Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Political revolutions are lies

I'm gonna slander Bernie Sanders since he'd be a shit commander
All he does is pander, thank god for gerrymanders
I'll lynch this chimp with candor til he becomes a bystander

Omg why are you rapping

[Gamma Emerald]

So like is this a post restriction on the Dino or is he just trollling us

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s kinda sorting? If you’re post restricted there has to be a flavor reason
PEdit what PR

[Gamma Emerald]

I am kinda excited to play with invisibility fwiw

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut read on Math is that he hasn't been as towny as he could be thus far.

It's hard to act towny when Math's rapping like a clown, he
Doesn't have a bounty on his head so he's not frowny
Quite yet. But I bet that my towncred will set in
Don't be frettin I ain't sweatin til this game gets upsettin
So call me Tony cuz there's a Stark difference between scummy-me and townie
Im just tryna survive to the end of the film like Robert Downey...
Junior

I swear this might just be as good as Mutton Chop Magic
Kinda reading skitter as town btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep, Gamma has to Hulk out (with only one game-solving related post so far).

LOL pls
I'm honestly kinda wanting to kick back this game ngl, maybe I'll get solvy later but for now I just wanna smell the roses. It's my first full game back ya know.
Keyser does kinda strike me as town though, based on what he's taking note of

[Gamma Emerald]

Liking stun gun for town, questions feel like they’re deeply insightful
Also hope you have fun brass, I loved Incredibles 2.
PEdit: that’s a really interesting postulation stungun. I think you may be into something.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm honestly kinda wanting to kick back this game ngl, maybe I'll get solvy later but for now I just wanna smell the roses. It's my first full game back ya know.

you too gamma?
Well I was thinking of maybe just jumping on you old times sakes but I guess you can take it easy for now

I think I know who you are already.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shoshin what are you asking these questions for? They seem a little scatter-shotted.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see the direction you’re heading with hem.

[Gamma Emerald]

wait actually im feeling kinda paranoid and i dont think im ready to townread shosh

can you go into this

i dont see how

also i agree that stungun is probably town

Go into what makes you paranoid? Idk

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi the worst, you seem to be everywhere these days

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup Gamma, nice to finally play with you. how've you been?

Didn’t we play in Mafia Month? Anyway I’m doing well

[Gamma Emerald]

initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.

Talking about Key? I get why thinking about the game in terms of what's possible instead of what's probable feels scummy, but coupled with Key's genuinely inquisitive tone it actually feels pretty town to me. I also thought he was genuinely confused by my early play in a way that scum wouldn't openly admit, and I also get the sense that Key was genuinely excited about getting into the scumhunting part of the game so quickly.

I think this is not the time to worry about possible v probable
That comes when things are developed and you’re trying to sort the setup and such
Early day one no one’s done much of anything where possible v probable means much

[Gamma Emerald]

The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma bro, you’ve got to show me you’re trying to sort the playerlist

You’re not in the top half of my reads at the moment. You’ve been too nice and too distant so far

Distant and nice is kinda the goal right now? I want to enjoy this as much as possible, getting into a big stink kinda defeats that goal. I’ll push what I think needs pushing but for now I’m kicking back.

[Gamma Emerald]

My answer:
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry but I have this uneasy feeling that you were attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions. I have seen scum spend their time posting about such contradictions instead of having a more measured approach of meditating about the motivation of the player/could a town player have said this?/asking yourself ‘is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes?’

Shoshin’s entry and direction gave you that opportunity to ‘bite’.

Your only out here is if you may have been shortsighted. That is why I wore glasses when I approached the crash scene, that was page one

a) 'attacking things (or being overly concerned) for surface level entanglements/contradictions' - it was page1 RVS and discussing it pretty much got the game out of RVS? Imo that's basically how we leave RVS, by finding something to talk about. I guess I don't particularly object to the 'biting' notion you have, but I disagree that it was scum-motivated.

b) 'instead of having a more measured approach / asking yourself 'is this a rational stance to have if I were in their shoes''. That's the point; I don't think this was a rational sense if she understood that post wasn't serious, as she claims she does. I pointed out that she seemed to be applying a level of unreasonable scrutiny to what was obviously a joke RVS post to me, so I was pointing out that it wasn't a serious post in case she read it seriously when it wasn't meant to be read that way. She says she understood that it wasn't serious but that it was 'pro-scum' for reasons she didn't elaborate upon when I asked her to.

I don't understand how that was a rational stance to have to that post if she understood it wasn't serious; and I pointed out it wasn't serious in case she didn't understand that.

--

The most townie thing I'm seeing from you is that you keep referencing your mindset from this other towngame and are like drawing parralels from your play there to your play here.

This is what I'm liking about stungun

I actually have to question this if it’s how you say it is: couldn’t he just be scum scripting his play to fit that?
Still townread stungun but your logic kinda seems weak

I'm aware; it's not like I called him a super strong townread or anything. It's possible that it could be scripting but he keeps on referencing his thought process in his towngame and how it relates to this game and it's very *thorough* and *consistent* and that's basically how I play (by comparing a given scenario to a similar past scenario and trying to figure out if things from the past are applicable/useful here) so it's a thought process that makes sense to me.

Ah I actually have a tendency to drop references to past games myself. I think I get this now.

[Gamma Emerald]

A50?

Lolpls
While it sounded like him at first a couple of things he said struck me as too different

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I'll offer you a position as my honorary second vote on math if you want

but really what do you think? I know you read both it and math posts if you've read skitters walls

Mathdino actually seems alright for now
And what is this it you refer to?

[Gamma Emerald]

the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying

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[Gamma Emerald]

the unfortunate thing is even if true the implications of wanting to establish a meta of rhyming like this every game are profoundly horrifying

Not every game, but I do want the freedom
To play the same when I don't want to lead 'em

Lol I know exactly which Hamilton line this is referencing

[Gamma Emerald]

Mathdino seems alright based on you own parameters minus a few things I kinda feel are letdowns Bernie
PEdit: lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmm @gamma or otherwise you can me I guess as it is kind of getting distracting

the irony is people will see my classic lovely signature note on meta I reinstated when the normal filled

BOONSKIIES?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I guess not
You did signature and meta and that made me think you were him

[Gamma Emerald]

oh hi this game exploded

[Gamma Emerald]

Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?

I kinda question the motive of this type of post: it reads like trying to subtly make someone drop the read they're being told to set aside

[Gamma Emerald]

momrangel really needs to start talking about other players, not just Invisibility

Would you say she is a competent town/scum player?

Yes to town, quite a bit for scum, based on my experience playing with/modding for her

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah I read Shoshin as yikes level lynchbait and your push was scummy

FTR you're more likely town than Shoshin atm I'm just not happy about it

So what I'm getting out of this is:
Shoshin reads as lynchbait
Keyser pushing Shoshin is bad
Keyser still reads town otherwise
Am I correct?

