game correctly recognized me as town and you've sat there making a completely empty attempt to policy lynch me for my username and tried to take the moral high ground about it. I don't want to play with this player if they're town and I want the scum dead if they're scum, my vote is on that slot and will continue to be on that slot as long as we're both alive.

I can post but I don't have anything to say. that is not acceptable from town, if it's scum who felt the need to try to mislynch me I can get over it but jfc.

Just seen this. This is a complete misunderstanding on both our parts

shoshin can actually attest to the fact now that I misremember stuff as town--i did that once in a game with a push I believe I made against her. I'm a lot less likely to slip up on misremembering things as scum, as I'm very cautious with how I push people as scum. It is always very calculated

I was looking at what I would do if I were scum this game and trying to hunt scum with that mentality and happened to make a misstatement.

My partner has honestly with sincerity that I can prove post game and I would swear on a cross and hope to die over that she made zero mention of you preferring to play town. Neither have I had a clue.

I've gotten 6 hours of sleep in the last 2 nights, but you have yet to take into account that there may be a variety of factors coming into play here--including perhaps that. And like maybe 20ish hours of sleep in the whole entire past week.

I don't like how it seems like everyone's being so quiet while we argue here. We're probably both not scum is what this is telling me. Like really, I want to trust this intuition.

All I've said is this doesn't feel like your townplay, unless I'm mistaken. That doesn't mean that it cannot be that you are town this game

Look. I'm willing to drop this and move on, but PLEASE don't give up if you are actually town here. It is completely possible for us to make up here.

I just feel like your scumread on me is based over perhaps the biggest weaknesses of my townplay. I truly don't ever get this upset over someone scumreading me as scum. Whereas I do when town and I feel like certain elements of my townplay are mistakenly attributed in my play to be scummy. I can back this up with several games if you absolutely need it, but it takes both of us to compromise here. We're both upset here. But at EoD, we both could say we don't know each other's games that well, given we've only played 2 games together before this.

I would never policy lynch someone for their username, so I don't know what that is about.

I'm not trying to take high moral ground either. That's not my style. If it comes off that way, it's me being Aspergian as I tend to word things pretty badly sometimes.

Look. I have zero issues with you personally at all. Period. I am completely ok with playing with you, and if I'm being completely blunt I've felt like you are holding a grudge against me for the push I made against you for using the word probably too many times to modify your reads I made that one game. That was not any issue I had with you on a personal level, it's just that with that vote i genuinely found it to be the scummiest thing in the thread at that point in time, but I think it was just that I had never seen a player play like you. Maybe I've had a mistaken impression of you because you play differently than I'm used to?

You can be straight-up spiteful to me if you want, and I wouldn't get pissed off. But there is absolutely no need here for us to be at odds with each other, at least on a personal level. I want to make peace with you.

Please be my friemd? And continue this game?

Ebwop

[stungun0404]

The only way we can work past this though is if we are both blunt with each other imo.

Stungun says very dumb things

Whether it makes him scum, eh

This comment in transformers mafia kind of made me feel insulted

[stungun0404]

Tell me... Did this post make you feel insulted
viewtopic.php?p=10221796#p10221796

if so, I guess I can try to make up for it for by L-2ing myself now and going to sleep for the night

VOTE: Stungun

[stungun0404]

Ok one last comment here

As for this

"and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch"

this was a bad comment by me. I admit it.


I attributed caring to meta-diving and you showed reluctance to meta-dive me. Thus, I didn't think you cared to sort me correctly here

[stungun0404]

Please be aware that's

L-2

on aronis and similarly so on me

Not against an aronis lynch, but I'm confused regarding whether or not he is scum or if he is town right now. Like utterly confused

Anyone familiar with how he plays as either alignment?

[stungun0404]

@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

VOTE: Stungun

Thanks, I guess? Lol.

I think your odds of being scum are slightly higher now. Last time I was asked to lay a vote down somewhere was when I was scum and I laid it down on the player that asked me since they asked me to vote.

So nicorobin might be scum. Idk how to interpret this

[stungun0404]

Plus that's post 666 and that's a scummy number

[stungun0404]

VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum

[stungun0404]

VOTE: NicoRobin because

s

he's scum

Ebwop. Bad habit of calling NR a he.

[stungun0404]

Creature, what's your reads?

stungun town
Then I'm sheeping him on you
Am fine letting GIF go for now
Feeling Kokichi is town too
profii idk how to read

I'm rn looking at Aronis, nsg and NicoRobin

Let me just say that this looks like creature town to me. I don't really see him engage in in-depth reads in his scum games, so the detailedness of this list looks good at first sight.

[stungun0404]

Creature, what's your reads?

stungun town
Then I'm sheeping him on you
Am fine letting GIF go for now
Feeling Kokichi is town too
profii idk how to read

I'm rn looking at Aronis, nsg and NicoRobin

Let me just say that this looks like creature town to me. I don't really see him engage in in-depth reads in his scum games, so the detailedness of this list looks good at first sight.

In-depth reads? Where?

For creature, those reads are in-depth. No posts he gives are really that in depth, but for his meta that's a lot of stances for him to take, which maybe means he is town actively trying to help.

Mass questions will be coming soon, so expect them!

[stungun0404]

He took two stances... You, and Kokichi. It's about what I'd expect him to do as scum. I don't see how you're townreading him for that.

