SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[the worst]

when did I lie? there's more stuff I need massclaim completed to talk about :/

sorry if my terminology was bad. flavour investigative*?

[Shoshin]

Explain your read progression on MWNN. I want to know exactly why he's town here, and how that read progressed from "within scumrange" to "beyond scumrange" and exactly when that happened and why.

[DeasVail]

ugh this is so tilting

I wanna talk to DV. after I do, @Krazy I'm giving you 24 hours to fullclaim

Haven’t been able to catch up on the last few pages yet but will try and be here properly later this afternoon.

[the worst]

just for a fun exercise MWNN would you mind making a few notes about how your reads compare to Srceen's?

his input to the game was a little inconclusive. I can normally sort him reasonably? well and was worried by how null he was here. but I also like to think we work together pretty well so you're high sorting priority for me rn

that's a pretty reasonable take.

fwiw I'm leaning town a tiny bit on MWNN but it's largely tonal. MWNN hates playing scum and it generally shines through more than it is here. But yeah in fairness it's not a huge stretch if the imagination to say that this game's within his scumrange.


pedit: same

I'm TRing MWNN

oh hold on Punreader is making sense. Pun can you determine what the fuck the n2 shenanigans were about and whether or not we can get any valuable information from it?

MWNN slot is town until further notice.

VOTE: Shoshin

It does worry me a little how the worst says hes not into this game, and doesnt know whats going on but has everyone's roles memorized.

the fact you're either not reading the game or low browing your play is getting slightly offensive. I'm p into this game. the role madness night actions shenaniganry is just not up my alley at all. the last 5 pages if this game get a great big fucking shrug from me.

also one of the major reasons MWNNslot is town

also one of the major reasons MWNNslot is town

What do you mean? Why town?

MWNN is someone I can read. I'm not inclined to out my tells on him too hard given they're current and extremely useful (a lot of people fuck up reading him ) but if it comes to a situation where we need to deal with that slot urgently I'm willing to elaborate a bit.

basically the way he called to strip away the bullshit and lynch people were actually scumreading is substantially more likely to come from town!him.

going by our meta and experience with reading each other I'd be really surprised if MWNN was scum here.
that slot's use of its power has been pretty solid from what I've seen, too.

I'm trying to put it in words and I kinda guess I could be wrong. I have a pretty good history of reading MWNN correctly via content and postcount but tbf he wasn't around here for as long as I woulda liked.

what's confusing you here Shoshin?

[Shoshin]

I'd like to know that the read isn't fake. You said "it's not a huge stretch if the imagination to say that this game's within his scumrange," but then later said "I'd be really surprised if MWNN is scum here." I'd like to know how you reconcile those two statements, if something changed between them, and what the specific towntell is that you didn't want to elaborate on earlier.

[Shoshin]

ugh this is so tilting

I wanna talk to DV. after I do, @Krazy I'm giving you 24 hours to fullclaim

Haven’t been able to catch up on the last few pages yet but will try and be here properly later this afternoon.

Please claim your role. Everyone has claimed but you.

[the worst]

1000 posts later?

I was ridiculously null on srceen and MWNN took a while to get into the swing of the game. As I said across my posts I feel like MWNN's content was more likely to come from town!MWNN than scum!MWNN. the only thing that gives me pause is how little time he was around for. like to slip past my scumdar I think he woulda needed to put a lot of effort into his posting so.....it's possible that he did and then rep'd out because he didn't want to keep it up anymore? but I feel like it's more probable that he's just town

[the worst]

ugh this is so tilting

I wanna talk to DV. after I do, @Krazy I'm giving you 24 hours to fullclaim

Haven’t been able to catch up on the last few pages yet but will try and be here properly later this afternoon.

I'll try not to fall back to sleep!

[Krazy]

The worst is scum, so this is fine.

I am a two-shot befriender, which is a stupid fucking name for a very swingy and hard to play role. I found it very stressful and did not like replacing in to this slot tbh.

