Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Sando]

no nd, 8-8 split last day phase means sakura was not necessarily supposed to beat math

That’s probably because not all the promised Sakura voters voted. I think splitting the votes just makes it easier for scum to mess with the voting, since Sakura arms herself with SS bp tonight.

So put the most conscientious townies we can find on the Sakura vote-list.

Not accounting for Sakura dying is just stupid of us. We only need ~9 voters to basically guarantee that Sakura as presumptive leader can't be fucked with, we should use the rest of our votes to protect ourselves from death, not to put more eggs in the basket.

[Theta Alpine]

we get a lot of information on what happened with the buffer though
it would require 4 people supposed to be on sakura to be voting the contingency in order to make it a tie
and if they vote anyone other then the contingency it takes that many more misvotes to have any chance of swaying the leader pick

[Nero Cain]

nope, i wrote she by accident. whoops.

[Nero Cain]

I guess my paranoia is that Nancy is scum and wants Hana as sole leader b/c they DO have someway to kill her or something.

No, I want Sakura to be the leader. I’m not entirely confident in anyone else but please find some tinfoil reasons to scumread me for that.

buddy her moar.

[stungun0404]

Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)

I feel like I need to quote this every page now >.<

Can i squeeze this in before thread lock?

vote assortment last day phase; please note that i started these suggestions although sakura made one switch from my initial proposal

sakura (9): math, nancy, nos ( primary lynchpool),creature (primary lynchpool), hebichan (primary lynchpool), the worst (primary lynchpool),toogeloo (primary lynchpool), kokichi (primary lynchpool), toranaga

math (9): sakura, gamma (primary lynchpool), fa, stungun, sando, drixx (primary lynchpool?), nero cain’s slot (primary lynchpool), shiro, theta alpine’s slot (primary lynchpool?)

you tell me which pool of voters is sketchier: 6 vs. 4 primary lynchpool on sakura likely means scum on sakura’s vote wagon

between nosferatu, creature, hebichan, the worst, toogeloo and kokichi

i think it’s toog, creature, tw, or kokichi....

[Nancy Drew 39]

I guess my paranoia is that Nancy is scum and wants Hana as sole leader b/c they DO have someway to kill her or something.

No, I want Sakura to be the leader. I’m not entirely confident in anyone else but please find some tinfoil reasons to scumread me for that.

buddy her moar.

Do you even understand what that means?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so for easier understanding for you Nero, here's how it works.

Whoever living player at the end of the night who receives the most votes becomes leader.
If there's a tie, then there's a bunch of tiebreaker rules in the setup section, which are pretty easy to track around.

So let's assume the scenario of 10v6 which is the safest scenario where scum cant reach 10 too and hope for a tiebreak.
If i die and all 3 remaining scum are on the 6, they can pile 3 votes on their preferred leader (or 2 votes in a scum leader) and could win a tiebreak.
If all 3 remaining scum are on my wagon, then they can shift the wagon towards the 6 vote player (10-3 = 7, 6+3 = 9).

It mostly depends if u have a backup that you can trust.

Now as i said already, the only way i die tonight is if Math doesnt give me power, or scum gets power tonight. Which also gives information to look into tonight's team for scum (math included).

As for a difference in reads... If you think Math is townreading a scum that im scumreading i think Drixx would be the closest to that. As I have stated yesterday i was literally only TRing Drixx because of Cerb who is supposedly very familiar with Drixx, said Drixx was 99% town.

[Theta Alpine]

oh i have something to add then
my slot was unable to submit a vote last night due to being replaced

[Sando]

it would require 4 people supposed to be on sakura to be voting the contingency in order to make it a tie

Yep, and assuming we mislynch today we've still only got 3 scum alive. Hence why Toor's "lol not going along with the plan" is so anti-town.

Build a 4 person buffer between Sakura and person A, scum can't pick person A over Sakura without giving us huge information (minimum 2 were in the vote-list).

Build a 4 person block on Person A and scum can't kill Sakura and vote a third person in without giving us the same huge information.

We would need a 6+ vote buffer to absolutely guarantee it and we don't have that many, but we can certainly make it hugely risky for scum to mess with it.

[the worst]

yeah from the POV of like an ~holistic solve~ I think we should be working under the assumption drixx is town

[Sando]

oh i have something to add then
my slot was unable to submit a vote last night due to being replaced

So Math won with a max of 8 votes?