[Gamma Emerald]

alright cool

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we're scumbuddies and are trying to mislead you

[Gamma Emerald]

heyyyy rude can you do that

lol, just wanted to get a rise out of you, but it does kinda feel that way, still thinking you're town rn tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze

Mathdino
Bernie

Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility

Gamma Emerald
skitter

Why is Gamma down there?

What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Gamma down there?

Gut
Associatives
Safe play

And some other things. Like... IDK, he's not playing outside his realm of meta but like, I can easily see him as a buddy with skitter, and possibly duck.

He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical

Yes I am excited
But I'm not being super-hyper this game. Get the drift?

[Gamma Emerald]

stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.

[Gamma Emerald]

stungun have I missed any questions you've asked me? I haven't seen any.

hadn’t gotten to the bottom of the player list yet. only keyser and you have gone unaddressed.

anyways,

@keyser, since I’m having trouble with this myself, I’d like you to build opposing cases for a town—bernie sanders and a scum—bernie sanders and see which alignment adds up more to you. can you help me out with this? i’m gonna look into him when i have the chance myself.

hmm... @gamma, which of the replace-outs do you feel is more likely to flip town?
my answer: this is a double-edged sword, as neither slot has convinced me of anything even remotely pro-town, but probably nsg if i had to guess right now because of skitter’s abovementioned statement of her /out-ing for other games as well, which i hadn’t seen. seems plausible for a town case given the circumstancial evidence supporting it, and gemini’s replace out seems weird after we were looking forward to playing in the same faction in this game, and i am town, so it’s a possibility she didn’t like not being on a scum team without me on it as well, which we would have both enjoyed.

My logic is the exact same as yours. Yeah nsg flaking out is ehhh but given the ubiquitous drop-out I think it's passable, while the gemini replace is fishy for the reasons you stated.

[Gamma Emerald]

i finally put together something i remember you saying on the discord, and then checked rask's account and saw that the references regarding your sig and gamma added up.

OH NOW I GET IT
So it took me being wrong to get the puzzle solved, nice

[Gamma Emerald]

mmm irrelephants quick turn off keysor is odd because it seemed like a vote he was good with so even if stungun protested to go from it to skitter doesnt feel right

Quick turns are a towntell, don't get all confused
Read TM White Flag, you might be amused

Talking about Ranmaru's play right?

[Gamma Emerald]

also post reveal Bernie Sanders remains probably my strongest townread I think

What, did you think he reminds you of Boon
Where you're blind to goon links cuz hes like, some buffoon
Explain why you're suddenly willing to set a
Townread so lovingly with no hot meta

That was me who thought he was Boon
tw thought (correctly) BS is rask

[Gamma Emerald]

Stun-town
Keys???town

Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Gamma??? Worth looking into

Elephant???town
Nanci???
Sho???
Skit???

DUCCKKKKYYYYYY!!!!if scum, never playing with Gemini again

NSG??
Bernie???town

Mentally I'm on page 9, but I don't know invisibilitys meta. I've never played and I pulled something I thought was scummy and rolled with it. I know you touched on it once but like, even if it is his meta whats stopping him from being scum here? If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.

not much a fan of the bolded here (stances that are not really stances)
also sitting on a read people are hard saying is stylistic should eventually spur something as well rather than sitting too long which
A) do check it, if you disagree with conclusions you can argue that point
B) sort people saying this thing and try to ascertain their level of judgment: keysor IIRC had this approach
C) temporarily prioritize
though maybe strike that as she did seem to do b c after caught up fully

Actually the reads you bolded seem very sensible thanks to two games very close in number that momrangal was involved in.

[Gamma Emerald]

Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?

I kinda question the motive of this type of post: it reads like trying to subtly make someone drop the read they're being told to set aside

HMM didnt we go through this in clownspiracy

Don't recall that, please point it out?

[Gamma Emerald]

Brass you're an ass, go take a poem class
Near rhymes are a fast way to give your raps a pass

I would've noted that there is a rhyme just not at the ends of the lines

[Gamma Emerald]

Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze

Mathdino
Bernie

Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility

Gamma Emerald
skitter

Why is Gamma down there?

What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.

You have disappointed me in the following areas:
- attitude
- pro-active sorting contribution thus far
- laid back nonchalance to a challenging game
- timing of choosing when to offer an opinion

None of these points I would label in my personal ‘bottom scum read’ category.


But I can empathisize with mom’s later explanation of why SHE has you down there.

I also know it is within your ability to redeem yourself however, as you are a quality player. Hence my frustration.

Huh. Never expected that I would ever get BoP'd in my career after coming across an evaluation of my play in a scum PT a little bit back
I might have to make an alt for my "for fun" games from now on
but yeah I guess I'll cut the bullshit and play serious from this point on since LITERALLY EVERYONE expects that from me

[Gamma Emerald]

It's referring to your claim that your teammates would be helping you polish, which would imply day chat

Slip of some sort? idk

[Gamma Emerald]

I have multiple townreads but no scumreads
gonna re-read the people with wagons on em, but later cos I'm gonna watch anime for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

I seem to recall pointing out that I ask about day chat all the time regardless of alignment due to a thing that happened in one of my newbie games

I have many opinions of Irrelephant11 but I will wait for your write ups on other players (as in anyone except you, but including the thoughts about me) to give you a chance to change my mind first

First point: I was inquiring about what Irrelephant said, not you
Second point: is this at me, and wtf does it mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have multiple townreads but no scumreads
gonna re-read the people with wagons on em, but later cos I'm gonna watch anime for a bit

I mean you could sheep

I mean I'd vote the worst but he's already got a big wagon right

[Gamma Emerald]

alright cool

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we're buddies and we figured it out

Brother, what did you want us to Sheep you and Shoshin with?

Only Nauci=scum?

What had you ‘figured out’ so confidently?

bruh
I might have actually had something when I did my meme

[Gamma Emerald]

I am kinda excited to play with invisibility fwiw

Why?

Because he posts a lot in GIM, one of the few topics I pretty much always follow

[Gamma Emerald]

don't give me that phoney AtE crap. if you think it's fake tell me why you think it's fake. the fact you're trying to call me out on a personality thing when you don't know me is g r o s s

but also most of the player list just feels totally resigned with my lunch. like if I was revealed as IC where would people even go?

Uh it seems fake because we're not seeing any proof?

[Gamma Emerald]

been deliberating over this for some time, but

@mod: replace me. Also, can I choose to proxy to Keyser until I am replaced?