To be clear, i townlean on him, but i'm not townreading him because a). He only stated these under pressure and b). This is completely possible for scum to hide behind. Townlean = / = townread of creature

[stungun0404]

lovely,

L-2

Is that all you have to say

Looking back, I really dislike this comment regarding the gamestate if you're town. It reads as unnecessarily pushy to ask this when someone is up against pressure, and reads like you are more focused on using what i have to say against me than genuinely trying to sort me. The focus of this question feels skewed towards scum focus to me; this is a question i would ask scum, but not as town.

And i'm literally also been your only scumread iirc. And have been this entire day phase for that matter.

What gives?

[stungun0404]

*question i would ask as scum

[stungun0404]

@gif: lbr i'm kinda being lazy with this game in general. I am not intentionally making this game unpleasant for you at all--I have a very defined reason i was sr'ing you. But i am dropping that reason until a defined point later. I will engage you with it then. You should perfectly well understand both of my reasons here.


If it serves town well in the long run by getting rid of a distraction, i support my lynch. I don't under any other circumstances.

I'll leave you guys with some reads if i am lynched though

@profii you can see some of my townplay where i did feel that concerned here in this iso: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280&user_select[]=27383

Note i was town 1-s lynchproof in that game

[stungun0404]

give me like one day and i will dedicate a lot of time to this game

until then please someone unvote me just because i do not want a repeat of lynchpin mafia where 2 votes landed on me while sleeping and i was mislynched after saying i would give reads out

i'll do it this time legitimately, but need active help this time

[stungun0404]

you guys don't want me mislynched before giving reads in a micro game

my reads have turned out to be super accurate in the few micro sized games i have played in and given reads in. Check out greatest idea mafia for proof.

[stungun0404]

i haven't truly given all the thought in the world to my reads yet, but i'm pretty darn sure shoshin is town

[stungun0404]

And if nobody budges from my wagon. I am calling it -- 2 scum on there for sure just like lynchpin mafia at the same point

[stungun0404]

Lol i ask nicorobin to cast a vote and she votes me

What kind of betrayal?

Sad thing is idk if that will be removed. Sad because no reasoning attached to it

Sad that gif, kokichi and profii have all lingered votes on me (voteparked). Including GIF MULTIPLE TIMES. This is frustrating as hell when i am town and fucking sad that only i have been consistently voteparked on like this. Maybe aronis too? But other than i do not think so

only creature nsg and aronis have not been all over me.

[stungun0404]

Shoshin also voted me at an early stage but not quite voteparked

[stungun0404]

It's kinda sad i feel there is nothing i can say to remove any of the 3 votes on me so i guess this is lynchpin all over again

[stungun0404]

It's kinda sad i feel there is nothing i can say to remove any of the 3 votes on me so i guess this is lynchpin all over again

If i must explain

Kokichi is wrongly tunneled on me

Gif won't stop bsing his read on me. Literally zero things he has said are scummy by assessment of my play. And even promised not to vote elsewhere because what? I insulted him? I am so sick of this damn tjnneling right now that i am about to cave in and just accept this shit. I am town and i am so fucking close to roleclaiming right now

Nicorobin wouod not vote anywhere else

I am so close to being fucking done with this game rjght now. This is a sad gamestate

[stungun0404]

god darnit, i want to attack people right now for idiocy.

i need some sleep

[stungun0404]

I am that roleclaim that makes it easier for scum to reach their wincon by knowing i have that role. Let me just put it to you all that way

[stungun0404]

Seriously though. Check this out

Scum game, micro sized in newbie thread. Posts from Stungun: 128 from June 22nd to July 27th (36 days). Equals roughly 3.6 posts per game day
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76559&user_select[]=31546


Here, town game, micro sized. Posts from stungun: 147 now from July 28th to August 5th (8 days)
147/8 = roughly 18.38 posts per game day

I am much more interested in playing as town

This just isn't how much i post as scum. See why i am frustrated?

[stungun0404]

And to further the proof, here is my alt (yt2980) in the last micro sized town game i completed without v/la circumstances. Replaced in midway btw, just like i replaced into the above scum game

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=65087&start=750

Yt: 91 posts from feb 3 2016 to feb 11 2016 = 9 days = >10 posts per game day, roughly 10.1

I cannot fake high amount of content as scum, and absolutely can back this up with several more games of evidence if need be

I helped town majorly towards winning that game btw!


Now i expect to get to gamesolving tomorrow, but i am definitely sick of how i keep getting tunneled for little attributable reason

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?

[stungun0404]

thank you @kokichi and @gif for being willing to reconsider.

starting now, i’m going to fully reconsider everyone based on their iso entirely, with the exception of shoshin — who is strong town — given that my especially strong townreads have proven to be right time and time again.

from the PoE pool, I should have my official scum reads. just like lynchpin, there honestly is not a ridiculous amount of content that seriously has scumpinged me, so I need to reassess everything and find out who here is truly town and see if i can locate a scummy iso that has been neglected/written off as possibly town by me so far.

