NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Nosferatu]

i dont understand why scum would spec that multiball exists

it seems anti-wincon to introduce the idea that scum are scumhunting too

It is a by product of having too much knowledge. The most likely reason to way to be parsing Multiball given how N1 went down is to know that your scum team is undersized and be looking for the other scum.

It is a slip but happens often enough to be noted. Kinda like how Brass who as claimed BP makes total sense as a possible Multiball scum suspect but is nowhere to be seen in Ausuka’s last minute “thoughts”

idk about this but ausukas method of discrediting is concerning.

pedit: :T
profii said it was L-1 so i believed him :/

[Almost50]

Vengeful scum isn't normal.

Are people writing this off as TvT just because it's an argument? Please don't do that.

Mot me. I'm just leaning Town on both of you from before that.

[Ausuka]

Please tell me more about my method of discrediting Nosferatu.

By the way @town: I do have experience with Nos and have read him correctly in NY 211 and police academy based on how his town vs scum games look. This so far is his scum game.

Pedit: Why is Magna town???

[Almost50]

i dont understand why scum would spec that multiball exists

it seems anti-wincon to introduce the idea that scum are scumhunting too

It is a by product of having too much knowledge. The most likely reason to way to be parsing Multiball given how N1 went down is to know that your scum team is undersized and be looking for the other scum.

It is a slip but happens often enough to be noted. Kinda like how Brass who as claimed BP makes total sense as a possible Multiball scum suspect but is nowhere to be seen in Ausuka’s last minute “thoughts”

idk about this but ausukas method of discrediting is concerning.

pedit: :T
profii said it was L-1 so i believed him :/

profii said nothing of the sort. YOU did. If profii had said L-1 your vote would be the HAMMER.

[Raskolnikov]

if not a scum flip i would sus a50 on the flipside though
he was like oh idk lets lynch anyone in the pool for a long time and now he suddenly has strong opinions the second the hammer fell lol

[Almost50]

I do have experience with Nos and have read him correctly in NY 211 and police academy

I have always been under the impression Nos is a she though. But, regardless.. if they're a

he

then he's scum by your assessment, and if they're a

she

then's she's scum by mine.

[MagnaofIllusion]

if there's scum in the fruit vendors its probably MoI

Nah. Just remember when I am Mod confirmed via flip that Aus is pocketing you as scum.

IMHO, Chicka >> Nos >> Profii, so Chicka is now VERY LIKELY SCUM (and I don't care if the Vengful claim is true or false, because Vengeful Scum is a thing).

@MoI: Ausuka is not that convoluted as Scum, I don't think.

Nope. Andy slot aka Nos is 100% lock Town to me. He’s not stupid so I trust that his reason to clear Chick is strong enough that I will be dead well before I would begin to question it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

if not a scum flip i would sus a50 on the flipside though
he was like oh idk lets lynch anyone in the pool for a long time and now he suddenly has strong opinions the second the hammer fell lol

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey A50 since you seem to be around...

Why dont you walk me through your scum motivation for Nos to place a meaningless L+1 vote? If your drift is that Chicka and him are scum partners why on God’s Green earth would they arrange that? If anything hypo scum Chicka should have been warning hypo partner Nos away from casting that vote if it was a scum gambit.

Please tell me more tell me more ...

[profii]

Surely it makes me and chicka scum because “we” fabricated a lol hammer

I’ll need to read up on how chicka is cleared but I’ll just wait til after the flips - another round of PRs etc might make it all easier tomorrow anyway

[Almost50]

Hey A50 since you seem to be around...

Why dont you walk me through your scum motivation for Nos to place a meaningless L+1 vote? If your drift is that Chicka and him are scum partners why on God’s Green earth would they arrange that? If anything hypo scum Chicka should have been warning hypo partner Nos away from casting that vote if it was a scum gambit.

Please tell me more tell me more ...

Looking like they didn't know for Town cred? Making sure this really is a hammer this time around lest someone gets replaced?? I don't have a manual about how Nos plays as scum, but it sire doesn't bode well with me that they didn't check the VC before they voted and even more so that when questioned they responded with "profii said it was L-1" when in fact it's Nos' vote that should have been the L-1 assuming Chicka's L-3 was accurate (i.e. even if Nos thought profii was pitting xy @L-2 it still doesn't make sense for him to forget and say profii put him @L-1)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Um that really doesn’t follow given you are implicitly floating Xyzzy as mislynch in your arguments.

What Town cred do you think could be reaped from participating in a mislynch with a pointless vote? The not knowing point really doesn’t follow because they’d be better off having Nos avoid the mislynch entirely. And the “prevent at no lynch” is an empty point since no one is in replacement mode right now.