I really like the flavor of this game, so I’m ashamed I have to do this. If this was my only game, I’d be able to keep up with it, but it’s not. I have another account that I am also playing games on, and i got much going on irl. finding it extremely difficult and as sacrificing too much of my time to keep up with this thread and balance it with other games i’m in rn, but i will make a parting statement. I feel like there’s way too much thread spamming going on, whoever is town should really consider posting less content because there’s way too much unnecessary content being posted in the thread, and it can’t all be from scum. Further, the content is distracting from catching scum.

DEAR WHOEVER REPLACES ME: ONE MISSION; LOOK INTO WHO DIDN’T RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE!


UNVOTE: Irrelephant



PS(parting statement): KEYSER IS TOWN NO MATTER WHAT; my strongest TR has never EVER been wrong regardless of my own alignment. It has resulted in me replacing into a game on N1 and correctly neighbouring a town player AFTER A D1 scum lynch, and taking full advantage of it to eventually win a game for town in LYLO, so you can trust this read with your life. There’s a definite chance shoshin is scum, but regarding keyser DON’T FALL FOR THE SHIT OTHERS ARE FEEDING YOU RE: HIS READ. SOMEBODY IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO PLANT SEEDS OF DOUBT HIM, AND IT’S WORKING TOO!



/legacy post

okay then
I guess there's no reason to lie about the strength of his reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I get that
but he specifically states his strongest townread as either alignment is always town
Honestly that feels like a trust tell

[Gamma Emerald]

A sidenote while I write about Keyser - these are the three largest wagons so far:

Momrangal(4) ~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)
the worst(4) ~ Invisibility(28), skitter30(63), Bernie Sanders(81), Nauci(26)
Nauci(4) ~ Shoshin(112), Irrelephant11(62), Momrangal(36), the worst(99)

the worst probably is actually scum

Mathdino
Keyser Soze
Gamma Emerald
^while these three have avoided being on any large wagons


Also if nauci is town this just sucks I thought my play showed my town motivations

If she's scum that makes it easier to reconcile how upset I am about it with how well I thought I'd been playing

...I see now why I am stuck on a nauci scumread let me also start over on her

I haven't voted once

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I really need to hear your thoughts now given the game state.

I mean I have been saying what I've felt needed to be said
but I can definitely go back and give commentary on what I may have missed the first time around
I can see we've got a few replacements from the preview window tho so that's good
one thing I can say is relevant is the idea that the replace outs were all scum. I feel like given invisibility's replace it could be that he just felt hopeless with his scumteam inactive/being replaced.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gustavo replaces stungun0404. Please welcome him.

The slot which he got was determined by rolling dice, and should not be considered AI for any of the slots being replaced at this time.

the rule is you replace based on timing of replace out fyi

Noted for the future, I was unaware of that rule.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup everyone. Bare with me. I hope I can catch up soon. My gut would be to just vote nauci and create some fireworks but I’m learning people don’t like fireworks so I’ll try a different approach.

idk I've never played with you so I wouldn't know

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want a 1500 page essay. Simply two or three sentences to say why Nauci isn't town Nauci in your opinion, then I leave you.

so what impressed me about Nauci's playstyle when I was scum vs. her was how transparently conspicuously town she was. she was constantly critical, open minded and worked well with others townies.

she feels less attached and engaged here and I cannot shake the feeling that her posting is pushing an agenda and specific preconceived stances rather than actively forming opinions fluidly as she goes.

if that makes sense??

I can get that idea but want to take a look myself before I make a full conclusion

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m gonna take a break from this game for the night

Nauci finding scum motivation for every little thing I do is exhausting, regardless of her alignment

See you tomorrow

Yeah that's not AI, Zyf did it to me in my first game here (I miss him btw)
@gustavo I'm saying Idk how I'd respond to your playstyle given I haven't had a chance to

[Gamma Emerald]

Not_Mafia replaces Invisibility. Again, I rolled a dice to determine who replaces whom. It has been totally random that the first to request replacement is also the last to be replaced.

Please welcome Not_Mafia

Hello
Let's see if one of {me, Mathdino} can't figure out your alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

Not_Mafia! Excellent. Easiest guy to read in the game. Such a simple mind. In a good way.

fucking how do you read NM

[Gamma Emerald]

really? i iwish i had this skill

The trick is to not overthink it. Is he doing pro-town things? He's town. Is he doing pro-scum things? He's scum.

I'm sorry what
like the whole thing with NM is he's anti-town as town
have you seen him quickhammer, that's like one of his deals

[Gamma Emerald]

Nauci

Why did you vote nauci immediately after math did with absolutely no reason for it and hardly any mention of him prior?

VOTE: shoshin

He’s not a team player. I ask him a few questions and he flails and votes me.

By his own definition of what scum is, he’s guilty of being scum.

I’ll see y’all day 2.

does this not strike you as a situation scum!Shoshin would try to avoid being in though?

idk I think I've seen people make that mistake before, may have even made it myself once

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter, you can sheep me too, you know. I know you don't have any experience with me but my reads are usually pretty good.

Why the appeal?

[Gamma Emerald]

nvm I understand what it was

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just here to deny I misrepped shoshin. I find it kind of hypocritical since he misrepped the worst.

I’d also like to say my scum game is nothing like my play so far this game and in both of those games he linked, sho did provide some sort of explanation for his vote or reads.

So Sho isn't playing her scum or town game based on those
so why do you think she's scum here?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Gustavo

I'd like input from others.

Idk I think there might be something there but I wasn't paying to much attention cos you guys were having like 3 different conversations and I only really paid attention to one while going through it
PEdit: I already said I understood the intent of the post. 5 scumpoints for House Gustavo.

[Gamma Emerald]

DEAR WHOEVER REPLACES ME: ONE MISSION; LOOK INTO WHO DIDN’T RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE!

Sorry predecessor. I’m having trouble deciphering your posts. I see where you ask questions and then seem to answer them yourself which basically makes them useless. I’m not sure going backwards at this point will be useful. I also didn’t see anything super important in them. I’ll try again when I get to a computer.

Not really? I mean I had the opinion he did with the question he asked me, but that doesn't mean I could just copy him, I'm fairly certain he could be able to tell.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Gustavo

I'd like input from others.

Idk I think there might be something there but I wasn't paying to much attention cos you guys were having like 3 different conversations and I only really paid attention to one while going through it
PEdit: I already said I understood the intent of the post. 5 scumpoints for House Gustavo.

I wasn’t responding to you. My response was to whoever he was talking to, but thanks. How can I earn more scum points? I want the most

okay in that case the scumpoints are retracted because I thought you were responding to a closed thought which felt kinda sketchy, because as scum I myself have had the habit of responding to irrelevant things (I do it as town too but I feel like it's more prominent from scum!me)

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not going to argue this game. I’m done with you. You aren’t willing to cooperate clearly. It’s going to just piss me off and I need to stay chill because the mod I’m sure didn’t even want me to play.