[stungun0404]

in the mean time, VOTE: Unvote

[stungun0404]

warning: i have some softball games this evening, so i will do everything i can until then.

let's start with nicorobin

I could see nicorobin choosing scum, as she tends to show more general interest in terms of posts in her scum games. It appears, however, to be consistent with both her scum and town meta not to lay a vote down right when the game starts, and instead not vote for awhile. This makes her difficult to sort.

she created her own role here in mini theme 2008, where her role was mafia-aligned (and notably so was kokichi's in that game), so it is very possible nicorobin would choose a scum role--if available to her. in the game mentioned here, she wanted a role with a nk ability, and was able to secure the exact role she wanted.
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but overall, slight townlean maybe (as in 66% town on first impressions; whereas 34% she is scum), as she tends to post much less frequently in town games overall and reach prod range in them frequently--she already has reached prod range in this game. she has only 8 posts so far; the fewest outside of her is 38 from nsg, so talk about deficiency for us in that regard.

after reviewing all iso's, i will reassess her relative towniness, along with everyone else's based off the ratings i mark down.


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northsidegal: upon reinvestigation, she seems to be very focused on trying to sort players, which i like coming from nsg. automatically figures this to be a hard playerlist to read in her first post. she asks rc about transformers mafia where i was scum in 326; agrees with shoshin's comment of me being town in 330 because she got the impression i am more lamist-y in my scum games, meaning that she was actively trying to sort me there--this does not look like scum nsg to me at first sight seeing this. asks why people are townreading kokichi then in 331 because nsg is scumreading kokichi--which is a good cause for asking. she actively, thus, is trying to sort kokichi there. also don't think nsg scum automatically townreads me because of lynchpin mafia, where scum nsg helped towards lynching me along with creature also helping on D1. 341 she catches up and immediately follows up with reasoning for her scumread of kokichi--which looks like town nsg to me to a further extent--so this is looking like a pretty strong early townread given that i am pretty good as far as track record goes in my few games of experience at detecting which games of hers she is scum in.

another note: i do think nsg's scumread of kokichi is very valid so far, given that kokichi seems to have less strong stances on people being scum as town from my experience there and to generally be a bit more confused and not so... focused on someone being scummy. it seems he may have been parroting an early majority to later hop on my lynchwagon by scumreading me, since i had an early townread of kokichi. then again, i'm not an expert on kokichi, and really don't proclaim to be an expert on anyone in this game tbch.

nsg admits to not being able to read profii well at all in 344, validating again that she is actively sorting people while taking a town stance on profii. additionally, she is attempting to sort him, whereas if she were scum she could be saying she has a null read instead of taking a stance on him because of her history of being wrong on him. i like that she took a stance here!

????

i didn't say profii was town at all, especially not

because

of something that i once did as scum... i wondered and put it out there if it was wrong to townread him for having those theories and as a counterargument to my own thinking reflected on how i got townread for the same thing in one of my own scum games.

when you say that i "said that you're overconfident to stoke gif's paranoia", why are you coming from the position of me already being scum? within what i said itself i really don't think there's a reason to interpret it that way - it only makes sense if you already think that i'm scum and so you look at that action from a scum perspective. so where is that perspective coming from in the first place? that is, on its own what i said is decidedly

not

just stoking paranoia - it's just me commenting on something that stood out to me while reading that i agreed with having remembered something from mini normal 2012. (and, this really isn't a useful discussion to get into, but yes, overconfidence was a problem in that game, or at least a contributing factor to a town loss - that's not meant to be a personal attack on you or anything of that nature, it's just me remembering what went wrong during that game).

this comment reads genuine to me--and not like scum being upset at being scumread, it reads like town being upset at being scumread.

you're still misinterpreting what i'm saying. never once have i said that he feels town

FOR

doing something that i once did as scum. i said on a gut level i want to townread him for that theory thing,

BUT

i was once townread as scum for doing that.

i don't think scum would ever find a particular player to be a townlean for something they have done as scum (and if anything scum probably scumreads them for it), so this looks incredibly genuine to me and as town trying to sort this particular player. the only exception would be if they take the stance that everyone is town, but nsg is not. so this is a heavily town-looking iso for me, and good enough for me to move on with confidence

shoshin and nsg can be my town pool now while i reinvestigate some other players! i can make a town stance for literally everything nsg has done, so that makes me feel good there.

confidence that nsg is town: 90%+; same general pool as shoshin.

[stungun0404]

Aronis: says he will be obvtown 24 hours after gamestart in 11, which puts pressure on him to follow through --> although since it is not obvious he is town right now, i don't know what to make of that.

lol 28 and 30: jocularly wanting to quicklynch kokichi by being quickhammer and wanting to lynch kokichi to find out what alignment he is. i think scum is more prone to try and take advantage of statements like this, rather than to actually be the ones to MAKE them because it might make them feel uncomfortable, as assuredly it could be used against them --> so the jocularity of this gave me an early townlean there that has truthfully upheld to the extent that i am not willing to make him the main wagon here. even asks kokichi to self-vote in 55 to make it happen.

158: takes unpopular early stance of gif likely being scum, rather than going with the flow, which looks good to me. however, idk how he thought nsg was town for sure on the basis of one post lmao. but then again, i don't think scum states that, idk. 163 backs up his nsg townread too. so far, aronis reads like unorthodox town to me more than scum.

