Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[projectmatt]

Really? Because his posts read as him whining that people are scumreading him. Not to mention he even at one point said he should be read as obvtown, and I don't think there's anything in his iso that should indicate this.

the vast majority of my posts are articulating my thought process, my reads, or questioning other people in the game. ive rightfully pointed out a couple of times that people are voting me because they're lazy and it's the easiest move for them, and the best way you can think to summarize my play is that im whining?

do better.

[Brian Skies]

we're clearly not reading his tone the same way at all. i don't think #307 was committal. it left open the possibility that he could switch to spiffeh/mylo/maria at any time. he's also not trying to directly engage nosferatu, moreso just saying "this was scummy and here's why". that contrasts his post in minuet, in which he directly called out kaede in a harsh way.

Really? Because all his posts and actions speak otherwise.

[Brian Skies]

Really? Because his posts read as him whining that people are scumreading him. Not to mention he even at one point said he should be read as obvtown, and I don't think there's anything in his iso that should indicate this.

the vast majority of my posts are articulating my thought process, my reads, or questioning other people in the game. ive rightfully pointed out a couple of times that people are voting me because they're lazy and it's the easiest move for them, and the best way you can think to summarize my play is that im whining?

do better.

You are whining.

[projectmatt]

it's a lazy discredit to call my posts whining. by framing my posts that way, you're making people more likely to disregard what im saying. you're also ignoring the valid points im making and disregarding them as "whining" so that you don't have to rub 2 brain cells together and critically think about them.

[Brian Skies]

being straight up, this type of situation tends to give me whiplash because i get legitimately kind of pissed off when people vote me as town. it seems so obvious from my perspective that im not scum and that this is a lazy wagon, but it means that i need to fight the misled town into not voting me, which makes me feel like i can't lay back and just develop my own reads, which is essential for my play.

im trying to do a catch-up post with reads and thoughts but every time i do i end up getting overwhelmed by the amount of effort required and say "fuck it, ill do it tomorrow."

like, purr just posted a case on me that i truthfully think is absolute garbage. it doesn't make sense. it's full of false assumptions. I could use my energy to analyze it line by line and counter every point, but what does that accomplish? nobody's really going to read it in-depth and I feel like I'm just wasting time until I inevitably get voted.

It's legitimately frustrating.

honestly i still think im just killing time until i get mislynched because y'all are too afraid to lynch within people that you already know and i also dont think a lot of you are genuinely interested in reading me

i am salty, though

[Brian Skies]

we're clearly not reading his tone the same way at all. i don't think #307 was committal. it left open the possibility that he could switch to spiffeh/mylo/maria at any time. he's also not trying to directly engage nosferatu, moreso just saying "this was scummy and here's why". that contrasts his post in minuet, in which he directly called out kaede in a harsh way.

Really? Because all his posts and actions speak otherwise.

To elaborate on this, and all of you are free to iso Moment if you're really that interested, but Moment does actually engage and pressure his scumreads, as well as

actually

voting them. Sure, he doesn't really engage Nos or Mylo that much, but he

still

asks people their opinions on them and engages other people on their opinions of said slots.

[projectmatt]

congratulations on quoting 3 out of my 60 posts in order to prove a useless point

being honest about where my head is at with my wagon isn't the same thing as whining. it's also not nearly the only content ive posted. this debate is dumb.

[Brian Skies]

I don't actually really care about establishing that as a valid point against you. Just that you've been whining today and that your Moment push is bad and/or misguided.

[projectmatt]

we're clearly not reading his tone the same way at all. i don't think #307 was committal. it left open the possibility that he could switch to spiffeh/mylo/maria at any time. he's also not trying to directly engage nosferatu, moreso just saying "this was scummy and here's why". that contrasts his post in minuet, in which he directly called out kaede in a harsh way.

Really? Because all his posts and actions speak otherwise.

To elaborate on this, and all of you are free to iso Moment if you're really that interested, but Moment does actually engage and pressure his scumreads, as well as

actually

voting them. Sure, he doesn't really engage Nos or Mylo that much, but he

still

asks people their opinions on them and engages other people on their opinions of said slots.

i think a cursory glance of his iso shows that he has a tendency this game to jump on already established bandwagons and to remain somewhat wishy-washy about his own reads.

im not saying he's never engaged or pressured people, but my point is that there's an immediate difference in his tone and in his approach to this game simply by comparing his first post here with his first post in minuet.

[projectmatt]

I don't actually really care about establishing that as a valid point against you. Just that you've been whining today and that your Moment push is bad and/or misguided.

whatever dude

[Moment]

This game is just become a meme at this rate.

I mean fun and everything is fine, but all the memeing is making it hard for me to sort the stances from the noise.

"I'm scum" "No i'm scum"

All these is making my job harder.
Sorry but if this is how it's gonna be i rather not play.

The fact that everyone just seems to go along with these memes is making me think im the one in the wrong for even daring to go "No fun allowed" so...

Wow, you have no idea how much I can relate, especially with the second quote.