Honestly I think you might be irrational here, at least wrt how you're criticizing Shoshin for lying about not explaining reads when she's provided fairly solid proof and others have backed it up afaict

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm browsing gustavo's meta gets me back toward a townread, though

I just think he's wrong

Honestly same

[Gamma Emerald]

A lot of shoshin's reason-less votes have been toward the end of creating wagons imo
That's what's pro-town about her play and her voting

Idk what this means. End of creating wagons?

I don't see that anyone responded to this so what was meant was that shoshin's goal was creating wagons

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't voted once

And that is a huge red flag.

With regards to gamma one could argue he’s avoiding this game. Last post here on Tuesday. Posted on site yesterday. Logged on today.

What do you think of me now?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so

I don't know how I feel about Gus but he did ruffle enough feathers that I now have better reads on people.

Shoshin goes from null-town to town-lean (now that I realize she was casing me more than defending Irrelephant, I'm feeling really good about her)
Irrelephant11 goes from scummy to null
Momrangal goes from null to scummy

And all of the lurkers are on the naughty list, including math

Skitter the wk is an interesting theory; do you believe the premise for it, that tw is town?

Strangely enough the duckster has somehow earned a null from me for now

There are way too many places I want to vote right now but I'll start with VOTE: momrangal

Couple of questions:
Why are you categorizing Math as a lurker? For the most part he's been active even though he missed his specified day of contribution.
Can you describe how exactly Gustavo helped your reads?
Why pick momrangal out of those you wanted to vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy balls N_M is here
If he posts then there's no fear
I'm really sorry for ghosting y'all
My sitewide posting has slowed to a crawl
I'll stop rhyming when I can sit down and write
Until then I still think a Gamvote is right

Why are you saying to vote me here?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, who's scum?

fyi I have a couple of leads but no concrete scumreads yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, what're your reads?

probably something like this
Mathdino kinda towny
Nauci tbd
Irrelephant11 towny I guess
skitter30 feels towny but idk why
Momrangal haven't gotten anything solid yet
Shoshin kinda towny
Bernie Sanders kinda feels town
Not_Mafia a bit scummish
the worst could be scum
Gustavo could be irrational town or scum
northsidegal blech
Keyser Soze probably town but still feel a bit paranoid
Like I feel like I have a decent amount of townreads but my scumreads lack definition
fyi nauci is tbd not because I don't have anything to work with but I want to see how something shakes out
PEdit: why can't shoshin and gustavio be town together?

[Gamma Emerald]

oops I meant "scum together"

he keeps getting her gender wrong

oh lol that's much more sensible
also Rask I've only just started seriously questioning things so it's kinda hard to draw conclusions from it yet
Pedit: lol so you noticed

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, can you link some representative games of you as town/scum?

Honestly I have so many games of varying quality that it's kinda hard to do that without also omitting some element of my play
would you like one good and one bad of each?
also VOTE: Gustavo because at this point he rings more of scum who just doesn't give a shit if he's wrong rather than town who's tunneled.

[Gamma Emerald]

How much would I have to read?

You are aware there's a visible page count right?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nauci I never asked about scum!irrelephant?
And how am I your other top pick based on that logic?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nauci I never asked about scum!irrelephant?
And how am I your other top pick based on that logic?

You asked me how the Gustavo interactions helped my reads, so I explained the two reads that I now have more data points for because of his interactions

You are the other poster who is currently active and needs a lot more engagement to swing my scum vibe, versus nsg/tw/etc.

I have no idea how to even get nm to converse so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A lot more engagement how? If I need to be more engaged, what the fuck do you want from me? If others need to be more engaged with me that's placing the burden of removing the scumread on other people which isn't fair to me because regardless of what I do if no one else does what you want "oh no one is engaging with him, SCUM!!!!"

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

The fact he’s not voted all game and his first vote is on me and his reason basically implies he knows I’m town is a red flag for me

I can’t be scum who doesn’t give a shit if I’m wrong. I’m fairly obviously town. He’s not scum hunting imo.

How can't you be that? Despite half or more of the game telling you you're wrong you're still bullrushing the "shoshin is scum for lying" idea. As I see it you will never consider a counterargument because it doesn't fit your scum agenda.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should be able to sort Nauci after they respond the my last post to them

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

The fact he’s not voted all game and his first vote is on me and his reason basically implies he knows I’m town is a red flag for me

I can’t be scum who doesn’t give a shit if I’m wrong. I’m fairly obviously town. He’s not scum hunting imo.

How can't you be that? Despite half or more of the game telling you you're wrong you're still bullrushing the "shoshin is scum for lying" idea. As I see it you will never consider a counterargument because it doesn't fit your scum agenda.

Being wrong implies I don’t know sho’s alignment. So I can’t be wrong and scum.

I can be scum pushing a mislynch but you didn’t say that. I could easily call that a scum slip on your part.

Me as scum would be stupid to push somebody everyone is town reading because of the negative attention I’d receive, and look. I’m receiving negative attention.

I'm not saying you're wrong about your read. I'm saying your logic is wrong. Multiple people have objected to your reasoning and you haven't taken any of it in. Whether it's a mislynch is irrelevant tbh but more than likely, it is. And I don't recall everyone townreading Shoshin?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald ISO re-read:

Entitled 'A Tale of WIFOM'.
Took over 5 posts to get Gamma to share a simple observation/opinion/read, despite a page one break from RVS.
Told me he wants to "kick back" this game, so indirectly acknowledges his distant/laboured start. I wanted The Incredible Hulk, he was giving me comatose Bruce Banner.
Early game, seemed to be more interested in finding out who Bernie Sanders was an alt of instead of finding out who was scum
Gamma then challenges both Shoshin and Invisibility. Would class it as pro-active surface level scum hunting. He's looking for meaning, but it's easy work so far, so not gonna applaud.
Gamma talks a bit game theory with Soshin. Playing the nice/helpful guy so far... but later says skitter's "logic kinda seems weak". I prefer this more pointed play. Still not enough aggressive scum hunting for me though.
I called his early play "distant and nice", Gamma comes back and says: "I want to enjoy this as much as possible, getting into a big stink kinda defeats that goal". Gamma is fully aware (or says he is fully aware) of the non-aggressive tone he is demonstrating. Thus, he acknowledges he'll likely stick out among the loud/abrasive/tenacious characters in the playerlist.

Keyser if you put your sus on me aside for the moment who do you think is scum?

I kinda question the motive of this type of post: it reads like trying to subtly make someone drop the read they're being told to set aside

This suspicion involves me as the victim, so it resonated with me for a while, and added another shade to my suspicion of Bernie Sanders. I hope Gamma follows up this with more questions to BS.

honestly fair, but I didn't see any continuation of this, however he never answered why I shouldn't be harping on him about this.

