Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like the song are SOMEWHAT topical so while they're obfuscating it shows she's aty least appraised of the situation, idk if scum take that extra time
plus beyond that post I do recall some other points where she's participated
and how do you conclude I was just defending Katsuki when it came after several other posts, that's extremely hard to do and makes me think you're lying about that

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.

whose tog that you refer to here? toranaga?

[zMuffinMan]

sakura voting a mason is

[The Dream Weaver]

Votecount 3.14

Leader: Frozen Angel

Sando (6):

Nosferatu, Creature, Kokichi Oma, Toogeloo, Titus, Gamma Emerald

Katsuki (3):

Shiro, Sakura Hana, hebichan

Titus (3):

Katsuki, stungun0404, the worst

the worst (1):

Sando

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Shiro (0):

stungun0404 (0):

the worst (0):

Toogeloo (0):

Toranaga (0):

zMuffinMan (0):

Not Voting (6):

Drixx, Frozen Angel, MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39, Toranaga, zMuffinMan

With

19

players, it takes

10

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-02 21:00:00).

Abilities Available for Acquisition

**Healing Touch:

Target another player. If that player has not been killed, any debilitating or harmful effects are removed.

Impenetrable Skin:

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Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

*Shapeshifting:

Target another player. Any actions you take this Night Phase will appear as though that player performed them instead.

*May be used to modify any Superpowers a player may have. Does not count against the number of Superpowers a player may use each Night Phase.
**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

[stungun0404]

i’m looking at the numbers wagon here

Titus, you're not looking very town

i want to note so we remember that this was ank’s initial reaction to the first time that titus voted numbers with original reason titus formulated (titus voted numbers earlier, but only to follow up on a promise of sheeping whoever brassherald votes).


and i will also note this to be as impartial as possible

Can you look town in the meantime so I can solve the game

which implies she kinda thinks titus might be town and wants her to look more town, idk.


umm, lol. now that i see it; the hangman post by numbers/123456789 in 1084 would be filled in perfectly with titus is scum, lmao. idk what to make of that, or if it means anything that i just made a connection there; sando is scum would logically fit there too, but numbers was more concerned about titus at this point.

scum reads from numbers in 1094: nancy, human, cerb, titus and ankamius. if there happens to be one scum in there, i think it’s most likely human sequencer’s slot —> creature or even likelier —> titus. ankamius and cerb are proven to be town, obv. nancy drew is very likely to be town imo now that i’ve seen her voting tendencies as town.



the feeling that i have with titus that i can’t get away from as that i feel like she’s not genuine in her pushes, which is definitely subjective reasoning, but it comes off as scummy to me.

VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.

this reads like it could be a wagon starter on a partner, i don’t think that should be against debate. it’s not really bussing hard, but i struggle to see how she as town voted sando yesterday for tunneling on drixx — who similarly does not seem to townread slots. this logic thus reads to me as though it could be simply a one-time argument to use against a partner, seeing the inconsstency of its application. i mean, drixx hasn’t given a single relevant townread. why isn’t titus on drixx about this? maybe it’s only relevant if that’s the playstyle of drixx, idk, but it just seems kinda weird to me if that’s not. would also depend on if titus has played with drixx before


1095: why does numbers call into question zmuffinman’s stance on sando being town here if sando is a partner of numbers? doesn’t make sense, and by occam’s razor here, sando is unlikely to be a partner of numbers. calling into question a townread on a partner of mine is something i at least know i would never do for scum, so i’m assuming of course most other players wouldn’t. there’s no need to bring attention to them like that.

still analyzing...

[Toogeloo]

why would you vote for someone for leader because of such reasons when you had a readlist sorted?

scum distancing and avoiding the lynchwagon is something just about everyone would be up to do if they were scum, so that’s not the soundest of reason there imo. you have to dig deeper if you are town

I voted for a leader literally within 20 minutes of getting my role pm. Sue me...

[The Dream Weaver]

Creature has been prodded.

[stungun0404]

Titus, you're not looking very town

The same could be said for your slot.

