Micro 814: Geriatric Trio (Mafia Victory!!!)

[hitogoroshi]

You seem to have thought that me saying that means I suddenly have an amazing understanding of what's going on around here. Sorry to disappoint you, but nah.

What do you mean "amazing understanding?" I didn't criticize the

quality

of your catchup, I criticized the

utter lack of a single word of catchup

, because reading enough to say the game had a lot of content would presume that you had at least one thought on at one least one part of that content. I mean the whole problem is this post:

I mean I'm obviously reading the thread and if something was more than 70% likely to be scum I'd speak up, but in 7 pages we have a whole lot of nothing. Excuse me for not railing another possible townie on weak reasoning. It's not my style. I jump in when it's worth it.

Lols. I don't know what you're talking about. There's actually a lot of content here. I grossly underestimated this game when I joined and went like "oh 7 pages. This would be a breeze."

Trying to throw gasoline on the Oath wagon by saying that you can't understanding saying "there's a whole lot of nothing" rings tremendously insincere when you then pulled exactly the same thing. It looks an awful lot like you were using the "lot of content" as your reason to not post D1 and let Oath wagon sail through, and then D2 (when you can't get away from posting) you just decided to just switch to a relatively lazier way to catchup, forgetting your statement that you were doing a linear read.

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Is it bad that the game pace is making me want to just hammer? N_M does appear scummy and like he’s hiding behind meta but we are also crawling along slower than a snails pace.

If we have two scum alive in a field of 7 and nearly everyone is okay with the game limping, what does that tell you about the status quo?

Like look at KMD. He thinks not_mafia is a bad lynch today, and that invisibility is likely scum. Invisibility is voting for not_mafia, which should make not_mafia an even less appealing lynch from his point of view. But despite all that, it sure doesn't look like KMD is actually concerned about stopping the not_mafia lynch in favor of his invisibility lynch. Shouldn't he be?

Or hey, look at me. I seem to be held in pretty high town esteem. Does that mean people are engaging with my ceejay case? Well huh, not really. In fact, the only other player to actually give a

read

on Ceejay this whole damn day is you saying you're "not happy" with him. Oh, and KMD saying that he'd take you if it was you vs ceejay (but not why). Is it right or wrong? Who knows, my reads ain't perfect, but what does it mean that folks are complaining about lack of content and then not engaging with me at all?

It sure seems like people want to affect a casual stance on not_mafia, but are simultaneously super unwilling to consider other options. So uhh, yeah, I do think it's bad to want to just hammer based on the game pace, because the answer is to demand more engagement from folks instead of capitulating to it.

[Not_Mafia]

Lynch nonny

[Music Box]

@ hito: My scumread on cj is based on Komala's posts. Cj has at least explained his thoughts a bit which is why he's dropped behind NM and nonny in my reads.

NM is being exasperating but I think there is more than that to his refusal to communicate. I think it's camouflage.

KMD does seem to be pushing Invis some but I don't get a scum feeling from Invis myself, or from KMD.

The reason why hardly anyone is looking at you is that you are coming across strongly as town. The only thing I have against you really is a couple of doubts MoI raised about you before he was nk'd, but I don't know what they were based on, or whether they were just teasers, so I'm loth to act on them.

[nonny]

Hito: I did ask for more from people, I may just suck at engaging others but am totally exasperated at this point. I’m not engaging you because so fat I agree with your reads and your push on ceejay.

[Aristophanes]

VC 2.5

Not_Mafia

(3): ceejayvinoya 206, Invisibility 234, Music Box 236

nonny

(1): Not_Mafia 202

ceejayvinoya

(1): hitogiroshi 208

Invisibility

(1): Kmd4390 193

Not Voting

(1): nonny

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Mod Notes:

No votes changed and no prods are due???

Well then.

[Kmd4390]

Is it bad that the game pace is making me want to just hammer? N_M does appear scummy and like he’s hiding behind meta but we are also crawling along slower than a snails pace.

Yes, that would be bad. He hasn't claimed.

Like look at KMD. He thinks not_mafia is a bad lynch today, and that invisibility is likely scum. Invisibility is voting for not_mafia, which should make not_mafia an even less appealing lynch from his point of view. But despite all that, it sure doesn't look like KMD is actually concerned about stopping the not_mafia lynch in favor of his invisibility lynch. Shouldn't he be?

Not_Mafia isn't the worst Lynch ever. He's pretty much a null read for me. The only thing that would make me lean town is that no one is standing in the way of his lynch, but bussing is a possibility. Just, I dont see anything to specifically say he is scum.

Oh, and KMD saying that he'd take you if it was you vs ceejay (but not why).

I don't blame you for forgetting I'm scumreading nonny I guess. I haven't mentioned it as much as I thought I had.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote nonny

[Aristophanes]

VC 2.5

Not_Mafia

(3): ceejayvinoya 206, Invisibility 234, Music Box 236

nonny

(2): Not_Mafia 202, Kmd4390 256

ceejayvinoya

(1): hitogiroshi 208

Not Voting

(1): nonny

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Mod Notes:

I need to get people more active...