166, 167, and 170 seem pretty certain about a gif-profii scum team, which is kinda weird lol.

the jocularity of his reads overall just don't seem like scum clowning around to me on a tonal level; and the overall unpopularity of some of his stances support that read, but i get that i am taking an unpopular stance here myself. i could be wrong

and he states profii and nsg being scum in 338 lmao, which is a clear contrast to him stating that he does not scum hunt until like d3. but overall his iso is just too much of a joke in tone for me to scumread him, idk why this is the case, but if he is scum i will be kinda frustrated for not sensing that.

i will state i am roughly 78% sure aronis is town. this leaves 22% room for error.

so, shoshin = nsg > aronis > nicorobin so far in terms of towniness.





my early impression is scum is in kokichi, gif, and profii. will challenge that when digging into their iso's here shortly. i am going from least posts to most posts currently to form reads.


creature --> kokichi --> profii --> gif coming up, in that order

[stungun0404]

also aronis went from townreading to scumreading nsg based off my vote or sth, so idk what went on there.

can you explain that progression @aronis? i was not actually scum reading nsg when i voted her --> simply just wanted to lay a vote down somewhere!

[stungun0404]

You're 78% sure Aronis is town? How'd you even come to that number?

he's playing a jokily bold game if scum, as it is somewhat easy i guess to attack his play (although i do not seriously see real cause for it), and i genuinely don't think town is the primary reason he is l-2 right now; i think scum is finding him to be a possible mislynch wagon though i am uncertain; 78 is just me quantifying my confidence. i feel he is more likely town than scum, and a serious mislynch option

[stungun0404]

that said, i will bite it if he flips scum. i would surprise me, a little bit

[stungun0404]

creature

lol, already an excuse in 31 for not being active

asks about whether he should be worried about towning in 35: if you are town, i would say yes. why not? lol. idk the reason to ask that

directs people to get off my wagon in 215: a bit late, but given he used a wagon on me to win as scum in lynchpin, i do not think scum him asks for people to get off my wagon there.

too much WIFOM in 220, but wow it gave me a laugh, re: "lol if it's NSG and I again."

questions townreads a lot in a way scum creature might perhaps? asks why shoshin should be locktown to me when she asked that to me in 216 (which might be something a scum player would ask in response to that notably), lol's @ aronis's townread of creature wherein he brings attention to aronis liking one of creature's posts by bolding it in 221, questions aronis's town for sure read on nsg in 222. in 226, says he can't work around obvtowning, which is an excuse :-/

directs me to leave nsg for later and not wagonpark there which maybe scum creature does not do, idk, in 293. [post]

upon re-review, i am not all that certain creature is town here. he seems more engaged overall though, so i will put him as 70% town. not as sure as i was initially, but still think he overall is trending towards town.

i am, however, bad at reading creature and rarely take stances outside of him being null, because he is a frustrating player for me to sort. so i am open to being wrong here.


so far --> towniest to least town --> shoshin = NSG > aronis > creature > nicorobin.

now let me sort the 3 primary players who have been pinging me recently.






@creature: i am curious why you are wanting to look into nsg.

[stungun0404]

kokichi: sets up lynch on creature in 33 if he does not towntell early. why? so a mislynch happens perhaps?

but in post 40, in response to shoshin after i voted creature, kokichi echoes creature is probably town. and if he is not, that will be clear later. idk why 10 pages is supposably enough room for kokichi to advocate a lynch on creature, but it's something i do not like.

115 felt opportunistic to me, and similar of a response to what my scum partner in newbie 1875 -- platfleece -- said to invisibility early in that game of "What do you have to say in your defense, invis?" -- when he was L-2 in rvs. that is the type of vibe it gives me. it feels like it is fishing for information that would have net negative utility to town, but net positive utility to scum.

228: first scumlean is on me--which has stayed oddly consistent so far.

277: expresses concerns of nsg not posting, so as to call attention to her. this has more net scum motive than town motive, overall.

392: sure keep clinging on to the narrative that creature is easy to sort. this has proven wrong for me so far largely, and it seems like you want to possibly keep him alive as mislynch potential later, idk.

477: the irony is this post is pretty aggressive.


492: do not remember this question about nico, but he is definitely way more lurkier as town than scum, so idk what you mean there. it's easily proveable by the number of prods he has gotten in town games.

520: this vote by kokichi on me was a little oddly timed i think, and with no attached reasoning. first vote for kokichi.

607: lol @ her thanking gif for sheeping on me when she herself had no reasoning attached to her vote :-X
i think kokichi is scum here

613: why are you so attentive kokichi to tracking the voting patterns of gif? is it because you are scum partners? or is profii your scum partner? time will tell.
and anyway my post called attention directly to the fact that he changed his vote many times. so what game are you reading there? seems like you are distorting what i directly put in front of you.

614: perfect timing for scum to step in and spread paranoia about my rc/gif vote/stance, so yeah it just seems biased that you are so heavily tending towards the fact that i am scum no matter what, kokichi. i do not think town you is like this at all.


i cannot reason with most of kokichi's content so far coming from town, therefore clear scumlean here. likeliness of being town: 38 %

i will finish this iso later but i seriously think kokichi is scum here after reinvestigating. do not know if partner would be profii OR gif yet.

and i think this is enough for me to VOTE: Kokichi, having acknowledged this now.

[stungun0404]

@aronis: what do you think of kokichi? is that a vote you are OK with?

@shoshin: you as well!

i think kokichi should be a serious lynch option today because i feel there is a good shot he flips scum. if you are willing to sheep me on nsg, aronis, are you willing to sheep me on kokichi?

meanwhile i will continue sifting thru kokichi’s content, but i am pretty sure it is not coming from town

[stungun0404]

nsg is similarly sure it is not coming from town, fwiw! so that makes 2 of us

[stungun0404]

Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign

does profii know more about kokichi than i, hmm?

profii-kokichi scum team ftw?

both my friemd and i could see kokichi and profii both being scum; we think gif just might be town after all.

Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign

Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign

So basically everyone could be scum and you don't have any thoughts about who it is?

Well the point of that post was

stun - prob not scum
Aronis - scum read
Shoshin - scum lean (though i later retract that)
Gif - no idea right now but if you held a gun to my head I’ll go town
NSG - whilst lurking is bad, I’ll aboid reading a slot on 2 posts
Koki - scum lean


So 8 players excluding myself, I’ve offered 3 potential scum slots
I’m leaning most strongly towards Aronis


So basically everyone actually is less than half


There are other times where I would call this shade and say you are scummy for it but your meta diving is swaying me towards saying you are someone who has confidence in their convictions and when you believe in something you will lead your wagon rather than sheep someone else’s

If some other players come in with “yes this fits your meta” uncontested I’ll basically lock town you tbh despite me thinking there are flaws in your case - the intentions seem pure

scum heavy analysis, including a scum lean on kokichi that is never followed as far as a vote goes... hmm...

[stungun0404]

VOTE: aronis
L-2

this vote reeks mislynch all over it

l-2’ing aronis with no attached reasoning? don’t like this

you scum read him the post before, but you have so many scum leans in your analysis there that this looks like a scummy push for you to choose this of all lynchwagons you could have

i am similarly, like kokichi’s iso, having trouble towning much of your content here so far... so you are probably scum

[stungun0404]

@kokichi, are you town this game?

Unfortunately

with hindsight, this might be telling...

even though gamma picked first, kokichi shows a propensity for scum roles here by saying ‘unfortunately’ he is town.

[stungun0404]

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

this reads weird considering you scumread him not long after and vote him

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: current strongest boys

Vote count 1.8

stungun0404 (3):

Kokichi Oma, NicoRobin, GirlInFreezer

Aronis (3):

Shoshin, Creature, profii

Kokichi Oma (1):

northsidegal

NicoRobin (1):

stungun0404

not voting (1):

Aronis

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

fitting that as of last vote count, profii and kokichi were on opposing wagons.

srsly could see this scum team being a thing, it makes sense. so i’d vote either out

[stungun0404]

Profii, why is NSG town?

I liked the way she sorted my slot. There was a balance of paranoia which seemed genuine

I also like the Koki scum read which is getting lost and imo deserves more attention

Where did Koki express that preference ?

But Koki said he got sloppy seconds (I know he could lie)

I say let’s wagon him. We need to shake the game up to find associations

VOTE: Koki

plausible distancing? i could see it

i will fully analyze everything else later to see if it still consistently brings me here, but both are in my scumpile clearly right now.

i will have to still reinvestigate gif to make sure everything i am saying here is still consistent

[stungun0404]

somebody here is boss at manipulating for real

one of kokichi or profii pretty much is scum by my assessment; i can fully eval profii and gif though tomorrow and finish kokichi. it would be optimal, however, if i could case it on my computer as opposed to my tablet, so thus why i will wait roughly 15-ish hours

just throwing out some ideas that seemed plausible to me; profii you do have a point with 782, but i don’t think it is a post that conclusively rules you two out from being partners, just makes it a bit less plausible

i had not even addressed that post - which shows i had not considered the entire thread yet for kokichi, profii, or gif.

so in-depth cases for those three coming tomorrow!

[stungun0404]

*at least one of

[stungun0404]

continuing kokichi, now where did i leave off? looks like 614.

in 615: calls out gif push as garbage, but apparently has taken the stance that the pushes on me so far have not been garbage, which is interesting to note. why would you think the push is garbage when i had explicitly mentioned i am withholding reasoning on it. seems like you are trying to instigate something out of seemingly nothing there.

619: lol, i refer kokichi to meta my most recent scum game, and his immediate reaction is "how long ago was it?" as if looking for a direct excuse NOT to. i tell him it finished a week ago, but then never get another peep from it out of kokichi--implying he wasn't gonna bother reading it regardless of how long ago it was. so pointless question that scum asks there as a way of trying to avoid iso'ing that game. it's pointless because no follow-up.

691: as of this post, it is absolutely a false statement if you are stating that you have scumread other people than me. i have literally been your ONLY scumread as of post 691; the only player you have really even seriously considered as scum. this looks like you wanting to capitalize on my mislynch potentiality while not testing the waters anywhere else this day phase.

you had said creature is likely town at an early stage granted, and townread rc, and that you liked shoshin as town, but you literally had only focused on the potential of me and me alone being scum. why not seriously consider other options? this especially looks bad when i myself know i am town; can you see how this looks bad from my perspective? it's like you are afraid of scumreading anyone else thus far.

705: finally, you give a reads list! but prior to this point, you had not said a word about profii potentially being scum --> and for that matter no one but me. so what in your mind made you put him in the scum zone?

also, curious why girlinfreezer is obv town in your reads, and aronis would classify as a scum lean; i would think nicorobin would have been a bigger scum lean of yours if you had questioned me at an early point about him being lurkier as scum and her classifying as hella lurky this game.

VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum

Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM

What if both were scum roles then and she had no choice? Why rule out that possibility?

this is very improbable; we worry about that imo if we see a scum flip of the slot in the other game. scum tend to favor possibility > probability more often than town, and that has so far been a good scum tell for me, so this might be a scum suggestive post if you have one.

it is very likely scum calls a point like this to serious attention, and that town just lets that possibility go by the wayside because of its unlikeliness. town would rather worry about that later. my question is if town, why seriously feel the urge to call this into question, knowing that it is seriously very improbable.

