Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Creature]

if not, then are they town or scum to you in your opinion?

Theta's predecessor seemed town.

Gamma idk. Last I remember I was townreading (more of townleaning) him.

[Creature]

i want your read on them, then

it’s easy to say no

There it is.

[stungun0404]

ok, i can believe you for now because i had all 3 of you as very slight townleans that i am not really trusting, but just found zmuffinman’s (theta’s predecessor) question about titus, numbers, gamma, and human sequencer (your predecessor) strange in that it already included 2 scum in there.

[stungun0404]

and because i am not sold on any of you three being town

[Nero Cain]

Why would scum bus a third scum after two flips?

I'm not saying its impossible, just really bad.

agreed but if Toog was scum that was going down then I think scum would be pretty likely to claw their way onto that wagon. Of course thats not to say that scum are sitting on him right now or that I think he's scum. This is mostly why my gut reaction was that Stun was scum. I mean really, you bark and shout that Toog is scum only to vote not Toog? Just seems like a bit of a hedge.

@math

(or anyone really) Who were all of Titus' defenders? I know it was Shiro and Toog and Drixx. Who else?

shiro's read were so blatantly false. he confscummed me, and suggested fa as a partner. i think he was trying to survive, and thus threw things out that scum might want to keep alive.

and he townread titus--which we all know was bs.

I mean, she was just wrong as fuck. It happens. Doesn't meanshe was playing against wincon. Also, Titus has a cult following of players that think she's the second coming of MoS. She's a real-life cult leader.

apparently. Why should I have taken that as a joke and not as some limp-wristed pushback?

I think the ppl calling Toog scum are either lazy, argumentative town, or scum thats like overcompensating or some combination of. Toog is getting lynched today. Whether he's just town that is just like "oh hey, I'm expendable and I screwed up." or he's scum that's

Ate

ing and/o his team wants to bus him for the town cred.

Nah man. Pretty much everyone who has played with me regularly defaults to assuming I'm scum until they have reason to believe otherwise. Being called scummy is basically irrelevant to me. I just thought I'd crack a joke to welcome you to the game and you took it serious.

idk, like, this is how it feels from my POV. I'm light scum reading you and then you kind of discredit me by saying that I'm awesomely bad at reading you and then I put in the work that sort of disproves this and then you cry joke. So it just looks like kinda a backtrack to me. Also...

MAFIA

IZ

SRS

BUSINESS

[stungun0404]

@nero cain, early in this day phase

Toogeloo was the hardest defender of titus that still remains

I am fine with leading a wagon there

VOTE: Toogeloo

Because i also came to the conclusion last day phase that at least one of toog or shiro was scum.

I'm going to completely reevaluate everything tomorrow though to be certain

first to vote toog

i’ll unvote, though i was happy to be first on this wagon, especially if it is scum

VOTE: unvote

unvoted because he was L-2, and we agreed (two of my townreads — sakura and mathblade — and i) to let the day phase extend longer

[Nero Cain]

IDK what math is doing right now tbh. his reads seem very poor and I don't think his wolf team guess contains wolves.

I like you and I think you are correct.

@nero cain, early in this day phase

Toogeloo was the hardest defender of titus that still remains

I am fine with leading a wagon there

VOTE: Toogeloo

Because i also came to the conclusion last day phase that at least one of toog or shiro was scum.

I'm going to completely reevaluate everything tomorrow though to be certain

first to vote toog

i’ll unvote, though i was happy to be first on this wagon, especially if it is scum

VOTE: unvote

unvoted because he was L-2, and we agreed (two of my townreads — sakura and mathblade — and i) to let the day phase extend longer

ok sure but the whole trying to start a counterwagon to Toog with >week doesn't make any sense to me.

Also, why did you start scumreading me when I called you scummy?

[The Dream Weaver]

Votecount 4.5

Leader: MathBlade

Toogeloo (5):

the worst, Toranaga, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Toogeloo

the worst (2):

Sando, stungun0404

Nancy Drew 39 (1):

Nosferatu

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Nero Cain(0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Stungun0404 (0):

Theta Alpine(0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (9):

Creature, Drixx, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39, Nero Cain, Sakura Hana, Theta Alpine

With

17

players, it takes

9

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-11 21:00:00).

Nancy Drew is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-08-08 00:00:00).
Katsuki has requested replacement.

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Force Field Generation:

Target another player. That player is protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Freezing:

Target another player. That player cannot use any abilities until the next Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's action(s) will be redirected to target you instead of their original target(s) until the next Night Phase.

*Super Strength:

Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

*May be used to modify any Superpowers a player may have. Does not count against the number of Superpowers a player may use each Night Phase.

[The Dream Weaver]

Theta Alpine has been prodded.

[stungun0404]

@nero cain: all day phases are a weeklong in this game, lol. so anytime that i start a counterwagon, it will be with less than a week left in the day phase.

i was already scumreading/leaning on your slot last day phase. this is nothing new. in fact, i voted katsuki last day phase in between 2 of my titus votes. my voting pattern was titus-katsuki-titus-creature-titus last day phase.

