Omg why are you rappingIn post 17, Mathdino wrote:Political revolutions are lies
I'm gonna slander Bernie Sanders since he'd be a shit commander
All he does is pander, thank god for gerrymanders
I'll lynch this chimp with candor til he becomes a bystander
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I swear this might just be as good as Mutton Chop MagicIn post 113, Mathdino wrote:
It's hard to act towny when Math's rapping like a clown, heIn post 110, Nauci wrote:My gut read on Math is that he hasn't been as towny as he could be thus far.
Doesn't have a bounty on his head so he's not frowny
Quite yet. But I bet that my towncred will set in
Don't be frettin I ain't sweatin til this game gets upsettin
So call me Tony cuz there's a Stark difference between scummy-me and townie
Im just tryna survive to the end of the film like Robert Downey...
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Kinda reading skitter as town btw<Embrace The Void>
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LOL plsIn post 152, Keyser Söze wrote:Yep, Gamma has to Hulk out (with only one game-solving related post so far).
I'm honestly kinda wanting to kick back this game ngl, maybe I'll get solvy later but for now I just wanna smell the roses. It's my first full game back ya know.
Keyser does kinda strike me as town though, based on what he's taking note of<Embrace The Void>
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Liking stun gun for town, questions feel like they’re deeply insightful
Also hope you have fun brass, I loved Incredibles 2.
PEdit: that’s a really interesting postulation stungun. I think you may be into something.<Embrace The Void>
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I think I know who you are already.In post 186, Bernie Sanders wrote:
you too gamma?In post 165, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm honestly kinda wanting to kick back this game ngl, maybe I'll get solvy later but for now I just wanna smell the roses. It's my first full game back ya know.
Well I was thinking of maybe just jumping on you old times sakes but I guess you can take it easy for now<Embrace The Void>
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Go into what makes you paranoid? IdkIn post 223, Invisibility wrote:
i dont see howIn post 173, Bernie Sanders wrote:
can you go into thisIn post 168, Invisibility wrote:wait actually im feeling kinda paranoid and i dont think im ready to townread shosh
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Didn’t we play in Mafia Month? Anyway I’m doing wellIn post 229, the worst wrote:Sup Gamma, nice to finally play with you. how've you been?<Embrace The Void>
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I think this is not the time to worry about possible v probableIn post 275, Shoshin wrote:
Talking about Key? I get why thinking about the game in terms of what's possible instead of what's probable feels scummy, but coupled with Key's genuinely inquisitive tone it actually feels pretty town to me. I also thought he was genuinely confused by my early play in a way that scum wouldn't openly admit, and I also get the sense that Key was genuinely excited about getting into the scumhunting part of the game so quickly.In post 274, the worst wrote:initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.
That comes when things are developed and you’re trying to sort the setup and such
Early day one no one’s done much of anything where possible v probable means much<Embrace The Void>
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I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?In post 301, skitter30 wrote:
This is what I'm liking about stungunIn post 285, skitter30 wrote:The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak<Embrace The Void>
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Distant and nice is kinda the goal right now? I want to enjoy this as much as possible, getting into a big stink kinda defeats that goal. I’ll push what I think needs pushing but for now I’m kicking back.In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:Gamma bro, you’ve got to show me you’re trying to sort the playerlist
You’re not in the top half of my reads at the moment. You’ve been too nice and too distant so far<Embrace The Void>
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Ah I actually have a tendency to drop references to past games myself. I think I get this now.In post 322, skitter30 wrote:
a) 'attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions' - it was page1 RVS and discussing it pretty much got the game out of RVS? Imo that's basically how we leave RVS, by finding something to talk about. I guess I don't particularly object to the 'biting' notion you have, but I disagree that it was scum-motivated.In post 308, Keyser Söze wrote:My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions instead of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’
Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.
Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one
b) 'instead of having a more measured approach / asking yourself 'is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes''. That's the point; I don't think this was a rational sense if she understood that post wasn't serious, as she claims she does. I pointed out that she seemed to be applying a level of unreasonable scrutiny to what was obviously a joke RVS post to me, so I was pointing out that it wasn't a serious post in case she read it seriously when it wasn't meant to be read that way. She says she understood that it wasn't serious but that it was 'pro-scum' for reasons she didn't elaborate upon when I asked her to.
I don't understand how that was a rational stance to have to that post if she understood it wasn't serious; and I pointed out it wasn't serious in case she didn't understand that.
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I'm aware; it's not like I called him a super strong townread or anything. It's possible that it could be scripting but he keeps on referencing his thought process in his towngame and how it relates to this game and it's very *thorough* and *consistent* and that's basically how I play (by comparing a given scenario to a similar past scenario and trying to figure out if things from the past are applicable/useful here) so it's a thought process that makes sense to me.In post 319, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?In post 301, skitter30 wrote:
This is what I'm liking about stungunIn post 285, skitter30 wrote:The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak<Embrace The Void>
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LolplsIn post 330, skitter30 wrote:A50?