Random could also be scum by virtue of having done like nothing this game; I can’t remember a single post from them. Same for Mylo who also has a scum meta of keeping quiet.

hmm. don’t know if scum would bring attention to their partner here.

random slot = mathblade now, which i didn’t know until earlier today, and randomidget has a tendency of getting replaced for in town games from my experience, so that probably means mathblade is town

[Sando]

I was sleepy and the lynch VCA didn't copy paste. If I am understanding my notes correctly, Sando should be voting Numbers even after that wagon.

Nope, I hammered ffs, that was part of the push on me D2, how do you miss that? FA's point that the hammer was "eww" is fair and reasonable, but your "the data shows" is utter bullshit.

I think Sando by votes is likely to flip due to the wagon swinging from him to a lurket and his disappearance.

That's not how D2 went down. The wagon was on Mylo and others for most of the day and switched TO me incredibly late. I went overseas about 36 hours before day end, which I posted about btw, and everything happened after that. I was never the predominant wagon afaik.

You're basing your entire case on me off incorrect assumptions, apparently this is what you're known for?

My focus today would be on Sando,

the worst

, bb slit and Math.

the worst - Coasting regardless of his alignment

Mmmhmmm, good effort with the focus on duckling there.

[stungun0404]

early theory spewing; either titus is scum or numbers literally bussed/scumread/did anything to point out the scumminess of any his partners.

[stungun0404]

*did nothing to point out the scumminess of

[Sando]

uses vca to uphold weak scumread/earlier vote of sando, albeit still with very little support. doesn’t explain *why this is a possible bus —> which would be pivotal towards upholding such a stance.

I wanna know why Titus seems to be saying that me voting Titus is a possible bus...

LMAO super fail xD
I didnt even realize that.

pointout where titus says that pls

Here:

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus

(6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald,

Sando

, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD,

Sando possible bus

[MathBlade]

Titus, you're not looking very town

The same could be said for your slot.

Random could also be scum by virtue of having done like nothing this game; I can’t remember a single post from them. Same for Mylo who also has a scum meta of keeping quiet.

hmm. don’t know if scum would bring attention to their partner here.

random slot = mathblade now, which i didn’t know until earlier today, and randomidget has a tendency of getting replaced for in town games from my experience, so that probably means mathblade is town

This is blatantly false.

Don’t get me wrong I love the fact you fixed your read but I almost never replace out of games.

Are you thinking I am an alt or something?

[MathBlade]

I replace INTO a lot of games but I am hardly ever replaced. I view replacing out as a never ever do.

[stungun0404]

i’m talking about randomidget’s replace out, not your replace-in

[MathBlade]

Oh I just read that again derp

You mean random being replaced not me. I misplaced a comma sorry

[stungun0404]

it happens. all is good

[MathBlade]

it happens. all is good

I dunno about that.

I am still trying to piece together a lot of d3 and I keep feeling like mush from a majority of people’s arguments. I feel like everyone is playing in a language I can read but not comprehend.

[stungun0404]

Can you look town in the meantime so I can solve the game

You know I lack that gene. So I am not going to Peacock. Talk to me about Numbers. Do you see that he has little follow through like I do?

If you are doing the same thing as me, why are you scumreading me for it?

hmm, actually this part reads a bit... offputting if they are scum together, i have to admit.

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UNVOTE, VOTE: IRCHER

Are you following the bandwagon, or do you have a legit scumread on me?

but then he does it to katsuki too, so i guess that revokes anything i got from that titus/numbers interaction there because i feel like one of katsuki or titus pretty much has to be scum here.



1103: icky by association? i think that’s plausible. numbers correlates ankamius scumread with the worst.

the most impressive thing about this game is that sando has 39 posts, not a shred of scum hunting in

any

of them and i still think he seems town

kudos, sir

It's a gift.

My D1 scumreads typically suck balls. My TRs tend to be better.

My TRs are FA, duckling, Sakura

wait, sando. what made you townread the worst at this point? and what’s made him look scummier since your townread of him?

[stungun0404]

it happens. all is good

I dunno about that.