What have I done to deserve being higher? You haven't seemed to have that high of an opinion of me so far so this is off-color imo.

Yes, feels like Gamma questioning the sincerity of my frustration/suspicion of his slot. He notices a CONTRADICTION. But it does demonstrate he is actually

very aware

of players who are not town reading him (I never called him outright 'scum', but I have been keeping him in my sight all game, nudging and poking him).

Decides NSG's rep out wasn't AI: "Yeah nsg flaking out is ehhh but given the ubiquitous drop-out I think it's passable". Wouldn't scum want to keep all replace out slots in the lynchable zone?

[INSERT FROM LATER]

one thing I can say is relevant is the idea that the replace outs were all scum.

Oh... Gamma has changed his tune.. please confirm Gamma



Still too much fixation over who he thinks BS is. Needs to be more serious.

Defends Momrangel over Bernie's accusation that her stances were not actually stances/sitting on hard-read people. Is Gamma developing a scum read on Bernie...?

I have multiple townreads but no scumreads

Not even a s/lean on Bernie?
[LATER]

Bernie Sanders kinda feels town

OK, I was way off. Definitely thought he cast some doubt in your head surely though...?

Just because I disagreed with Bernie's stance doesn't mean that I should scumread them. Pretty poor reasoning there.

I haven't voted once

Gamma's "no scumreads" comment is backed up by the point that he hasn't voted anyone. However, if he's finding it hard to sort players why not use your vote? He surely isn't hard town reading everyone. Why not step on people's toes, provoke reactions, follow up your suspicions. You can't play this sit-on-fence periphery figure without expecting the wrath of other players questioning your behaviour (quite a WIFOM element in favour of him, as it would be so easy to lynch him for his backseat persona). The way he said "I haven't voted once" sounded like he was open and proud of that fact too

I wasn't proud of it, I was just stating it's kinda weird to judge me with the other non-voters given that fact.

Gustavo is the ONE player I feel Gamma has interacted with directly (with emotion?). Gamma does look torn on Gustavo.

you obviously aren't reviewing my most recent play if this is your conclusion on the matter.

These are Gamma's null/scum leans:

Nauci tbd
Momrangal haven't gotten anything solid yet
Not_Mafia a bit scummish
the worst could be scum
Gustavo could be irrational town or scum
northsidegal blech

I wish I'd seen more direct interactions with these players. A town player should be showing more signs of frustration with so many unresolved players.

Nauci and Gustavo don't really count among those, NM yeah I want to interact but that require his participation too, Momrangal is honestly the one I most want to chat with out of those, tw hasn't been too active, and putting nsg on there is just foul cos the slot was inactive, so how could I interact? This point kinda makes me scumread Keyser a bit.

A lot more engagement how? If I need to be more engaged, what the fuck do you want from me? If others need to be more engaged with me that's placing the burden of removing the scumread on other people which isn't fair to me because regardless of what I do if no one else does what you want "oh no one is engaging with him, SCUM!!!!"

Oh dear lord.

*FEELS INTENSFIES*

has Gamma finally cracked?

I mean in a sense yeah? I'm not very happy with the standard Nauci seems to be judging me from.

Some conclusions soon.

@Gamma - what do you think my read of you should be right now, based on my above opinions of your play so far?

Honestly I'd expect a scumread, but some of your stuff feels questionable. I'll be sure to work on a write up of a couple of questions to some of the people you reminded me of (Bernie, Momrangal, NM, EP)

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying your logic is wrong. Multiple people have objected to your reasoning and you haven't taken any of it in.

This still implies I’m town.

I’m not taking it in because those people aren’t really looking at his actions. They are biased because they already town read him and they refuse to consider a new perspective.

Nobody has explained why town sho would lie like he did, why town sho would refuse to answer me, or even why town show would accuse others of misrepping when he is guilty of it himself.

So since nobody can do that, their opinions don’t really hold any weight.

This is basically multiple cases of conf.bias.

But sho didn't even lie? I'm gonna need you to demonstrate how what she has said about her meta is a lie. As for refusing to answer you maybe it's because she thinks you're not judging her fairly so she sees no point? As for misrepping haven't paid attention to that so I may need to look that over myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw gamma, The fact you went a majority of the day without voting anyone is a huge red flag. The few times I’ve seen that those people flipped scum. Even if I’m wrong and you are actually town, it’s shameful you’ve done that.

I think that's the first time I've done that in any game. Honestly I'm not happy with it myself because it makes me feel like I'm dead weight.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna need you to demonstrate how what she has said about her meta is a lie.

Did that already. She said she doesn’t give reasons or whatever (can’t remember the exact phrase) but most of her votes has reason. She said I should know based off her meta she doesn’t do this but her meta showed she did.

That’s a lie. A straight up, bold faced lie

She said she doesn't give reasons SOMETIMES. Holy hell, I would think that would be the intuitive conclusion, given never explaining your votes is a good way to not be trusted. I guess I can understand a little though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Doing my questioning:

Bernie:

why should clownspiracy make you asking deflecting-type questions not something I should be wary of?

Not_Mafia:

is there anyone you think has been getting less attention than they should?

Errant:

What do your reads look like, and is there anything you think most people missed that is informing them?

Momrangal:

What do you think of {mathdino, tw, nm}, especially compared to other times you've seen them? In addition, are there any people you'd like me to reconsider my read on?

[Gamma Emerald]

You should vote who you think is scum mate. Not who you think i’m bussing. I may be wrong about BS.

I.e if I flip scum, then look at my associations.

Possible point on Irrelephant? Not sure about the current practical strength but I have a personal theory that people voting weird places based on associations have a decent chance of flipping scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - what do you think my read of you should be right now, based on my above opinions of your play so far?

this is a really weird question

I wanted him to realise how much of a lynchbait-type persona he’d become in my eyes.

However, he ended up scum reading me for my observations of him... so not the desired effect

Not

exactly

. I thought your observations were poor, yes. But it wasn't enough for me to think you were scum. I must've missed you responding to that btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand why you read my words in that manner, but I'd like to clarify that "more engagement" meant literally just more words/posts. I haven't seen enough posts to really get a feel on what your thought processes or emotions or whatever else are like, and I generally read people by what I feel like their point of view/thought processes may have been. I have seen a bit that could be scummy, and I haven't seen enough that feels very town to me to change that evaluation much. I just need more content from you, regardless of what you comment on or who interacts with you.

Do you *need* someone to prod you in order to post? Why not just comment on the relatively dramatic events thus far? It's not like our arguments are a VIP only party and you're not invited.