While it sounded like him at first a couple of things he said struck me as too different<Embrace The Void>
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Mathdino actually seems alright for nowIn post 339, Bernie Sanders wrote:Gamma I'll offer you a position as my honorary second vote on math if you want
but really what do you think? I know you read both it and math posts if you've read skitters walls
And what is this it you refer to?<Embrace The Void>
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memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29966In post 349, Bernie Sanders wrote:the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying<Embrace The Void>
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Lol I know exactly which Hamilton line this is referencingIn post 356, Mathdino wrote:
Not every game, but I do want the freedomIn post 349, Bernie Sanders wrote:the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying
To play the same when I don't want to lead 'em<Embrace The Void>
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BOONSKIIES?In post 391, Bernie Sanders wrote:Mmm @gamma or otherwise you can me I guess as it is kind of getting distracting
the irony is people will see my classic lovely signature note on meta I reinstated when the normal filled<Embrace The Void>
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I kinda question the motive of this type of post: it reads like trying to subtly make someone drop the read they're being told to set asideIn post 402, Bernie Sanders wrote:Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?<Embrace The Void>
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Yes to town, quite a bit for scum, based on my experience playing with/modding for herIn post 434, Keyser Söze wrote:momrangel really needs to start talking about other players, not just Invisibility
Would you say she is a competent town/scum player?<Embrace The Void>
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In post 458, the worst wrote:Oh yeah I read Shoshin as yikes level lynchbait and your push was scummy
So what I'm getting out of this is:In post 459, the worst wrote:FTR you're more likely town than Shoshin atm I'm just not happy about it
Shoshin reads as lynchbait
Keyser pushing Shoshin is bad
Keyser still reads town otherwise
Am I correct?<Embrace The Void>
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In post 503, Irrelephant11 wrote:alright cool
Heytownifyou'rereadytolosesheepmeandshoshin
we're scumbuddies and are trying to mislead you<Embrace The Void>
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lol, just wanted to get a rise out of you, but it does kinda feel that way, still thinking you're town rn thoIn post 526, Irrelephant11 wrote:heyyyy rude can you do that<Embrace The Void>
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What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.In post 543, Keyser Söze wrote:
Why is Gamma down there?In post 513, Momrangal wrote:Irrelephant11
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Yes I am excitedIn post 549, Momrangal wrote:
GutIn post 543, Keyser Söze wrote:Why is Gamma down there?
Associatives
Safe play
And some other things. Like... IDK, he's not playing outside his realm of meta but like, I can easily see him as a buddy with skitter, and possibly duck.
He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical
But I'm not being super-hyper this game. Get the drift?<Embrace The Void>
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My logic is the exact same as yours. Yeah nsg flaking out is ehhh but given the ubiquitous drop-out I think it's passable, while the gemini replace is fishy for the reasons you stated.In post 575, stungun0404 wrote:
hadn’t gotten to the bottom of the player list yet. only keyser and you have gone unaddressed.In post 572, Gamma Emerald wrote:stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.
anyways,
@keyser, since I’m having trouble with this myself, I’d like you to build opposing cases for a town—bernie sanders and a scum—bernie sanders and see which alignment adds up more to you. can you help me out with this? i’m gonna look into him when i have the chance myself.
hmm... @gamma, which of the replace-outs do you feel is more likely to flip town?
my answer: this is a double-edged sword, as neither slot has convinced me of anything even remotely pro-town, but probably nsg if i had to guess right now because of skitter’s abovementioned statement of her /out-ing for other games as well, which i hadn’t seen. seems plausible for a town case given the circumstancial evidence supporting it, and gemini’s replace out seems weird after we were looking forward to playing in the same faction in this game, and i am town, so it’s a possibility she didn’t like not being on a scum team without me on it as well, which we would have both enjoyed.<Embrace The Void>
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OH NOW I GET ITIn post 590, skitter30 wrote:i finally put together something i remember you saying on the discord, and then checked rask's account and saw that the references regarding your sig and gamma added up.
So it took me being wrong to get the puzzle solved, nice<Embrace The Void>
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Talking about Ranmaru's play right?In post 596, Mathdino wrote:
Quick turns are a towntell, don't get all confusedIn post 592, Bernie Sanders wrote:mmm irrelephants quick turn off keysor is odd because it seemed like a vote he was good with so even if stungun protested to go from it to skitter doesnt feel right
Read TM White Flag, you might be amused<Embrace The Void>
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That was me who thought he was BoonIn post 601, Mathdino wrote:
What, did you think he reminds you of BoonIn post 597, the worst wrote:also post reveal Bernie Sanders remains probably my strongest townread I think
Where you're blind to goon links cuz hes like, some buffoon
Explain why you're suddenly willing to set a
Townread so lovingly with no hot meta
tw thought (correctly) BS is rask<Embrace The Void>
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Actually the reads you bolded seem very sensible thanks to two games very close in number that momrangal was involved in.In post 617, Bernie Sanders wrote:
not much a fan of the bolded here (stances that are not really stances)In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Stun-town
Keys???town
Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Gamma??? Worth looking into
Elephant???town
Nanci???