It has three mechanics.
1 -- It combines your vote with someone else the next day
2 -- It denies BOTH of your next night actions
3 -- It makes all night actions the next night target both of you

When I shot DV, I did so on the hope that if he was scum I would A) prevent a badhammer in near-lylo, and b) prevent a nightkill on myself, since he would know he would be taking me down with him.

Chara apparently shot Maria, which he thought was null at the time I guess, which seems incredibly risky since he both blocked one of her joat shots and also risked generating a free scum double kill. But whatever, wasn't my choice.

I was VERY INSISTENT that the worst claim first, since if he claimed targeting me OR DV last night, that would have effectively CONFIRMED BOTH OF OUR ROLES. I NEVER mentioned the third consequence of my night action so there is no way he could have anticipated this and it would have been a very hard confirmation.

When I started thinking DV might be town, this is also why I was worried I gamethrew by targeting him when I did, which is why I also said I was commuting him, to hopefully avoid a free scum double kill.

In terms of FLAVOR, which I thought the worst was saying he cops, I also noticed that the image used did not match the avatar of the player it is based on, which I thought would be another way to hard confirm the worst if he had targeted me. (It's some pokemon shit, but the avatar of the player it's based on is that same pokemon shit but with glasses)

Summary: The worst's role is unconfirmable horseshit that dies today.

[Krazy]

Point 3 was mistyped.

It makes all night actions that target either one of you target both.

This role is so fucking weird I can't even explain it right.

[the worst]

so by your reasoning DV was definitely roleblocked last night and....if anyone targeted one of you they would've targeted both of you?

pedit: hm okay. just waiting on DV.

[Shoshin]

Alright, cool. Let's get DV's claim.

[Shoshin]

Krazy's role is actually very useful from a scum perspective.

[DeasVail]

Sure.

I’m a loved fruit vendor.

The cat thing is just a fruit vendor role. It doesn’t do anything else. I generally targeted people whose alignment I was very unsure of/people I felt I could interact with as a way of possibly using it to assist in reading how people reacted to the cat nuzzling. At first I thought Shepard might be town because of how they openly suspected me despite knowing that I sent them a cat (I would have expected scum to buddy with me more in that circumstance) but obviously this didn’t hold up for very long.

Targeted Shoshin N2, Krazy N3, the worst N4. Assumed that he’d received the cat when he posted a meow at daystart but it seems not?

The loved part is that it takes one extra vote to lynch me if it’s not LYLo/MYLO which I think is not compatible with a scum role??

[Krazy]

Exactly. If you had flavor copped me OR DV, you would have gotten confusing fucking results, which is why I wanted you to claim first so that you could be hard confirmed as having a real visiting role.

My role would be hilariously overpowered from a scum perspective.

[Shoshin]

I wouldn't say overpowered, no.

[Krazy]

Vote manipulation that is not affected by lylo/mylo, that can both deny vig kills and also bring down townies in event of a vig target?

I mean you can say that's not overpowered for scum, but if so I wouldn't want you on the design team.

[Shoshin]

Nah, loved is compatible with scum. I don't know why you'd say that.

[the worst]

Targeted Shoshin N2, Krazy N3, the worst N4. Assumed that he’d received the cat when he posted a meow at daystart but it seems not?

ding ding ding

VOTE: Krazy

[Krazy]

So you're saying you received a cat?

[the worst]

I received a cat.

[Shoshin]

Why didn't you claim that earlier?

[Krazy]

This is great.

Either: A) We lynch the worst today, and kill the killing scum.

Or B) We lynch me, and then lynch the worst, followed by DV, for game win.

Nice.

Today is now deadlocked between me and the worst, have fun guys.

[the worst]

meeeow

first post of the day.

[Shoshin]

DeasVail could not have done the scum nightkill because I roleblocked him last night.

the worst, why didn't you claim after this?