SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

Krazy · Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:52 pm

Hottake: Shoshin is SK, Pun is Maf, Vax is town. C.Shep is scum roleblocker which is why Shoshin is voting him.

Why am I wrong? I mean I'm sure I am I just don't know why yet.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:56 pm

In post 2725, Krazy wrote:Hottake: Shoshin is SK, Pun is Maf, Vax is town. C.Shep is scum roleblocker which is why Shoshin is voting him.

Why am I wrong? I mean I'm sure I am I just don't know why yet.

Pun is confirmed vig/SK
Shoshin hasn’t claimed any killing abilities
Vax claimed they tried to kill me
I am town who tried to die.

I am not a roleblocker and have both flavor and role name. So if I was lying a rolecop or flavor cop would out me if I was scum.

Your hot take is cold af

Krazy · Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:58 pm

What's your flavor and role name again?

Krazy · Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:00 pm

Why does Shoshin not claiming a killing ability mean she is not SK?

Pun is confirmed killing role but I don't see how that removes him from being GF.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:02 pm

In post 2728, Krazy wrote:Why does Shoshin not claiming a killing ability mean she is not SK?

Pun is confirmed killing role but I don't see how that removes him from being GF.

That would make Shoshin the world’s worst SK which if that’s the case resolves itself
Confirmed killing as in claimed the extra kill day two and no CC. While she could be a scum vig odds are pretty low that she would claim the shot if scum

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:03 pm

In post 2364, Commander Shepard wrote:Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.

In post 2386, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2364, Commander Shepard wrote:Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.
Conditional Redirector Suicide Bomber is the official name of the role.

Suicide Bomber is available on the Wiki.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ide_Bomber

Redirector is on the wiki but it’s actually a passive on my suicide bomber.

Conditional is well obvious. It relies on me being shot and the conditions applied as I mentioned.

Shoshin · Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:04 pm

Why isn't Pun a scum vig?

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:05 pm

In post 2731, Shoshin wrote:Why isn't Pun a scum vig?

Again because scum vigs a) just aren’t a thing
And b) they don’t claim Day one/two
And C) they don’t claim more shots than they have

All three are recipes for suicide if scum vig

Shoshin · Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:12 pm

a) contrary to what you're saying, scum killing roles are a thing. And given the ranking mechanics, Pun's claim fits particularly well as scum.

b) Why not? If I were a scum killing role, I'd want to claim the role ASAP instead of hiding it (as most town vigs do).

c) Uh, more shots than they have? I don't follow. Scum lie about things, and they thrive on creating chaos. Why wouldn't they lie about that?

Shoshin · Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:15 pm

In post 2732, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2731, Shoshin wrote:Why isn't Pun a scum vig?
Again because scum vigs a) just aren’t a thing
And b) they don’t claim Day one/two
And C) they don’t claim more shots than they have

All three are recipes for suicide if scum vig

They're clearly not "recipes for suicide" since he's still alive.

Dunnstral · Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:26 pm

In post 2725, Krazy wrote:Hottake: Shoshin is SK

sk that isn't killing anybody

Stop the sk paranoi, it's prett ymuch impossible for shoshin to be a sk

Dunnstral · Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:30 pm

Pun isn't sk because his role doesn't function properly as an sk (can't kill people ranke higher than him)

Vax is the only place I'd say is possible for an sk to be, but there's nothing to suggest that so I'm not paranoid for no reason and they're not mafia

Other people can't be sk because then there's too many killing roles

Dunnstral · Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:32 pm

I don't think scum have a vig

Lynch Commander Shepard and stop believing everything that comes out of their mouth

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:33 pm

In post 2733, Shoshin wrote:a) contrary to what you're saying, scum killing roles are a thing. And given the ranking mechanics, Pun's claim fits particularly well as scum.

b) Why not? If I were a scum killing role, I'd want to claim the role ASAP instead of hiding it (as most town vigs do).

c) Uh, more shots than they have? I don't follow. Scum lie about things, and they thrive on creating chaos. Why wouldn't they lie about that?

A) They are a thing I have been scum with a scum killing role.
Look at my meta in that game Night and Day and I had a hood
Compare it to here. I assure you Pun is not scum.

B) Yes claim the role as you have it. If Pun was an unlimited scum vig that would A) Be broken and B) Conditional BP and Conditional Vig is broke as shit if one scum role. C) Scum lie yes, scum create chaos yes, but not in ways that can be potentially checked. Especially if Pun truthclaimed because that would be half scums KPN if they die.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:34 pm

In post 2736, Dunnstral wrote:Pun isn't sk because his role doesn't function properly as an sk (can't kill people ranke higher than him)

Vax is the only place I'd say is possible for an sk to be, but there's nothing to suggest that so I'm not paranoid for no reason and they're not mafia

Other people can't be sk because then there's too many killing roles

SK by definition has at least one kill is 3P and goes to end game
Neutral survivor is 3P can scum or townside but has kill.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:35 pm

In post 2734, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2732, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2731, Shoshin wrote:Why isn't Pun a scum vig?
Again because scum vigs a) just aren’t a thing
And b) they don’t claim Day one/two
And C) they don’t claim more shots than they have

All three are recipes for suicide if scum vig
They're clearly not "recipes for suicide" since he's still alive.

Punreader is a GOOD player. I have complete faith they are not scum here
SK is most likely because of how powerful their role is compared to all the others.

Shoshin · Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:46 pm

In post 2740, Commander Shepard wrote:Punreader is a GOOD player. I have complete faith they are not scum here

Pun's not playing well... your faith isn't reassuring...

Dunnstral · Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:47 pm

There's like 4 mafia, if you're not voting commander Shepard you'd better have a real good idea of who the scum team is

Dunnstral · Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:49 pm

potentially 5 mafia

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:09 pm

In post 2743, Dunnstral wrote:potentially 5 mafia

If it’s 5 then it’s the lylo I have been mentioning
If it’s 4 + SK it is still lylo
If it’s 4 + 2 town vigs it’s only not lylo if both vigs don’t shoot if either vig shoots and hits town and we mislynch anyone especially me we lose

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2745 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:09 pm

There are only 11 alive

ISO · Post Post #2746 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:10 pm

who the fuck is town

Shoshin · Post Post #2747 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:11 pm

I'm town.

Vax is town.

I don't know about anyone else.

I'm lost this game.

Dunnstral · Post Post #2748 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:14 pm

How does the double vote thing work, did we ever find that out? Is the person with the pr control the other persons vote, or vice versa?

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2749 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:14 pm

In post 2747, Shoshin wrote:I'm town.

Vax is town.

I don't know about anyone else.

I'm lost this game.

This is scum that doesn’t want to give up townreads after we lynch her so the next day we’re still stumped