Sho???
Skit???
DUCCKKKKYYYYYY!!!!if scum, never playing with Gemini again
NSG??
Bernie???town
Mentally I'm on page 9, but I don't know invisibilitys meta. I've never played and I pulled something I thought was scummy and rolled with it. I know you touched on it once but like, even if it is his meta whats stopping him from being scum here? If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.
also sitting on a read people are hard saying is stylistic should eventually spur something as well rather than sitting too long which
A) do check it, if you disagree with conclusions you can argue that point
B) sort people saying this thing and try to ascertain their level of judgment: keysor IIRC had this approach
C) temporarily prioritize
though maybe strike that as she did seem to do b c after caught up fully<Embrace The Void>
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Don't recall that, please point it out?In post 618, Bernie Sanders wrote:
HMM didnt we go through this in clownspiracyIn post 519, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I kinda question the motive of this type of post: it reads like trying to subtly make someone drop the read they're being told to set asideIn post 402, Bernie Sanders wrote:Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?<Embrace The Void>
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I would've noted that there is a rhyme just not at the ends of the linesIn post 622, Mathdino wrote:Brass you're an ass, go take a poem class
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Huh. Never expected that I would ever get BoP'd in my career after coming across an evaluation of my play in a scum PT a little bit backIn post 629, Keyser Söze wrote:
You have disappointed me in the following areas:In post 570, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.In post 543, Keyser Söze wrote:
Why is Gamma down there?In post 513, Momrangal wrote:Irrelephant11
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Gamma Emerald
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- attitude
- pro-active sorting contribution thus far
- laid back nonchalance to a challenging game
- timing of choosing when to offer an opinion
None of these points I would label in my personal ‘bottom scum read’ category.
But I can empathisize with mom’s later explanation of why SHE has you down there.
I also know it is within your ability to redeem yourself however, as you are a quality player. Hence my frustration.
I might have to make an alt for my "for fun" games from now on
but yeah I guess I'll cut the bullshit and play serious from this point on since LITERALLY EVERYONE expects that from me<Embrace The Void>
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Slip of some sort? idkIn post 709, Nauci wrote:It's referring to your claim that your teammates would be helping you polish, which would imply day chat<Embrace The Void>
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First point: I was inquiring about what Irrelephant said, not youIn post 723, Nauci wrote:I seem to recall pointing out that I ask about day chat all the time regardless of alignment due to a thing that happened in one of my newbie games
I have many opinions of Irrelephant11 but I will wait for your write ups on other players (as in anyone except you, but including the thoughts about me) to give you a chance to change my mind first
Second point: is this at me, and wtf does it mean?<Embrace The Void>
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I mean I'd vote the worst but he's already got a big wagon rightIn post 735, Bernie Sanders wrote:
I mean you could sheepIn post 722, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have multiple townreads but no scumreads
gonna re-read the people with wagons on em, but later cos I'm gonna watch anime for a bit<Embrace The Void>
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bruhIn post 771, Keyser Söze wrote:
Brother, what did you want us to Sheep you and Shoshin with?In post 503, Irrelephant11 wrote:alright cool
Heytownifyou'rereadytowinsheepmeandshoshin
we're buddies and we figured it out
Only Nauci=scum?
What had you ‘figured out’ so confidently?
I might have actually had something when I did my meme<Embrace The Void>
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Because he posts a lot in GIM, one of the few topics I pretty much always followIn post 779, Shoshin wrote:
Why?In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am kinda excited to play with invisibility fwiw<Embrace The Void>
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Uh it seems fake because we're not seeing any proof?In post 819, the worst wrote:don't give me that phoney AtE crap. if you think it's fake tell me why you think it's fake. the fact you're trying to call me out on a personality thing when you don't know me is g r o s s
but also most of the player list just feels totally resigned with my lunch. like if I was revealed as IC where would people even go?<Embrace The Void>
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okay thenIn post 828, stungun0404 wrote:been deliberating over this for some time, but@mod: replace me. Also, can I choose to proxy to Keyser until I am replaced?
