Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[Jingle]

Fuzzy isn't cop. We only have 8 hours and need a lynch.

vote for a deadline extension of 1 week

Just in case it doesn't work.

VOTE: fuzzy

8 hrs remain this is L1 someone hammer. I can guarantee he isn't cop.

For reference, this is the post that means I cannot be allowed to live until LYLO. I got incredibly excited when I first read it, and then sad when I realized it guaranteed a mislynch. At least I get to lynch Pine though.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pine

Jingle and hiraki after

[Jingle]

Why Hiraki?

[Pine]

Because he scum, fool.

Check your role PM again, he's listed as our buddy.

Oh shit my bad wrong thread.

[Lycanfire]

still waiting for that great reason to explain why this shit show of a day has to continue

[Wisdom]

it doesnt now
Jingle scumposted enough

[Lycanfire]

look at pine, multiply his posts by three. we can ignore pine's posts, but there's two other people in this thread that are given the opportunity to rule a day that shouldn't exist.

[Wisdom]

btw im most likely the kill given the effort jingle put into budddying me, so please dont ignore my reads tomorrow

They cant win if you dont let them

[Lycanfire]

Do you think scum are using this time not to get lynched or to use it to construct the best lylo? Considering only Pine can get lynched today, I've been operating under the latter assumption.

[MathBlade]

Because having the chance to get rid of the cop D1 without having to worry about the protective role getting in the way is probably worth the risk of voting together.

Why do you have the opposite read?

The way the wagon formed is precisely why I thought Pine was scum in the first place.

The game was stalled out, Pine wasn't really trying for the lynch, and he wasn't really pushing. Pine, both as town and scum is more than capable of pushing a lynch, which means he didn't really care. Thus, scum was probably not in a position where they needed to be concerned at all on day one

Pine voted for fuzzy in 35 for a weak reason, then stayed there for the entire day phase. He pretended to be hardscumreading it but spent no time pushing the lynch. The only reason the wagon even went through was because of a deadline with absentee players. BoP, but Pine town and Pine scum are better at getting their lynch through than that. If he'd actually cared about lynching fuzzy, it wouldn't be a deadline affair, it would have been done long before that. Conclusion? Pine didn't give a shit and both leading wagons are town, meaning Fitzslot can be trusted.

Your analysis is suspect because of the votes on Fuzzy, two came post cop claim. My slot's vote and Wisdom's deadline hammer. My slot is necessarily town by my own information, and Wisdom's slot spent the end of the phase trying to get a different wagon to take off.

How would you respond if I said your scumtell was here and I planned on pushing you tomorrow?

I'd wonder why you were waiting if you thought I actually was scum. TBF, I did realize that I 100% need to be lynched before LYLO anyway though, from a mechanical standpoint, because my slot fake softclaimed D1 and thus we can't bring me to LYLO.

My answer to this is: “Why would you cast shade on me when we know Pine is the proper lynch today?”

I am 100% DTLJ tomorrow.

[Pine]

Why not lynch Jingle today? You've got one scum caught, why not drive this second one home while you have the momentum and leadership to do so? I guarantee my buddies shoot to fragment this unity tonight.

[TrinityNZ]

LO, your read on the D1 wagon is pretty much the opposite of mine. Any particular reason you expect scum were keen to push specifically that lynch through?

Still quite interested in this response, don't particularly want to talk about Pinescum case until I get an answer. Still do want to talk about Pine scumcase.



@Trinity:

Who are your other scumreads and why?

Your slot was a troll slot before replacing out but your entrance has me feel moderately okay about you.

I kinda got that from D2, actually, which means I was never going to be the nightkill last night and the lycan bit is less damning than I previously thought, but still worth noting. His continued posting makes me more and more certain I'm correct.

Spoiler: Wistown Case Quotes

i dont like fitz
his scumleans are based on nai things

i like hiraki and arc
hiraki's articulated read on arc felt good even though I disagree
arc omgusing me is natural for town-her as she's a reactive person mainly based on emotions

<<<

INFRACTION

: Fifth post on a page in under 24 hours; user has been warned. >>>

What NAI things are my scumleans based on wrt you and Eevee?

These:

@Eevee, wrt 77...as much as you value your vote if you WERE to vote it would be me, the person who's possibly posted the least? You've no suspicions up to this point from what content there is from others?

@Wis, wrt 82...do you ever say you're town when you're scum? If fluffing is NAI why the Koki vote?

You having posted the least doesn't mean Eevee is not allowed to scumread you more than people who have posted more. This is no basis for a scumlean.

Me saying I am town is meaningless and thus nai. Me voting Kokichi can be for any number of reasons regardless of what I think of his fluff. This is no basis for a scumlean.

VOTE: fitz

dont post again, Wisdom, fourth post.

There is a pattern here that is established and continued that leads me to believe Wisdom is town. The pages where Wisdom has trouble with hitting his limit early are also those pages where Wisdom is pushing a read. He's not using his posts to strongman the thread and get people to follow him, but to prod and illuminate. Admittedly, I remembered him as actually getting more infractions, but the posts that were close and thus posts in which he reminds himself not to continue posting follow this pattern.