I am still trying to piece together a lot of d3 and I keep feeling like mush from a majority of people’s arguments. I feel like everyone is playing in a language I can read but not comprehend.

as in it’s kinda difficult to weed out who here is scum? to an extent, i’d say i agree, but i personally feel i have the most confidence in titus being scum

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so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

Titus did you seriously suggest randomizing PR targets

ankamius suspicion supports where my scumread of titus started! i absoutely find it to be a scummy suggestion, and i take that stance even if titus is town

[stungun0404]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

VOTE: Titus

the post right after the above one was where ank voting titus. it seems like a brainwashing attempt to me where titus was trying to allow scum to make their way into the pr zone.

I'm pretty sure purely random out of 5/22 is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.

THANK YOU

Titus + Nancy are scummy as fuck for pushing that randomize-PRs suggestion and justification.

I really want to flip Titus now; at the very least, FA would be heavily spewed as town from it if she flips scum since that is absolutely not a SvS interaction.

absolutely agree with titus being scummy af for that; making sure to remember that nancy also did that even though i think she’s more likely to be town of the two.

Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.

This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.

Titus isn't this incompetent.

She's scum.

i’ve played one other game with titus on my alt, and i happen to agree with this. in fact, i remember she was nk’d because of her competence as town on n1 in a 24-player game.

I should stick to MU. There my intelligence is respected even if disagreed. I don't get voted for mechanics disagreements and trying to sort from my theory.

You're literally suggesting a plan that:

1. Is likely to have at least one scum being picked for a superpower regardless just via statistics
2. Makes it so FA is not accountable for her picks
3. Makes it so FA can "happen" to have the picks land on scum if she's scum and claim they were random
4. Basically removes any readability from the mechanic, which is the biggest protown way to use it right now

This is a heavily proscum move and I see you in a better light than to assume you would suggest this as town, so you're scum.

a bevy of damn good points here...

[MathBlade]

it happens. all is good

I dunno about that.

I am still trying to piece together a lot of d3 and I keep feeling like mush from a majority of people’s arguments. I feel like everyone is playing in a language I can read but not comprehend.

as in it’s kinda difficult to weed out who here is scum? to an extent, i’d say i agree, but i personally feel i have the most confidence in titus being scum

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so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

Titus did you seriously suggest randomizing PR targets

ankamius suspicion supports where my scumread of titus started! i absoutely find it to be a scummy suggestion, and i take that stance even if titus is town

As in I don’t understand a majority of the arguments anyone is making. The consequence is I am having trouble weeding out who is scum because if everyone making illogical arguments was scum there would be like just me and the people posting absolutely nothing as the only town. (This is a bit of hyperbole but not much)

[Sando]

wait, sando. what made you townread the worst at this point? and what’s made him look scummier since your townread of him?

I know the worst fairly well, and was confident in reading him. I was also very aware of his game commitment issues at that point (I think I called someone out for it really early game even) and was giving him a pass on inaction. He plays very similarly to me, we both get very engaged with the game and riff off other people, I was personally seriously struggling with that D1, and most of D2 tbh, outside of a few names I'd have struggled to read most of the playerbase. I think this was due to the large player count throwing me off (apparently my read of number of kills is off because of that as well), and not knowing anyone really in the player base.

You can see the engagement happening in my play, you can't see the engagement happening in ducklings. My read-lists are getting longer and more in-depth and I'm more active with p.much everyone. Duckling isn't, he's being surly and a bit whiny with me, which is very out of character for him, and generally not being engaged.

D1 I was giving him a pass for things others were accusing him of, and I was confident of being able to read him later game, hence the TR.

I also just flat out refuse to lynch duckling D1 pretty much every game anyway, including the first game I played with him.

[Sando]

I think I called someone out for it really early game even

Wait, I think I actually called out duckling for being shitty at someone accusing him of it. Same outcome though, I was very aware of just how many games he was in/modding.

[MathBlade]

Also would be nice if we didnt scramble so close to EoD. When my internet went down i almost had a heart attack.

Like Sakura and Drixx are the only townreads I feel relatively confident in st this point. And it’s for something not read related. I felt the same way when I had to disappear close to EoD.