Interesting, anyone else on Math want to fess up on not voting?

Anyone on Sak want to pre-empt this with a fess-up to not voting?

[Nero Cain]

I've been thinking on that. It makes a fuck ton of sense for a Drixxscum to kill Cerb who was misreading him as town. Of course, it's just WIFOM but yeah....

[MathBlade]

Ok so for easier understanding for you Nero, here's how it works.

Whoever living player at the end of the night who receives the most votes becomes leader.
If there's a tie, then there's a bunch of tiebreaker rules in the setup section, which are pretty easy to track around.

So let's assume the scenario of 10v6 which is the safest scenario where scum cant reach 10 too and hope for a tiebreak.
If i die and all 3 remaining scum are on the 6, they can pile 3 votes on their preferred leader (or 2 votes in a scum leader) and could win a tiebreak.
If all 3 remaining scum are on my wagon, then they can shift the wagon towards the 6 vote player (10-3 = 7, 6+3 = 9).

It mostly depends if u have a backup that you can trust.

Now as i said already, the only way i die tonight is if Math doesnt give me power, or scum gets power tonight. Which also gives information to look into tonight's team for scum (math included).

As for a difference in reads... If you think Math is townreading a scum that im scumreading i think Drixx would be the closest to that. As I have stated yesterday i was literally only TRing Drixx because of Cerb who is supposedly very familiar with Drixx, said Drixx was 99% town.

Please just this.

I feel like people are trying to compete for who can Tinfoil mechanic the most.

Just Sakura and Drixx and a smaller amount on Drixx done

[Theta Alpine]

why would you do that though
if sakura dies and the contingency does not become leader in my plan
then at least two of the people who were supposed to vote the contingency are scum

[MathBlade]

why would you do that though
if sakura dies and the contingency does not become leader in my plan
then at least two of the people who were supposed to vote the contingency are scum

That =?

[Theta Alpine]

and then oh look 2+ scum in a group of 3 or 4

[Nero Cain]

yeah from the POV of like an ~holistic solve~ I think we should be working under the assumption drixx is town

y is Drixx so town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah from the POV of like an ~holistic solve~ I think we should be working under the assumption drixx is town

Why?

[Sando]

why would you do that though
if sakura dies and the contingency does not become leader in my plan
then at least two of the people who were supposed to vote the contingency are scum

Are you talking to me? Because I think we're in violent agreement here.

[Theta Alpine]

maybe
not actually sure anymore

[stungun0404]

yeah from the POV of like an ~holistic solve~ I think we should be working under the assumption drixx is town

Why?

would it make you feel comfortable if we chose 10 relatively townread players and placed them on sakura’s voting wagon,

and the other 6 potential lynch options on either drixx or i —> except sakura ofc

and split it that way for compromise? that would make it hard for scum to fuck with

[the worst]

GOOd fucking god I can't wait to die

Anyone killed Cerb n1. not killing cerb n1 would be tantamount to scum gametheowing. don't gimme that "cerb nka = drixx scum" shit you all should know not to follow such a confbiasy statement

Cerb who has a better history of reading Drixx than anyone else on the player list hard townread him. a lot of us are townreading him. a few of us are scumreading him for pretty basic reasons. he has a tilting playstyle.

occam's razor says he's town here, reevaluate lategame if you need to whatever but we still have too many people alive to be focused on such a shitty read

[Theta Alpine]

i think the only things left to decide are who the contingency is
which 3 will definitely vote the contingency
and who will vote the contingency if toog flips town

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah from the POV of like an ~holistic solve~ I think we should be working under the assumption drixx is town

Why?

would it make you feel comfortable if we chose 10 relatively townread players and placed them on sakura’s voting wagon,

and the other 6 potential lynch options on either drixx or i —> except sakura ofc

and split it that way for compromise? that would make it hard for scum to fuck with

Sure, my main convern is Sakura voters not voting, so the most trusted and reliable of players should be on her list, so I guess we are in sync then.

[stungun0404]

contingency

why 3? there is a very very very slim chance that the 3 are all scum together, or someone in there is scum

unless we make them very strong townreads, like sakura, mathblade, and frozen angel for example