NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Gamma Emerald]

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

[Chickadee]

I've actually really been liking Sky's recent posts. I think the defense is genuine.
UNVOTE:

Not sure where to go from here. Is there still interest in a HWS flip?

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

correct

[Gamma Emerald]

1) no. SK is scum imo and the optimal play for anyone but tw who shot Dram is obviously to stay quiet and shoot tw at night.

2) andrius was obvtown and I doubt MOI faked an inno on his buddy like that. chick is town because Nosferatu is town.

3) hmmm it's almost like you don't need to literally case someone for them to be potential scum

3)

1) SK is not scum and the fact that you are saying that makes my thing you are scum afraid of getting shot. You are throwing far too much shade the killing role’s direction.

2) But by this, MOI is conftown, because Andy confirmed he got the banana.

3) Considering that most of the thread disagrees with you on brass!scum imo, a case would be appreciated. Thanks. Which is not to mention the fact that by throwing HWS and brass on the same level, you’re implying that there was 2 scum on Dram’s wagon...?

1) SK is not town.
2) Uhhh...scum fruit vendor exists?
3) I actually felt a bit sketchy about brass myself when he was engaging me, it felt awkward and fake

[Gamma Emerald]

Andrius was MOI's "sounding board?"

I don't like that comparison, it sound suspiciously like MOI was just using him to make himself sound better....

Keeping this in mind for later.

what do you think sounding board means

I think that it means that you’re using a person or thing as a control for the things you say, so you can test whether or not they sound reasonable or not.
Which given the circumstances sounds like he’s saying he was using Andy’s willingness to agree with him to make his arguments sound better. Which is not something that would come from a town mindset.

Going to work on this case on MOI and try to have it done before the day is over.

Sounding board is more of a person you work with to make sure your thinking is rational, sorta like a logic proofreader.

[Inferno390]

Andrius was MOI's "sounding board?"

I don't like that comparison, it sound suspiciously like MOI was just using him to make himself sound better....

Keeping this in mind for later.

what do you think sounding board means

I think that it means that you’re using a person or thing as a control for the things you say, so you can test whether or not they sound reasonable or not.
Which given the circumstances sounds like he’s saying he was using Andy’s willingness to agree with him to make his arguments sound better. Which is not something that would come from a town mindset.

Going to work on this case on MOI and try to have it done before the day is over.

Sounding board is more of a person you work with to make sure your thinking is rational, sorta like a logic proofreader.

Okay
But again, why does that come from town?

[Inferno390]

Also realized that just because Chick is cool Motown by Andy does not make Andy conftown.

[Inferno390]

Okay, so I’ve decided to start over on my read on MoI just to take a fresh look and gather thoughts. Here is D1:

196: the move on flubber feels tonally off. Like, it almost sounds like he thinks flubber is confscum, Which I’m not seeing given gamestate atp.
319 has a few problems. First, the dark horse claim is weird to say the least. It sounds like he’s trying to keep his options open for a hard scumread. Plus it comes in the same post that davesaz calls out the fact that his read on flubber is weak. Then there’s his stuff on Profii. While what he’s saying is true, it reads like he’s more of soft defending Profii than reading him as Town for it.
439: I don’t get his read on flubber here. It’s exactly the same read as before, and there’s a notable lack of information for the words posted. Also, this dark horse thing is very much off.
577: I really don’t like this post. MoI says that scum generally works harder at how their votes are perceived, but with the flubber wagon, it’s starting to feel like he’s doing exactly that...? And then his davesaz vote feels very much opportunistic. It reads of “ha, I caught you doing something scummy, so I’m gonna make you look bad over it.”
711-725: I don’t like how quickly MoI flips his read on the Dave slot here. He goes from “pretty confident of scum” to “eh, you’ve got problems, but I’ll let it pass.”
Reading through 861, I’ve noticed that MoI has done nothing to expand on his flubber read, which is odd since he started off acting like he was so sure flubber was scum. But there’s been nothing else about him from the slot. Remember how I said the flubber wagon was scum engineered? This could be it.
Also, with 861 is particular, there is a major posturing thing going on with his read on Hit that I don’t like, especially since his only reason he doesn’t move is vote is because he thinks Flubber is lurking out the counter wagon, even though as I have pointed out, his flubber read is weaksauce.
1065: Noticing a lack of hunting from MoI atp. The only thing he’s really got atp is flubber, and I would be willing to call his read on the slot weak. Also, he hasn’t pushed Taly at all since the initial exchange with him, which given his reservations about the slot seems odd.
Then you get down to the bottom of this post, and you see... MoI soft chainsaw gets Taly for voting dram. Considering he has given 0 read on Dram all game, I find this totally odd.
1225: This is chainsaw, especially since MoI hasn’t actually given a reason that dram is Town...? Also, remember this post. It’s important.
1294: I think this is a big tick in the scumside for MoI. First, it’s pretty blatant chainsawing. Then there’s the HitAlt thing; this is a major misrep on his part as that is not at all what I meant by the given response. After that, there’s this giant wall of fame schematics that, given the dram flip, reads heavily like scum trying to keep their partner alive as long as possible. Finally, the shade nonsense, which firstly MoI is using a buzzword claim to blow me off, and secondly is a really convulted POV for town.
In summary, 1294 works way too hard to paint me as scum, doesn’t actually explain why dram is Town, and is mostly using technical stuff instead of real reads to paint my push on Dram as bad.
That’s all for D1. Other notes on it is that it goes by with MoI giving very few reads at all. There’s also a striking lack of content on dram for how against the lynch is. With flubber’s flip, a second look shows his read on the wagon to be very weak. And with the flip of dram overnight, it makes MoI defense and chainsaws for the slot seem odd, to say the least.