So basically you just needed more from me? Why don't you have enough yet? I actually decided to ramp up my activity to get you to maybe show some development here and the fact you're not gives me some Regardless Of vibes.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nauci I never asked about scum!irrelephant?
And how am I your other top pick based on that logic?

You asked me how the Gustavo interactions helped my reads, so I explained the two reads that I now have more data points for because of his interactions

You are the other poster who is currently active and needs a lot more engagement to swing my scum vibe, versus nsg/tw/etc.

I have no idea how to even get nm to converse so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A lot more engagement how? If I need to be more engaged, what the fuck do you want from me? If others need to be more engaged with me that's placing the burden of removing the scumread on other people which isn't fair to me because regardless of what I do if no one else does what you want "oh no one is engaging with him, SCUM!!!!"

Before I finish my catch up I just keep mentally going back to posts like these

So much of your content was fluff (Bernie speculation, "I don't feel like posting" posts, posts like these, etc.). I FOS you for the exact same reasons that I did back in page 5, just a little less because there's *some* engagement on the board.

But this reaction to my read of you just strikes me as strange and I don't have time to meta-dive you to figure out what it means for your alignment.

I'm reacting this way because your read just doesn't feel like it's developing in any meaningful way despite me feeling like there's reason for it to. Even if your read didn't change I would have expected something along the lines of "yes he's posting but it feels manufactured". I do actually get a bit of that in this post though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let’s lynch Gamma and end this day already

How about let's not just yet
the fact that the game suddenly stalled is really fucking questionable

[Gamma Emerald]

Doing quick activity checks to determine if anyone could be scum due to the stall
Mathdino hasn't posted since posting here
Bernie hasn't even posted on his main and has also declared a v/la on his main
Not_Mafia has DEFINITELY been active elsewhere, thinking this might actually be mafia
the worst has been active elsewhere, plus despite being bored at one point has not tried to engage since then, probably scum
Shoshin has been very active in one other game, this might be passable but still sketchy
skitter hasn't been active elsewhere, same for momrangal and keyser
EP's kinda been active elsewhere, but it's sprinkled in so I don't think it's scummy
Nauci hasn't been active elsewhere
everyone else has posted since brassherald last posted so not going to deal with them
VOTE: the worst
Still definitely want to keep talking with Gustavo but he's actually provided signs that he's not bsing so I don't like the vote as much, and given the compilation of things against the worst I think he's the best vote rn

[Gamma Emerald]

From a probabilistic perspective, scum says this more often than town I think, in the weighted sense
1048 is also bad

1. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen scum say that. Town need people to work together scum doesn’t.
2. I don’t understand how that post could be perceived as bad if you understand how wagon analysis works but ok...

Keep in mind I think you're tending towards town due to your predecessor, and rereading I'll take back what I said regarding the post about you not working with scum. I still didn't like the way it felt like you were tooting your own horn about your strong entrance

Errant:

What do your reads look like, and is there anything you think most people missed that is informing them?

Basically most of the points I think are salient are in my posts, as are my reads? What was your intention with that question

I figured since you're the freshest person here I should ask you what you thought might have been missed

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think of {mathdino, tw, nm}, especially compared to other times you've seen them? In addition, are there any people you'd like me to reconsider my read on?

Duck.

Also, NM posted like, once? I feel like I remember him posting alot more as town and I expected him to make a bigger entrance here now that you've brought him up.

I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.

Duck, I've stated my thoughts on him multiple times, and I am not really seeing the lack of spirit that everyone else seems to see. I don't think he's played like he did when he was scum though this fade is a little weird, but I think it's entirely plausible that this game may have slipped his mind. I also see him as town based off something that I don't really want to talk about

Eh I guess you may have a point on the worst UNVOTE:
idk if NM would be more or less active as scum though

[Gamma Emerald]

Still definitely want to keep talking with Gustavo

About what? I’m here.

Well I want to continue our dialogue wrt shoshin, but in addition I want to know what you make of the stall that happened

[Gamma Emerald]

A lot more engagement how? If I need to be more engaged, what the fuck do you want from me? If others need to be more engaged with me that's placing the burden of removing the scumread on other people which isn't fair to me because regardless of what I do if no one else does what you want "oh no one is engaging with him, SCUM!!!!"

Doing quick activity checks to determine if anyone could be scum due to the stall
Mathdino hasn't posted since posting here
Not_Mafia has DEFINITELY been active elsewhere, thinking this might actually be mafia
the worst has been active elsewhere, plus despite being bored at one point has not tried to engage since then, probably scum
Shoshin has been very active in one other game, this might be passable but still sketchy
VOTE: the worst
Still definitely want to keep talking with Gustavo but he's actually provided signs that he's not bsing so I don't like the vote as much, and given the compilation of things against the worst I think he's the best vote rn

VOTE: Gamma

scum with 1+ of the other people he's shaded in 1294.

UNVOTE:

L-2 for ^ this while I catch up proper

this doesn't make you look any better
this means you reacted to my vote with OMGUS before catching up

[Gamma Emerald]

also Gamma has watched scum!me and knows lurking is not scum indicative for me.

I've had a serious week sorting out some career stuff irl. also slightly overgamed. I've been slacking in games I'm less invested in (not elaborating obviously).

the dude literally knows I do not actively make the decision to lurk as scum, so I do not know why he's pushing that angle. >.>

ok fine. I guess that's understandable.

[Gamma Emerald]

Woo I'm glad 3 hours of obsessive Google Sheetsing was helpful

Quick notes:

-Dislike Gus calling for early end of day w/ so many people not posting
-Gamma we can't just keep playing the "I don't think you've made many town posts if at all" vs "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WHY ISN'T THERE ENOUGH WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME" game because that's definitely not town posting
-Gamma's questions post felt like pretty surface level questions idk
-Irrelephant sorry I missed the earlier question; I realize that we were out of RVS pretty quickly but I didn't recall anything particularly meaty happening for a few more pages (I didn't think Shosh/Math interaction was meaningful, but the fallout from it was), but 5 was just an approximation.

I need to find time for an ISO but I just haven't gotten the town vibes from momrangal that apparently over half the game has gotten. Can anyone explain their gut feel? I've read some of the individual posts about it but haven't felt convinced at all and am sad that we haven't wanted to explore that at all. I think there's enough room left in the game to pressure a couple of other people.

Also going to set aside time to look at the vote stuff I assembled and see if anything jumps out at me as a result of it. I was too focused on putting it together to actually parse it but no time yet :/

I'm actually done fussing about how you're reading me

if Mom's scum I think she'd have voted town Gamma already.

I think this is kinda sensible since there's a whole lot of reason she's given to vote me and yet she's waffled the whole time
it's a lot of work to look a little town if she's scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Hamma Emerald

Mathdino/the worst, talk to me here: what do you make of NM's activity this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's scum because he's not scumhunting and because everyone else is more town.