[Brian Skies]

i think a cursory glance of his iso shows that he has a tendency this game to jump on already established bandwagons and to remain somewhat wishy-washy about his own reads.

im not saying he's never engaged or pressured people, but my point is that there's an immediate difference in his tone and in his approach to this game simply by comparing his first post here with his first post in minuet.

What reads has he been wishy washy on? How do these reads of his indicate scum for you?

Why are you treating his first post between two games as some sort of smoking gun?

[Ankamius]

/out

[Nancy Drew 39]

we're clearly not reading his tone the same way at all. i don't think #307 was committal. it left open the possibility that he could switch to spiffeh/mylo/maria at any time. he's also not trying to directly engage nosferatu, moreso just saying "this was scummy and here's why". that contrasts his post in minuet, in which he directly called out kaede in a harsh way.

Really? Because all his posts and actions speak otherwise.

I think Matt is very likely wrong but his push reads sincere to me.

[Purrcocet]

i don't think matt is trying to pander to us so he can live

i think he believes some of the things he says that i think are crazy
i believe his actions re:nancy slot more than I do muffins
i also can see him scumreading moment cause i totally misread them last game

Really? Because his posts read as him whining that people are scumreading him. Not to mention he even at one point said he should be read as obvtown, and I don't think there's anything in his iso that should indicate this.

doesn't seem very survivalistic or trying to appease the people trying to kill him

What crazy things do you think he seriously believes and why?

Moment read, nancy read
He's pushing Nancy like

it seems like he actually tried to sort her in their interactions,
He sounds more like someone who can't see she's obvtown

UNVOTE:

Why do you believe his actions regarding Nancy more than Muffins? Serious question since I may have missed these (or just ignored them), and I don't know why you don't think Muffin could have these interactions regarding Muffin.
.

I think muffin is just a grade a purrfessional bullshitter and it's amazing

/out

bye

[projectmatt]

i think a cursory glance of his iso shows that he has a tendency this game to jump on already established bandwagons and to remain somewhat wishy-washy about his own reads.

im not saying he's never engaged or pressured people, but my point is that there's an immediate difference in his tone and in his approach to this game simply by comparing his first post here with his first post in minuet.

What reads has he been wishy washy on? How do these reads of his indicate scum for you?

Why are you treating his first post between two games as some sort of smoking gun?

he's mainly remained committed to three primary scumreads (that he barely challenged/engaged with) while also hinting that me, spiffeh, (and probably someone else i forget) could also be scum. i felt like his jump on my wagon was insincere and came out of nowhere, and i think he's been content to sit back today and let the town implode. it feels like he's giving himself a lot of wriggle room by barely pushing on the reads he does have.

im not treating it as a smoking gun. nancy told me to iso moment in minuet and see if i still felt the same way. i explained how the first post of each game is a good example of how moment's play feels off this game. youre making it a big deal by nitpicking the reasoning.

[projectmatt]

purr, i think that nancy is town and ive stated it a bunch of times this game, FTR.

[Moment]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MariaR

[Purrcocet]

Why do you believe his actions regarding Nancy more than Muffins? Serious question since I may have missed these (or just ignored them), and I don't know why you don't think Muffin could have these interactions regarding Muffin.

When muffin interacts with nancy he's just like "let me ask you all these questions then tell you why you're scummy for it after you answer" lol

[zMuffinMan]

ISNT THAT HOW SCUMHUNTING WORKS?

[Nancy Drew 39]

What changed your mind?

i came to the realization that a lot of the reasons i scumread sakura seem to boil down to playstyle/site meta that im not familiar with, as opposed to legitimate scumtells. her play improved considerably after my original catch-up post. their tone reads a lot more sincere and i think they're approaching the game in a way that scum almost definitely wouldn't. stuff like this:

Actually I have a gut feeling that purrcocet is scum, but i dont care enough right now.

or

Tbh, i do think muffin's scum, but i feel kinda nervous/anxious about lynching him coz i'd feel bad if he's actually town here and im wrong.

doesn't look scum-motivated to me at all. it is fence-sitting like i pointed out previously, but the difference is that sakura is being brutally honest about their indifference/apathy toward getting their reads lynched, and that makes a lot more sense coming from a town perspective than a scum one.

It was this post that convinced me more than anything else. It’s certainly a helluva a lot more believable than Muffin’s “explanations.”

This reads like a town progression to me.

[Brian Skies]

ISNT THAT HOW SCUMHUNTING WORKS?

No, you just make soft sideline comments about how someone is scummy but never vote them and take credit when they flip red anyway.

[Purrcocet]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MariaR

it was at this moment that i died inside.

ISNT THAT HOW SCUMHUNTING WORKS?

ur the goat

[Moment]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MariaR

it was at this moment that i died inside.

Sorry to do that to you. I think I've got a lot to say but I'm not really looking forward to writing it all. I guess the summary of it would be that I think matt's recent content has been town enough for me to want to look elsewhere, and having reflected on my own reading for townreading MariaR I think I was overthinking things.

[zMuffinMan]

ISAAC

WHO WOULD YOU THINK IS SCUM IF MATT WAS TOWN?