[Inferno390]

I’m going to also come back to this in my ISO, but that attack on me from MoI earlier...
I was thinking about it, and I realized that I haven’t actually been “irrationally tunneling” anyone this game, nor have I had a “complete lack of logic.” However, that sounds suspiciously like some of my early games.

So in other words, that post is a very unnecessary attack on me that doesn’t actually address what I said combined with an apparent meta dive that came out of nowhere.

[Inferno390]

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

Hit verified he can kill and no one has stepped up to CC. Until someone does, he’s not scum, he’s vig or SK. So we do not lynch him until further notice.

[Taly]

Inferno

Talk about the pool
{A50, HWS, profii, Sky, xyzzy}

Discussion outside of this is not optimal for town right now given the gamestate, dayphase content, and deadline

[Taly]

Phoneposting btw

Also I don't know if I'll have time to post elaborately tonight so I'll try tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

But again, why does that come from town?

I mean it's not an always town thing, but it's not as scummy as you make it out to be
basically, CHILL.

[Gamma Emerald]

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

Hit verified he can kill and no one has stepped up to CC. Until someone does, he’s not scum, he’s vig or SK. So we do not lynch him until further notice.

SK is scum holy shit
SCUM = NOT TOWN HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS
If you weren't infamous for being lynchbait I'd probably want your head here, but this is seriously pinging me

[Inferno390]

Inferno

Talk about the pool
{A50, HWS, profii, Sky, xyzzy}

Discussion outside of this is not optimal for town right now given the gamestate, dayphase content, and deadline

The pool?
With what meta I have on Profii, his play today has been sub optimal. I would lynch there at this moment. However, I want to read though the HWS ISO and see if there is reason to to go there.
The Sky exchange with Ausuka has been TvT imo. And I don’t think there’s a real case on A50 atp, and nothing of Elbirn’s was ever that bad?
Xyzzy is possible, but I also want to ISO them.

[Inferno390]

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

Hit verified he can kill and no one has stepped up to CC. Until someone does, he’s not scum, he’s vig or SK. So we do not lynch him until further notice.

SK is scum holy shit
SCUM = NOT TOWN HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS
If you weren't infamous for being lynchbait I'd probably want your head here, but this is seriously pinging me

Scum is scum and 3p is 3p. If you say scum, I will always assume you mean scum on the scum team.
And A) I don’t know what else I’m supposed to pull from your line of thought, and B) IT DOESNT FRICKING MATTER IF HES SK OR VIG UNTIL ENDGAME ANYWAYS, SO STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM

Thank you

[Inferno390]

SK is not scum because he has to kill all the scum before endgame to win. He cannot won while scum is still alive.
I don’t know how many times I’ve gone over this, and I’m really fricking sick of it. Bottom line is that NO ONE should even be talking about lynching TW until all the scum are dead.

@Taly: my walls on MoI are mostly there for posterity just in case I get shot. Once I’m dead I want people to be able to read my thoughts and ideas see them.

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

[Inferno390]

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.

hmmm where's the scum kill then?

[Inferno390]

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.

hmmm where's the scum kill then?

Someone told me once that PGO doesn’t die if they are shot at
Just check the wiki and this is obviously not true
Nvm then

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Unless the loud player that targeted you last night is a protective.

hmmm where's the scum kill then?

Someone told me once that PGO doesn’t die if they are shot at
Just check the wiki and this is obviously not true
Nvm then

That's PROBABLY a misunderstanding from translating the EM role Granny to the MS role PGO, which are similar except for that distinction

[Chickadee]

Also realized that just because Chick is cool Motown by Andy does not make Andy conftown.

Gonna assume that middle part is supposed to say confirmed town, instead of "cool Motown." I don't know that I'm quite cool enough for "cool Motown" status.

Not assuming Andy's slot to be town is ridiculous. Scum has little incentive to actually confirm town, especially the way Andy did with so many claims coming out. Scum has huge incentive to call people town, and vocally not want to be on their wagon, but little incentive to be confirming people. Andy's slot is as good as confirmed.

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Please no.

Don't try to get another wagon going

[Taly]

If this could help a quicker decision for town - since this gamestate is relatively foreign to my many games of experience - let's do it this way.

Sky

A50

Profii

HWS

xyzzy

We all place our names for a pseudo-wagon on the people of this group that we want to lynch right now.

After all the cooperating and majority of the playerlist places their name someone, the most votes gets lynched.

If there's a tie, the playerlist can discuss between a smaller pool.

I'll make my choices after I read more in depth tomorrow.

[profii]

Me please

[Taly]

If anyone has a problem with this method then they should be quick, direct, and succinct.

Copy/paste the name-line-up-pool like

person - Taly
person 2 -

etc.