Kokichi is wrongly tunneled on me

Why am I wrong?

lol. another unnecessary question. you are wrong if town, but are technically playing to your wincon if scum.

763: i think you are scum now, to answer your question.

814: well, i haven't seen you as scum before, so of course you would point that out. but i have seen you as town multiple times, and your gameplay here just has a very strange, scummy feeling to it, that i cannot ignore. does not seem like you are town looking at the content focus of your posts so far.

updated confidence read: 43% kokichi is town (+5%) since last read. will adjust this in accordance with the other reads of gif and profii i determine.


@shoshin, you said you wanted to consult with your friemd. can you look into kokichi's iso while explicitly looking for town markers and let me know what you guys can find? because i'm lost trying to find any myself; which probably implicates kokichi as scum. i want to see if you can correlate with my read here, essentially seeing what i am seeing.

p-edit: of course there are 2 additional posts when i go to post this, making me have to edit the post tags, lmao!

[stungun0404]

814: well, i haven't seen you as scum before, so of course you would point that out. but i have seen you as town multiple times, and your gameplay here just has a very strange, scummy feeling to it, that i cannot ignore. does not seem like you are town looking at the content focus of your posts so far.

Okay? And what is different?

what in particular

you seem... settled on a particular game interpretation. and not that confused, whereas you seem a little more confused in your townplay i am used to; especially when it comes to scumreads—> i have been your primary one this day phase, with maybe a hint of profii, but still your only vote.

[stungun0404]

lovely day! let me iso both profii and gif real quick.

early take, profii --> could you see a gif and kokichi scum team being a thing? i'm thinking about things, and how the emotional turmoil posts from gif could be used as a scum ploy to post less from here on out... i don't find this that unlikely. gif started the game out by voting kokichi. kokichi comes to gif's defense when i vote gif without giving out my reasoning (tells gif it is bs and he knows it), but clearly is not alarmed at all by gif's vote on me when everyone else has expressed concern about both sides, lol?! kokichi soon votes me afterwards and together with gif they both team up to votepark on me... until they both hop off my wagon when i say if i am lynched overnight then there are 2 scum on my wagon --> as if they were alarmed by the very thought of being considered as those 2 scum on my wagon. intriguing... meanwhile nr isn't alarmed in the slightest about the scum being on the wagon, meaning nr probably is not scum, and is thus not really worried about it. i want a kokichi lynch this day phase, though. i have a high degree of confidence in kokichi flipping scum (i'll even eat my hat if he does not)!


starting with profii
hmm, now that i think of it, idk if scum asks for an elaboration on why i am probably town in 41, town might have more interest and scum would know i am town just by knowing who they are.

on second thought, i really like profii's answer to 182, specifically how it delves into his thought process, which is definitely much more natural for town than scum to explain and it avoids an IIoA stance on the game --> which is a townier take on things.

188: i really don't understand how you progress from thinking aronis is a scum player's dream to eventually voting him not long after, though.

i like profii's interest at looking into other player's meta this game; i have actually referred both kokichi and gif to my previous meta and do not remember them bringing in any sort of new evidence that goes against their conclusions, as if they are somewhat stuck on their conclusions. it's interesting that kokichi in particular did not vote anywhere else--gif voted profii however that was in kokichi's scumread list.

578 also would be a strange push for scum to make. voting, and asking for pressure to stay on what is a majority townread. i guess that is plausible for a scum perspective, but it still would be a strange push for scum to make.

i kinda want to see what's in gif's iso here (of course profii and gif have a lot of posts making it hard to dissect every one), so i am going to transition with a (73% confidence meter in profii being town; there are some things in his iso that are hard for scum to fake); so updated with nicorobin moving up one: shoshin = nsg > aronis > profii > nicorobin > creature >>> kokichi with gif a big ????


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gif

opens the game with a very detailed vote for kokichi, which fits all distancing narratives you could possibly imagine. additionally, this is

far and away

the most detailed reasoning that correlates with the scumminess of someone that gif has given for any vote so far. as in, they are not exactly scum hunting necessarily with the focus of everyone other vote that gif has laid down.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

opens the game by making a not specific game alignment indicative reason for selecting this game, which suggests that he's trying to conceal that there is one such reason for selecting this game.

also I believe that NSG is referring to me.

Also yeah, what's so locktown about Stungun's entrance?

scummy way to ask a question --> you are asking in such a way that could beget a scummy reaction; as if that is your intent. shoshin never said i was locktown. she said i was probably town; and you also ask this after profii.

I'm not really following

why doesn't scum me make the same mental error regarding what your specific read was that town me did?

why even question this if you are town, lol?

GiF's actually town btw - 52 is a massive town-tell

why

and

@Kokichi given that you played in team mafia, you should understand the functionality of this game, no?

this may be an accidental scum team slip. where did kokichi ever say playing team mafia before this game in this thread? did you guys discuss that in the scum pt and you made an oversight?

80: GiF townreads themselves AND kokichi alone, and in spite of that their vote as of that post is still on kokichi.

serious hedginess on kokichi on multiple occasions early on --> emphasizing that gif is not sure what to think of them (notably this sort of hedginess isn't applying for other players; and also gif has been speculating that scumplayers tend to overmention their partners and in this case he is doing so with kokichi a ton --> point is if gif is using it as a scumtell he'd probably do it as scum himself): 53, 87, 91 is more of an extension on kokichi, 766: "Kokichi could plausibly be scum ftr it's not like he's never scum".