BULLSHIT
Mind telling the class how none of what I've been doing is scumhunting?

[Gamma Emerald]

Still definitely want to keep talking with Gustavo

About what? I’m here.

Well I want to continue our dialogue wrt shoshin, but in addition I want to know what you make of the stall that happened

I have no interest in talking about shoshin. I’m not sure what stall people are talking about. It seems that people continue to lurk or be inactive.

brass (the mod) made a post stating no one had voted since last VC and there hadn't been a new page
which was a serious drop in activity from the rest of the game
as such I had to conclude a stall had happened

[Gamma Emerald]

So thinking about it NM inactivity might be NAI? This isn't anywhere near solid fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

Mind telling the class how none of what I've been doing is scumhunting?

I don't think there's much chance of convincing you that you're scum, so not sure what you're hoping to achieve here.

Convincing me that you're not manufacturing a crock of bullshit to mislynch me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mind telling the class how none of what I've been doing is scumhunting?

I don't think there's much chance of convincing you that you're scum, so not sure what you're hoping to achieve here.

Convincing me that you're not manufacturing a crock of bullshit to mislynch me?

That should be apparent from my posting. If I'm wrong about you, then where did I go wrong with my townreads?

So you only have one scumread in me? Who is scum with me? Besides that rather than deflecting to your other reads, how about you justify your read on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay you have to admit that it's reasonable for me to question if your townread on her is worth its salt if the post was defending you, regardless of the rest of the context, right?

Irrelephant11/TW/whomever else was planning to hammer: can we wait to see if Math/NM respond to prods in time? Which is a minimum of 12 hours from now, I think

First question pings me a ton

Yeah definitely, as long as we leave a little time for potential claiming/wagon switching

Also my towntell on Gamma has not been affirmed or refuted by anything since. Still pretty sure it’ll happen or not happen soon tho

Also this disturbs me a bit: you have a towntell on me? You've never played with me!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
so my second game I checked wrt NM was 3-in-1 and in the first game at the very least he was pretty present, and he was town in all 3 games of 3-in-1. So I'm thinking he's scum here. the other game I checked, the earthbound game I modded, he was very active though flavor interest may very well have been the main reason, as he was very excited about it as I remember it.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
so my second game I checked wrt NM was 3-in-1 and in the first game at the very least he was pretty present, and he was town in all 3 games of 3-in-1. So I'm thinking he's scum here. the other game I checked, the earthbound game I modded, he was very active though flavor interest may very well have been the main reason, as he was very excited about it as I remember it.

I’ve never played Earthbound

wat
you were like super into that game, how can you not have played earthbound

[Gamma Emerald]

The only people who really commit to PL’s on me are the noobs and the desperate, and Gamma ain’t no noob

problem is it isn't a PL
glgl

[Gamma Emerald]

In post 1401, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So thinking about it NM inactivity might be NAI? This isn't anywhere near solid fyi


following up on this with a vote on him after nauci votes there is meh

this is taking things out of context quite a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't sit on an NM vote because Gamma chased me on that one

It feels so gross from him. One of the few things that I had as a Gamma town point was the vanity the_worst vote because it seemed like conviction to go after a dead wagon versus hopping on a convenient counter wagon

Like I'm glad I made the NM vote because one of my hesitations with the gamma wagon was that I didn't see scum hopping on counter wagon opportunities, and that vote helped dispel those feels

UNVOTE:

Give me some time to figure out where I want to press at this point because it's exasperating that we're running a ~7 player game with Skitter/shosh/gamma/Irrelephant/Gus/the worst/myself close to deadline

Okay everyone saying "gamma followed nauci" can eat it. I had my own logic for my vote which I know I posted. Actually read the game tia.

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot to address this, there's a couple things I think are important

I have lots of reasons to vote Gamma besides everyone else being more town.

For starters, he spent the majority of the day laying low and offering a couple safe reads on Key and Stun. Yes, he offered the occassional commentary (e.g. 318) but there's no in-depth analysis of alignments.

570 is a scummy I'm-not-town post; questioning Key here doesn't make much sense from a town perspective.

571 feels like a bullshit excuse for not having the excitement he would have had as town.

1109 and 1110 seem like someone who knows Gustavo is town rather than someone who's reading him genuinely. And the follow-up in 1140 feels opportunistic.

Then he starts playing the game a bit more actively since he's under pressure but keeps going after easy targets - eventually votes the worst, keeps talking about NM as null but now he's voting NM.

you're not looking very deep at what 570 means. As far as I could tell Key was scumreading me. So for him to challenge a scumread on me was kinda strange. also as I post this I realize Keyser fencesitting on my slot might actually be a scum thing.
wrt 1109/1110 and 1140, I was thinking "alright, he is being stubborn, why don't I try to reason with him". When he didn't give any indication he wanted to fix anything about his read, I gave up and wrote him of as scum.
Also that's great and all giving a case, but my question still stands about who the hell you think my partners are if everyone else looks more town.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=9985240#p9985240

perfect

ta-da the duck gets it
though I have to question why he called out the fake hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

I have lots of ideas about who Gamma's partners are but it's not something I feel like talking about at this moment.

Too bad. You opened the can of worms now you have to justify yourself. Also really convenient you opt to not talk about it when my lynch is only one vote away and at that point you can just flake the day out.

[Gamma Emerald]

No it's not? Justification means you're providing a reason for me to not think your logic is complete bullshit.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the way you're presenting it seems very short-term. You seem like you're only motivated by lynching me and don't really see the long game of finding any other scum.
honestly the more I talk the more I find Shoshin's logic scum-motivated
VOTE: Shoshin

[Gamma Emerald]

You're not either.
If I get lynched today someone hold Shoshin accountable for this flagrant denial of any accountability. She is not trying to sort the game, she's just playing one mislynch at a time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm pretty sure I read a town game of yours where you called someone scummy for speculating about scum teams on D1. But now it's scummy not to speculate about scum teams on D1? Seems like your perspective on that has changed quite a bit.

Context. I don't remember the other game specifically but here you're asserting everyone is more town, so I'm asking you who among those you think my scumbuddies are. The fact you refuse to answer tells me you haven't thought that far ahead.

[Gamma Emerald]

You're missing the point, Gamma. Even if I haven't thought that far ahead (and I have), why is that scummy if you don't seem to think that far ahead in your own town games? Do you think all townies think that far ahead?

First off, how about you link this game you're referring to? I can't even give a proper argument without knowing which game you're speaking of. If you have thought that far ahead why do I see no signs of it. And yeah townies can fail to think that far ahead but in you case it feels like you slipped up in your logic and are trying to deny the fact that you screwed up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, we're not lynching Shoshin today. She might look scummy on re-read depending on your flip and the night flip (anyone might, honestly - I've played enough to know that no read should stay permanent when flips surprise you), but your vote is moot. How about some clear reads on all players? It might not stop your lynch, but if you're town it would help your win condition all the same.