This tells me Wisdom is likely having trouble not continuing to post not because he's spammy scum who wants to control the thread but because he's spammy town who wants to comment/poke for content.

Additionally, he gets major credit for being a voice of reason on both of the bad-theory lynches.

I'll be back to do more reading later, in case anyone has questions.

How would you respond if I said your scumtell was here and I planned on pushing you tomorrow?

I’m doubting myself after being so wrong about Eevee, but if I had to vote someone other than Pine, it would be Hiraki. Let’s just vote Pine already though.

[MathBlade]

Nah I want Jingle to be caught up before night happens

I want “I didn’t have time” to not be an excuse for Jingle not being caught up

[mastina]

May not be able to mod until this afternoon (after counseling appointment) depending on how much time I have.
But for now, I know we have a hammer, so locking.

[mastina]

End of Day Votecount

Pine - 5 (Dunnstral, TrinityNZ, Hiraki, Lycanfire, Wisdom)

Not Voting - 4 (Pine, Jingle, MathBlade, LuckyOtter)

5 to lynch.

[mastina]

Pine

,

Mafia Goon

,

Lynched D3

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Pine, Mafia Goon

Pine

, you are a

Mafia Goon

.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.

Factional Abilities

1. [REDACTED LINK]
   .
   
2. [REDACTED]
   (
   Goon
   ) and
   [REDACTED]
   (
   Encryptor
   ) are your partners.
   
3. During Night, select a mafiate; select a player. Named mafiate attempts a kill on target player.
   
4. Vanilla Townie role PM:
   Pine

   , you are a

   Vanilla Townie

   .
   You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
   You win if all

   mafia

   are dead.
   
   Game thread.
   Confirm role via PM.
5. If desired, formatting for any specific Investigative/Protective PR is available on request.

You win if all

town

die.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.

<<< Night 3 begins now.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-08-01 15:39:26). >>>

[mastina]

<<< Action locked in; daystart momentarily. >>>

[mastina]

Wisdom

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed N3

.

<<< Day Four begins. >>>

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Jingle

What’s the proper strategy here Jingle?

[LuckyOtter]

Easiest answer here is Jingle+Hiraki. At least one, maybe both. Both were after Wisdom D1 as well, and I felt pretty confident then that scum was pushing that wagon. Right now I'm more confident about Jingleslot than Hiraki, though it occurs to me that Hiraki might be buddying me, and Jingle's apparent confusion over Hiraki as 3rd scum (1152) makes that pairing more likely. Still need convincing it's not Trinity, though.

[Jingle]

What’s the proper strategy here Jingle?

I recognize all of these as English words.

I recognize that together those words form a sentence.

I don't recognize that sentence as having any meaning at all in the context of this game, and would appreciate translation.

I await your mysterious scumtell, preferably sooner than later, so that I can tell if you're blowing smoke up my ass or just hilariously wrong.

And for the record, I have read the thread at this point.

@LO: What?

[Hiraki]

I don't buddy period.

[LuckyOtter]

@Jingle, if you've read the thread, there should be no confusion at this point

@Hiraki, K. Yesterday you said you didn't like some of Dunn's phrasings. Can you clarify that with examples?

[MathBlade]

What’s the proper strategy here Jingle?

I recognize all of these as English words.

I recognize that together those words form a sentence.

I don't recognize that sentence as having any meaning at all in the context of this game, and would appreciate translation.

I await your mysterious scumtell, preferably sooner than later, so that I can tell if you're blowing smoke up my ass or just hilariously wrong.

And for the record, I have read the thread at this point.

@LO: What?

viewtopic.php?p=10176950#p10176950

The place where your scum tell exists.

You said you had to be lynched before Mylo. I scumread you. You’re following a scum tell.

You need to die.

What are your reads in more detail?

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki, K. Yesterday you said you didn't like some of Dunn's phrasings. Can you clarify that with examples?

They read bad in post-sight. I might've called them good before but there's something I didn't really get about them. That had a lot to do with how Lucky had Eevee and Pine pinned as scum together. I never ever got that feeling and we agreed on reads there. I think Wisdom even called me out on this and I just said I dunno.

Pine you need to get on eevee

When, at the same time:

2. Earlier in the game I'd disagree with this, but given the state of the game now, this is correct. Just sticking a single vote on someone when there are 2 or 3 other wagons going, the proponents of which aren't budging very much, is not going to go anywhere and Eevee must know this.
If Eevee actually proposed any kind of case for pushing Pine, I'd feel better about it.

Seems like a scum on scum interaction to me - eevee with pine

I get the feeling that Fuzzy is town, also I don't like seeing pine and sircakez on there

1) cause honestly i dont see why mom got killed at all

Why does that mean it wasn't pine specifically?

Weird that you said this but now can't back it up or even explain your thought process here

It's only after they CC that this theory (obviously) drops but it's weird in hindsight. There's really no reason to push it this hard. Which is something to note when the CC does happen -

I'm the doctor. Back off

Now stop with the counter wagons and get on eevee

I don't get where this shift comes from.