Why is that even something you talk about?

Why are you talking about who is more likely to be town among your townreads instead of looking for scum

the focus of this latter question is strange. it is absolutely natural to tier players for town, so why question this if you are town.

One game meta I guess? You feel different, less confident, using words like probably where they were absent in the other game, your one confident read is on me who you shouldn't really confidently townread, you just feel not the same.

Why are you so sure profii would be the partner? What's with the excessive focus on Aronis?

Why should you have been locktown to Stun?

again, a poorly focused question that scum would ask

gif goes from scumreading profii in 80, 197, and 243 to suddenly thinking profii is town in 298 - but would not explain this other than in 423 "profii did some towny things", questions "what if profii's town tho" in 484

531: i do not like the poe pool gif concludes here; mislynchbait in me he knows about from lynchpin mafia, creature is another potential mislynch if town, and nicorobin is lurky lurky so of course that is an excuse. this poe pool does not seem very towny to me (and i would know because i have made poe pools as scum).

gif advocates a policy lynch on me in 706, but not because he thinks i am scum. he thinks scum team is creature and profii, so then why ever policy lynch a player you think is town? that does not seem like a town stance on something to me.

765 now has profii and aronis back in scumpool.

sheeps shoshin on profii; now the second time that he has sheeped a vote this day phase on shoshin i believe.

now wants to lynch profii in 780 and 828. just seems like an odd progression to me.

so overall i stand at about a 56% chance of GiF being town here. i find kokichi to be the scummiest, with gif second scummiest, so those are the 2 lynches i'd prefer here.


so my lynch options are as follows: kokichi > gif > creature > nicorobin > profii > aronis > shoshin = nsg

[stungun0404]

umm, ok.

i sincerely do not think you are all that town

but i’ll vote you even though i seriously am sensing this is a ploy on your behalf right now to rid town of a player who is right on the scum team

VOTE: GirlInFreezer

you have a 1 vote advantage because of nicorobin, so of course you would use that to your scummy advantage

[stungun0404]

otherwise, why did you come out of hiding at precisely the moment i case you?

[stungun0404]

actually no. you know what, i’m not complying with this attempt to strongarm the lynch options

i’m voting who i think is scummiest. VOTE: Kokichi

[stungun0404]

if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.

i assess people on relative towniness when scum aren’t that apparent, and then i assess scummy actions after i have eliminated townplayers from my pool. i am a poe type of player.

if i am lynched, shoshin and nsg are town no matter what, and should not be lynched under any circumstances

[stungun0404]

my townreads have yet to produce an error this year, so use that to your advantage @town

@gif, i will only truthfully be alright with some of the jabs you’ve made at me if you are scum this game. otherwise, some have been completely unnecessary.
that is re: at “someone with a few screws loose in your head”

i have zero clear town markers on you, i case people on towniness before any scum flips, this is typical townplay for me, and then i find a scumpool i am comfortable with and attack their scummy actions. this has worked pretty well for me recently. there was no clear scumtells in this thread, so i had to find the towntells.

[stungun0404]

i'm not reading your posts anymore.

if your not scum this game, istg these attacks make me not want to ever play with you again

fine, blacklist me, idc. it’s ok if i scumread you. idk why the fuck you are so salty about it

[stungun0404]

if anything, i volunteer us to policy lynch gif simply for the way he’s acting...

[stungun0404]

and yes, i still think he flips scum

[stungun0404]

@profii, where do you stand on a kokichi lynch? seems more plausible than gif today, as nsg and i are already on it.

[stungun0404]

but she has found kokichi scummy, so

[stungun0404]

hardclaim not JK

just take your free win with dignity profii

yeah, this has absolutely no town incentive. thus it is likely coming from scum

[stungun0404]

fair, but i also think looking into role pm selections can be a bit of a distraction. point being a). we do not know the options a team got. b). we do not know for sure who picked the role pm they wanted between the two players and c). people could do reverse psychology and choose the role they think others would not think they would want to help their team out

thus, i do not find it a conducive train-of-thought to give into, until at least after we get some flips in the other game going. otherwise, it’s a potential distraction from scumhunting

[stungun0404]

maybe? but what would be their scum plan? sheeping town players would be incorporated? because both parties have done that.

aronis sheeped me on nsg

gif sheeped shoshin on profii.

gee, i have no idea how that could backfire

[stungun0404]

i’d rather not think it’s aronis atm, but one thing we do agree on is based off probability: gif is scum

we need more of a consensus effort out of just about everyone in driving a lynch in a particular direction tbch so this day phase does not go down to the wire.

i would vote kokichi, and i would vote gif. where would everyone else vote at this moment?

[stungun0404]

4 days and 10 hours until day phase ends

last vote count was
stungun (3): kokichi, nicorobin, gif
aronis (3): shoshin, creature, profii
kokichi (1): nsg
nicorobin (1): stungun

not voting (1): aronis <— do not like seeing no vote for someone right now

i will update this shortly with what has changed since then, to give us a revised vc.

[stungun0404]

updated vote count

Aronis (2): Creature, profii
Kokichi Oma (2): northsidegal, stungun0404
stungun0404 (2): NicoRobin, GirlinFreezer

not voting (3): Aronis, Kokichi, Shoshin

[stungun0404]

lololol

but i’ll compromise with an aronis lynch if we must. just think there are plentiful options i’d prefer to him

but aronis, why don’t you enter the thread here and help us out?