I really like the flavor of this game, so I’m ashamed I have to do this. If this was my only game, I’d be able to keep up with it, but it’s not. I have another account that I am also playing games on, and i got much going on irl. finding it extremely difficult and as sacrificing too much of my time to keep up with this thread and balance it with other games i’m in rn, but i will make a parting statement. I feel like there’s way too much thread spamming going on, whoever is town should really consider posting less content because there’s way too much unnecessary content being posted in the thread, and it can’t all be from scum. Further, the content is distracting from catching scum.
DEAR WHOEVER REPLACES ME: ONE MISSION; LOOK INTO WHO DIDN’T RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
UNVOTE: Irrelephant
PS(parting statement): KEYSER IS TOWN NO MATTER WHAT; my strongest TR has never EVER been wrong regardless of my own alignment. It has resulted in me replacing into a game on N1 and correctly neighbouring a town player AFTER A D1 scum lynch, and taking full advantage of it to eventually win a game for town in LYLO, so you can trust this read with your life. There’s a definite chance shoshin is scum, but regarding keyser DON’T FALL FOR THE SHIT OTHERS ARE FEEDING YOU RE: HIS READ. SOMEBODY IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO PLANT SEEDS OF DOUBT HIM, AND IT’S WORKING TOO!
/legacy post
I guess there's no reason to lie about the strength of his reads?<Embrace The Void>
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I haven't voted onceIn post 879, Irrelephant11 wrote:A sidenote while I write about Keyser - these are the three largest wagons so far:
Momrangal(4) ~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)
the worst(4) ~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(63), Bernie Sanders(81), Nauci(26)
Nauci(4) ~ Shoshin(112), Irrelephant11(62), Momrangal(36), the worst(99)
the worst probably is actually scum
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^while these three have avoided being on any large wagons
Also if nauci is town this just sucks I thought my play showed my town motivations
If she's scum that makes it easier to reconcile how upset I am about it with how well I thought I'd been playing
...I see now why I am stuck on a nauci scumread let me also start over on her<Embrace The Void>
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I mean I have been saying what I've felt needed to be saidIn post 899, Keyser Söze wrote:Gamma, I really need to hear your thoughts now given the game state.
but I can definitely go back and give commentary on what I may have missed the first time around
I can see we've got a few replacements from the preview window tho so that's good
one thing I can say is relevant is the idea that the replace outs were all scum. I feel like given invisibility's replace it could be that he just felt hopeless with his scumteam inactive/being replaced.<Embrace The Void>
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the rule is you replace based on timing of replace out fyiIn post 906, brassherald wrote:Gustavo replaces stungun0404. Please welcome him.
The slot which he got was determined by rolling dice, and should not be considered AI for any of the slots being replaced at this time.
Noted for the future, I was unaware of that rule.Last edited by brassherald on Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:03 am, edited 1 time in total.<Embrace The Void>
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idk I've never played with you so I wouldn't knowIn post 921, Gustavo wrote:Sup everyone. Bare with me. I hope I can catch up soon. My gut would be to just vote nauci and create some fireworks but I’m learning people don’t like fireworks so I’ll try a different approach.<Embrace The Void>
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I can get that idea but want to take a look myself before I make a full conclusionIn post 923, the worst wrote:
so what impressed me about Nauci's playstyle when I was scum vs. her was how transparently conspicuously town she was. she was constantly critical, open minded and worked well with others townies.In post 920, Keyser Söze wrote:I don't want a 1500 page essay. Simply two or three sentences to say why Nauci isn't town Nauci in your opinion, then I leave you.
she feels less attached and engaged here and I cannot shake the feeling that her posting is pushing an agenda and specific preconceived stances rather than actively forming opinions fluidly as she goes.
if that makes sense??<Embrace The Void>
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Yeah that's not AI, Zyf did it to me in my first game here (I miss him btw)In post 933, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m gonna take a break from this game for the night
Nauci finding scum motivation for every little thing I do is exhausting, regardless of her alignment
See you tomorrow
@gustavo I'm saying Idk how I'd respond to your playstyle given I haven't had a chance to<Embrace The Void>
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HelloIn post 942, brassherald wrote:Not_Mafia replaces Invisibility. Again, I rolled a dice to determine who replaces whom. It has been totally random that the first to request replacement is also the last to be replaced.
Please welcome Not_Mafia
Let's see if one of {me, Mathdino} can't figure out your alignment<Embrace The Void>
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fucking how do you read NMIn post 947, Shoshin wrote:Not_Mafia! Excellent. Easiest guy to read in the game. Such a simple mind. In a good way.<Embrace The Void>
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I'm sorry whatIn post 950, Shoshin wrote:
The trick is to not overthink it. Is he doing pro-town things? He's town. Is he doing pro-scum things? He's scum.In post 949, skitter30 wrote:really? i iwish i had this skill
like the whole thing with NM is he's anti-town as town
have you seen him quickhammer, that's like one of his deals<Embrace The Void>
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