If you're scum keep doing what you're doing

Why not today? You haven't really provided a good reason why.
As for "clear reads" I think my reads should be clear enough if you pay attention.

[Gamma Emerald]

You not considering the fact that I have to have scumbuddies in order to be scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact it seems like scum that is more focused on getting my mislynch than town who forgot, based on how dodgy you've felt about this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I love how you call my reads OMGUS when they're really fucking not
you're just bad at disassociating the two circumstances
this is to everyone making this conclusion fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

but yeah I guess you're right about why Shoshin isn't happening
I don't want anyone to let this fall by the wayside though. Make sure Shoshin is held accountable.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
quick reads, can't really explain rn

town area
Mathdino *
the worst
Gustavo
Nauci

meh
Bernie Sanders *
Irrelephant11
skitter30
Momrangal
Errantparabola

suspects
Shoshin
Keyser Soze
Not_Mafia*

[Gamma Emerald]

In post 1494, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1436, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1401, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So thinking about it NM inactivity might be NAI? This isn't anywhere near solid fyi


following up on this with a vote on him after nauci votes there is meh

this is taking things out of context quite a bit


ok, what am i taking out of context?

see below

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In post 1495, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay everyone saying "gamma followed nauci" can eat it. I had my own logic for my vote which I know I posted. Actually read the game tia.


yes, you had your own logic but the timing is suspect given that you hopped on the nm wagon 2 posts and 5 minutes after nauci voted there

ok fair. If you are saying the timing looks bad eh not much I can do about that but understandable.

[Gamma Emerald]

$10 word

what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Again I think even if gamma is is scum it's essentially always with momrangal but right now momrangal-the worst looks more of a scum thing.
IDK if literally anyone commented when I brought this up in my last post but it's aTW pressure voted mom and completely dropped it after with no comment to later townread, furthermore mom defends duck. Though momr gamma read (1188) is weird af too soooo.

At this point it is possibly too late (even for me who always deadline pushes) but I would suggest gamma himself and maybe errant consider voting mom unless he scumreads gamma more given he's not even voting

I might be convinced on mom, I feel like the same reasoning that makes me suspect keyser makes mom suspicious as well

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma what are the asterisks in your readslist btw?

I direct copied from playerlist, those are from prods

[Gamma Emerald]

The only potential caveat is he said he was returning after not having played for a bit so his style may genuinely have changed a lot
though even then in mini 2000 he said he was trying a new low activity playstyle (given he was scum there, likely either to attempt to improve his scumgame or just out of boredom)

mini 2000 was actually part of a two-pronged attempt at trying that style: look at ny 211 for the town side. Also look at newbie 1936 for the game that sorta kicked it off

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how did you go from scumreading to having gustavo and tw as town
with duck I thought maybe it was mom 1390 but you still read as scumreading him in 1392 so strong town is weird
gustavo I saw you stopped scumreading his push on you but how does it go from that to town
similarly idk how math could be anything apart from null here

tw I feel like mom might have a meta point, 1392 was me just noting that it looked suspicious so it was called out somewhere. might look back over this if mom were to flip scum though cos a lot of people are saying mom-tw is a possible pairing
gustavo I sorta realized maybe I was wrong, but yeah he shouldn't be high town, but that's not where he is. town area just means a degree of townread
mathdino I think he's actually been pretty present around the beginning

[Gamma Emerald]

A couple of people are asking me to claim rn
I'm a VT, iirc my flavor is Ulysses S. Grant? I've been sorta resigned to getting lynched for a little bit, I know it's probably going to happen sometime barring a cop inno, so might as well get me out of the way while we have the chance. My goal at this point is just getting some good info out for later days.

[Gamma Emerald]

$10 word

what?

A ten dollar word is a longer word that is used in place of a smaller and more well-known word. The origin of ten dollar words dates back to the early 19th century when writers and speakers would use highfalutin words to inflate their appearance and seem smarter than the more average man.

Google is awesome btw. You could have just googled it.

that is true. and yeah I sometimes use those myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why you townread Math? I missed your answer.

I think his effort towards the game comes from a town direction

[Gamma Emerald]

how so
your top townread is on a thoroughly lukewarm mathdino and you've played with math a few times

those reads were not ordered lolpls

[Gamma Emerald]

even so they're 2 people you scumread earlier and mathdino who super lurked so I don't get it
a bit strange given id expect at least one townread on someone you mesh with or think has good thoughts (here your townreads are all voting you lol)

mathdino has only been lurking recently wat
And are you telling me I can't have my reads develop? cos that's messed up. As for people meshing with me I haven't really been looking into that rn, plus that seems an odd expectation kinda? Why do you think I'd be doing that?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you feel most strongly about this game gamma?

My strongest feeling is that maybe people should act on their hunches more. I feel like a lot of things have been suggested but not acted upon so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK BEFORE
Now I DON'T have time tyvm

[Gamma Emerald]

To the people who haven't read the dead thread yet: sorry about this game, I sorta just gave up on trying to shift the wagon away from me after a point since so many people suspected me I knew it was a matter of when

[Gamma Emerald]

T_T I put in soooooooooooooooooooo much effort in this game that I'm burned out too except I signed up for more games so that's bad

Oh well gotta roll up my sleeves and solve those

I see you're in the Alisae circle of mafia enjoyment
I like games ==> plays really hard ==> gets burned out ==> eh whatever ==> trolls around a bit ==> starts to enjoy games again ==> cycle repeats

[Gamma Emerald]

I like games ==> oh god its a month later and I'm still in multiple games with like all this time commitment

Same
I wish I had more charisma or actually bona fide towniness because I want to play too many games and getting NKed would help me

[Gamma Emerald]

My bad on lynching you this game though I really was lazy that day 1 should've lynched duck on gut

No I'm glad you did, I didn't want to be in lylo ever after my play

[Gamma Emerald]

but I'll def take those lessons if you're willing

[Gamma Emerald]

I liked the setup a lot! I think we took it in some weird directions and I thought it was super unique when there was a delayed neighborizer
But yeah from someone with minimal experience I really liked how everything was handled and how roles interacted. Good job!

but there wasn't a delayed neighborizer?

[Gamma Emerald]

So apparently Warren G. Harding was the worst president so far? I over heard that when my mom was talking with my dad about Trump

[Gamma Emerald]

A sign of how much I’ve changed
Subject: Micro 699: Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright [Game Over]

Also I'm never settling for my lynch again, I always lose when that happens

I did this again this game and it worked out

[Gamma Emerald]

A conversation from a recently finished game made me look at an older game, which gave me more to say here