[stungun0404]

Adonis basically said he would lynch anyone but you and someone else

shoshin.

but where is he? he’s went mia when we need a vote from him

[stungun0404]

aronis’s only vote this day phase has been sheeping me on nsg

i need to meta his voting tendencies as different alignments, maybe that will tell us something

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Creature

if gif is town, creature is likely scum imo

[stungun0404]

what makes kokichi town in this game though? it’s unsettling me a bit to try and decipher how others are forming that read

[stungun0404]

if profii or stungun made a case on shoshin that was as stupid as the one that was made on me 1) people would come out of the woodwork to tell them that they are wrong and 2) they would get scumread for it, but no one is willing to police people's reads on me because no one trusts themselves to read me and people scumreading me for stupid reasons is so ubiquitous that it's just accepted as something that happens

what if instead of throwing me to the wolves every time this shit happened someone actually had my back?

um. the same could be said about the case on me tbch. even you wanted to policy lynch more than think i was scum, so :-/

[stungun0404]

actually VOTE: aronis

i’m kinda over this day phase tbch, and just want a flip

L-2

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: current strongest boys

Vote count 1.8

stungun0404 (3):

Kokichi Oma, NicoRobin, GirlInFreezer

Aronis (3):

Shoshin, Creature, profii

Kokichi Oma (1):

northsidegal

NicoRobin (1):

stungun0404

not voting (1):

Aronis

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

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3 days, 16 hours till deadline

no aronis vote except a sheeping of me on nsg

[stungun0404]

i’m the type that can reevaluate and solve a micro game after some flips, so just let me work my magic there

[stungun0404]

like stungun is blacklisted regardless of alignment. you're blacklisted if you're town. aronis I'll avoid if he's town but meh

NSG I'll stop expecting to lift a finger to defend me but I guess that wasn't a realistic expectation ever

2 blacklists in friemds mafia calls for this

[stungun0404]

rc/gif: i made you a 5-song playlist on youtube, one that was designed to be brief and have a calming atmosphere to it because i love music and i very sincerely do not want to continue fighting with you in this thread. i have no desire to continue fighting with you.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... b62hO-WFJJ

[stungun0404]

gif’s continual persistence with her defense does make me want to believe she is town on the surface of it and that my read has been wrong; i just don’t know gif’s capabilities are as scum tbf

@gif, have you ever fought this hard against being lynched in a scum game by calling for a particular player to be lynched no matter what, or defending to an extent anywhere similar to this?

if i could see firsthand evidence that your best scum game or any scum games of yours do not replicate that, this would alleviate a ton of my worries.

[stungun0404]

@shoshin, why is creature out of your pool? i would likely replace nico with creature. i can prove that nico lurks out of town games —> is this an excuse for them, no? but it likely means nico is town this game

lurkiest games for nico in terms of posts:
be yourself mafia (nico robin is prodded twice and replaces out with 5 posts from february 8th-11th); alignment —> town
flip here (note gamma emerald was the second replace-in for nico’s role): viewtopic.php?p=10000155#p10000155

micro 774 (7 posts from Jan 30th to february 10th after replacing in for a slot); alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74725&user_select%5B%5D=31019

micro 811 (nico makes 2 posts in one day then replaces out with no prods) —> alignment town
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76496

newbie 1870 (makes 4 posts in one day as SE before the worst replaces nico) —> alignment town

speaking of which, it looks like nico has a serious tendency of replacing out of town roles, so maybe that is where i have been getting that impression from



yippee, i found a town game where nico was seriously invested! 416 game related posts from may 2nd, 2018 to june 14th, 2018. = why can’t nr do that consistently? 416/44 = roughly 9.45 posts per game day. kokichi was in this game as scum, so that can uphold what he threw out earlier in his perspective of nico being lurkier as scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071&user_select% ... &start=400

mini theme 2008: both kokichi and nico were scum; first scum game for nico i can trace back to!
96 posts from april 30th to may 26th = 96/27 = just under 4 posts per game day, but a sort of consistency in keeping up with the thread in this scum game. therefore, kokichi’s statement of concern re: nico being lurkier as scum appears more valid from his perspective having seen the games they have been and considered them based off number of posts.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76100

maria’s anime binge mafia: which included all of kokichi, nicorobin, and i. kokichi and nicorobin were town, and on my alt i was a scum replace-in for nsg in this game. this game also involved a town creature, so this might be worth studying up on, although it is a large theme.
nicorobin: 18 posts from may 3rd to may 18th; alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75978

touhou ucanpick5 mafia; nicorobin —> town replace-in and replace-out —> 1 post on april 12th
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75489&user_select%5B%5D=31019

mini 2000: 4 posts in 2 days by nicorobin, including one calling for a replace-out
alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75505&user_select%5B%5D=31019

kokichi seen a less lurkier town game of nico’s in grand idea mafia, so again further to his credit


and that is literally all i have to go off from nico’s tendencies


nico has 1 scum game in her entire discography of games that i seen, and it was a upick game. i would not be surprised at all actually if nicorobin chose scum for her role in this game, upon reflection. she has replaced out of an abundance of town games, and no scum games. so perhaps she chose scum because it appears she does not tend to role scum, and tends to replace out of town games?