I thank you for making the lack of logic clear in twilight since I know Nos is 100% clear and when I die everyone else will also this showing this attack as scummy.

[Taly]

What? How can you have no opinions on players outside the unclaimed players?

I never said that I had no opinion.

I do have opinions, and they're fluctuating a lot.

But I see no point in discussing the people who claimed because I have no way in hell to validate someone's claim as 100% conf.

Nor do I know how that'd fit into a town or scum narrative for that person's alignment.

Discussing claimed players in a large on D2 - this dayphase proves - is mostly speculation AND associative discussion that literally has no clear answer or help at all for the town.

Don't you think some of them have to be scum?

It's very likely, but I have my own suspects right now, and sorting the motives of how EACH player claimed their role and why is begging for both WIFOM and a great lack of clarity.

I want to sort players I know the least about, I want to flip players that I think are very possible partners to

Dram

, not an associative or speculated SvT to another living player right now.

Scum will most definitely be weeded out amongst claimed players soon.

When I die don't let MOI endgame btw

At least 3 other people have shared a sentiment very similar to this... just with different names, and "don't lynch" as well.

OK so I might be a bit spammy this twilight because I don't want to put effort into writing a post and then lose it all.

The most important thing to remember is that MOI is scum not just on role but on play too. His recent ISO is pretty scummy I think, and I've given my thoughts about him.

Taly's town in a surface level way but please be wary of him. He is capable of being surface level obvtown as scum. If it's multiball the 3 scum thing is damning and the fact he refuses to talk about claimed players and thinks all the unclaimed players are scum is also fairly damning.

1)

You're deliberately doubtcasting me by using my own potential as a scumplayer?

I've been doubtcasted AND mislynched in games as power-obvtown because people thought I was a deepwolf.
It's not 100%

"Taly's going to skate by as obvtown since he's OP as scum! Hehehe!"

There ARE towntells and scumtells in my play. You have played with me several times, and while I can't hold you to a specific approach on me, I don't feel good that you're stating I'm surface-level town while not trying to resolve your weariness of me.

It feels like you're intentionally generating uncertainty.

2) WE HAVE NO CONFIRMED WAY TO TELL THAT THIS IS MULTIBALL.

Based off thread information, unless you believe

TW

is an SK, I don't know why you're making an argument that my suspects are

"damning"

to my alignment...

Do you know something about the setup that I don't?

3) READ MY READ PROGRESSION.

I have

NOT ONCE

said that

ALL

the people in

{Sky/HWS/profii/A50/xyzzy}

are scum, but I believe there's a strong argument for more than one person in this group to be scum.

4)

Where did you get the

"3 strong-scum read conviction"

from me? Have you read my cases and thoughts this dayphase?

[Almost50]

Um that really doesn’t follow given you are implicitly floating Xyzzy as mislynch in your arguments.

What Town cred do you think could be reaped from participating in a mislynch with a pointless vote? The not knowing point really doesn’t follow because they’d be better off having Nos avoid the mislynch entirely. And the “prevent at no lynch” is an empty point since no one is in replacement mode right now.

I thank you for making the lack of logic clear in twilight since I know Nos is 100% clear and when I die everyone else will also this showing this attack as scummy.

OK.. next time I role scum in a game you're in I'll make sure to vote the lynchee post hammer to make sure you TR me for it. Thanks for making me realize one new -of many- ways I can fool you with.

[Taly]

A50

is

xyzzy

scum-leaning or town-leaning to you?

[Almost50]

A50

is

xyzzy

scum-leaning or town-leaning to you?

Is that before or after the quick hammer fiasco?? because I obviously had him down as a scum lean (hence was voting him) but now I have serious doubts because of the manner he got hammered.

Now IF xy flips scum still then all my post-hammer arguments go out the window and aren't worth the time I took to type them.

The problem for me is if he flips Town, in which case I find it really intriguing how he went from L-4 to L+1 and the manner the votes were placed on him in that period.

[xyzzy]

welp it looks like I'm Extremely Dead then, and it's even real this time

[xyzzy]

if I'm right about Skygazer being town I think that might make MagnaofIllusion scum

[xyzzy]

re: 2338, the worst vigging me would be highly unproductive.

also fun fact: this was a breadcrumb

[xyzzy]

also while I'm a town lean on Ausuka I think it's worth trying to assess whether y'all think she knew I was actually at L-1 or not

[xyzzy]

actually yeah I feel super confident that Ausuka didn't think that was L-2 and knew it was a hammer and I'mma need to know why

[xyzzy]

oh wait lol profii is the one who actually hammered I misread that shit

[xyzzy]

in fact Ausuka didn't even vote me LISTEN i just woke up from a nap to a hammer and my whole brain is fuck

[Raskolnikov]

whoops

[xyzzy]

whoops

whoops?