Spoiler: notes

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD, Sando possible bus

Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald



zMuffinMan (4): Sando, the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Shiro (2): Sakura Hana, hebichan

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla


Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald
zMuffinMan (3): the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (3): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade

Myloninja13 (5): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (9): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Creature

Sando (5): Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

zMuffinMan (3): BBmolla, MathBlade, Drixx


Looking at the Sando wagon, it is nearly universally town. Zmuffin in it's iterations is largely unknown. Drixx is a lightning rod with all sorts of players voting him. Reads more like people wouldn't mind lynching him than players viewing him as scum.

VOTE: Sando

Sakura and zmuffin are likely town due to their early votes on Numbers. Don't vote them until lylo plus 2 unless they get toxic. Yet zmuffin recurrs as a wagon. It's almost like town lets scum wagon the smart people.

My focus today would be on Sando, the worst, bb slit and Math. Lynching a lurker over Sando gives more red flags for Sando.

Don't lynch Sakura, zmuffin

Toranga Nancy Creature should have scum if Sando is scum

VOTE: Katsuki, possibility he’s scum and i want to see where this vote leads.

i still do not support a sando lynch.

and i just read the iso from titus and i missed that she hard-defended two players as town i hadn’t initially seen from her vca —> zmuffinman and sakura hana. i like these players to be town myself, and the pool of players she gave pr’s too seems conceivable from a town perspective.

i think very well titus could still be scum here, but the lack of anything from Katsuki is bothering me, especially ever since i found 2 similar posts to what she’s made in a past scum game.

[Nosferatu]

damn nero is in this game now?

[stungun0404]

UNVOTE: the worst

[Toogeloo]

Aw... and I was just about to join you on that wagon for the lulz.

[Toogeloo]

@Math...
Will my town flip make you re-evaluate your scum reads, or are they all independent of each other?

[stungun0404]

aw, you must be the bad news bear this game :-/

i’m not against a tw counterwagon; it sure is better for you to vote ducky than yourself

[Toogeloo]

And who is UFO anyways?

[Nero Cain]

damn nero is in this game now?

fuck off and die.

@nero cain: all day phases are a weeklong in this game, lol. so anytime that i start a counterwagon, it will be with less than a week left in the day phase.

i was already scumreading/leaning on your slot last day phase. this is nothing new. in fact, i voted katsuki last day phase in between 2 of my titus votes. my voting pattern was titus-katsuki-titus-creature-titus last day phase.

Well ok. I just didn't really get a sense that you were suspicious of my slot until I called you scum. How do you feel about me now?

[Toogeloo]

it sure is better for you to vote ducky than yourself

you make a convincing argument, but incentive might be required.

[Nero Cain]

I don't understand the need for a Toog counter at all? It does nothing but divide the town. Maybe you are thinking that Toog is scum and a nice juicy, not Toog wagon will get his buddies to vote there?

[stungun0404]

damn nero is in this game now?

fuck off and die.

@nero cain: all day phases are a weeklong in this game, lol. so anytime that i start a counterwagon, it will be with less than a week left in the day phase.

i was already scumreading/leaning on your slot last day phase. this is nothing new. in fact, i voted katsuki last day phase in between 2 of my titus votes. my voting pattern was titus-katsuki-titus-creature-titus last day phase.

Well ok. I just didn't really get a sense that you were suspicious of my slot until I called you scum. How do you feel about me now?

with your replace-in, slightly better, but your slot is definitely within my poe pool of 9 players. i would bet the game that there are all 3 scum in that poe pool of 9 players. that means i’d bet the game on 7 players outside of myself being town. i sure could use a couple more solids at this point, so if you pass my town measurement test, than maybe you can perhaps make it a bit easier.

i could still see your slot being scum, but my suspicion has weakened a little with a titus scum flip. your slot faked a guilty on titus i think on d2, and was first on her lynchwagon d3 (but just voted her and did not vote anyone else), with me being second—but your slot did not say a peep really other than voting titus last day phase.

[Nosferatu]

fuck off and die.

LOL but why tho

[stungun0404]

it sure is better for you to vote ducky than yourself

you make a convincing argument, but incentive might be required.

if, by chance, you are town that’s all the incentive you should need

look, i’m not perfect, and i am not 100 percent on you being scum, but overall you still are a serious scumlean for me. what’s to say a counterwagon would not help if you are town? voting yourself comes off as a confession that you are scum to me.

I don't understand the need for a Toog counter at all? It does nothing but divide the town. Maybe you are thinking that Toog is scum and a nice juicy, not Toog wagon will get his buddies to vote there?

toog is very likely scum, however i do want to see what a serious counterwagon would do so we can shake up the game a little bit, because i am not 100 percent. there were clear counterwagons last day phase to titus, and it is a little unsettling that there has been no clear counterwagon to toogeloo so far this day phase. would mean scum is just accepting his lynch, i think, or they are demotivated to push anywhere else.

[Nero Cain]

fuck off and die.

LOL but why tho

Don't you lurk and do shit all as town?

[Sando]

fuck off and die.

LOL but why tho

Don't you lurk and do shit all as town?

No he fakeclaims a guilty

[Toogeloo]

would mean scum is just accepting his lynch, i think, or they are demotivated to push anywhere else.

Uh, or they are taking the freebie town.

The take away from this is never underestimate how demotivated a replacement can be to read a fast moving game. I tend to not replace out just because I don't ever like pushing that agenda on another player. PROTIP: Days do not need to be 100 pages long in order to feel like you accomplished something.