[Invisibility]

hello
can somebody direct me to a case on nonny

[Kmd4390]

Am I seeing this correctly? A wagon Invisibility isn't blindly jumping on?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[Invisibility]

oh dang thassa a good post welp guys you me right in the headlights im the godfather gg town

[hitogoroshi]

Thanks to Ari having hyperlinks to the votes in the VC I can confirm that Music Box and Invisibility are the only players to actually give justifications for their votes while making them (and they were both one sentence "He's using his reputation to avoid explaining himself. and "n_m not doing anything is kinda scummy" respectively.)

Like okay here's a quick Mafia 101 lesson. If the prevailing winds are pointing at town (and they are more often than not, since most people are townies), scum don't need to "do" anything except let inertia do it's thing and be seen voting. So the town culture of just everyone voting their favorite scumread without justification and then we all flop around and randomly settle on it is exactly what scum want. The whole point of wanting vigorous in-thread debate and compromise is that, as a townie, I have different and malleable thoughts on each player, whereas the scum have binary and static views on players.

So in a game with real mafia players, you can take a listless day like this one and say, hmm, let's look at the indifferent players - the ones who are ON a wagon, but don't seem to care if it's being pushed or not. That's a pretty good scum tell, because town players should always have a lynch they want best, but (since, like we said, the prevailing winds hit town more often than not) they often don't actually care whether they're on the lynch wagon, and in fact would rather be off it in case the next day some insufferable dumbass says there's no way the wagon was all town and starts coloring names or whatever.

But clearly I can't use it in this game, because that's basically everybody here. I guess not_mafia voters get a sort of pass, because if you're voting not_mafia, a one-sentence case

is

responding to 100% of his posts. But even so, we really need everyone voting and everyone trying to

sell others

on their vote, because this horseshit is what the scum dream of doing and the rest of you are giving them cover to do it.

So sell me on your votes in your next posts. Like I said, not_mafia voters have a bit of a special time with this, so instead you can have the alternative assignment of making the case that this broader wagonflow still makes sense with not_mafia scum. Take this seriously because the red names are sitting and really hoping you don't.

Here's my greatest hits on ceejay:

BUT when things are this stalled out I think I want to just listen to my heart and my heart is saying ceejay. (Which sucks, because that would mean I was wrong on komala.) Like I intimated last post, ceejay apparently reading enough to complain about how dense the game is but ALSO not saying a single damn thing about the linear read is gross. And the fact that he responded to my question not with an answer but with an L-1 vote on my wagon - an unannounced L-1 at that - is pretty danger klaxons.

Trying to throw gasoline on the Oath wagon by saying that you can't understanding saying "there's a whole lot of nothing" rings tremendously insincere when you then pulled exactly the same thing. It looks an awful lot like you were using the "lot of content" as your reason to not post D1 and let Oath wagon sail through, and then D2 (when you can't get away from posting) you just decided to just switch to a relatively lazier way to catchup, forgetting your statement that you were doing a linear read.

[hitogoroshi]

also separate from my rant:

oh dang thassa a good post welp guys you me right in the headlights im the godfather gg town

What do you think KMDs alignment is? This feels like the kind of post you make on someone you're crossvoting with.

[hitogoroshi]

I was pretty salty last night, on a sober re-read I retract roughly 30% of my anger

that's it though

[nonny]

I was pretty salty last night, on a sober re-read I retract roughly 30% of my anger

that's it though

I feel you should have just done a “mic drop” instead.

[Music Box]

So sell me on your votes in your next posts. Like I said, not_mafia voters have a bit of a special time with this, so instead you can have the alternative assignment of making the case that this broader wagonflow still makes sense with not_mafia scum. Take this seriously because the red names are sitting and really hoping you don't.

That's the problem. It doesn't make sense unless there's bussing going on, either mutual or one way. Without bussing nonny has more possible partners, so do Cj and Invis. But they would've known the heat was going to be on NM in Day 2 and planned accordingly, so we can't rule anything out.

[Aristophanes]

VC 2.6

Not_Mafia

(3): ceejayvinoya 206, Invisibility 234, Music Box 236

nonny

(2): Not_Mafia 202, Kmd4390 256

ceejayvinoya

(1): hitogiroshi 208

Not Voting

(1): nonny

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Mod Notes:

Prodding ceejayvinoya and Not_Mafia

[nonny]

So sell me on your votes in your next posts. Like I said, not_mafia voters have a bit of a special time with this, so instead you can have the alternative assignment of making the case that this broader wagonflow still makes sense with not_mafia scum. Take this seriously because the red names are sitting and really hoping you don't.

That's the problem. It doesn't make sense unless there's bussing going on, either mutual or one way. Without bussing nonny has more possible partners, so do Cj and Invis. But they would've known the heat was going to be on NM in Day 2 and planned accordingly, so we can't rule anything out.

Can you explain what you mean more, please? Not sure I'm fully getting what you're trying to say.

[Not_Mafia]

please lynch nonny thanks

[Invisibility]

also separate from my rant:

oh dang thassa a good post welp guys you me right in the headlights im the godfather gg town

What do you think KMDs alignment is? This feels like the kind of post you make on someone you're crossvoting with.

your stuff about associatives with N_M took a dent to his towniness
he rests at lightly townie

btw n_m is still scum

[Music Box]

Can you explain what you mean more, please? Not sure I'm fully getting what you're trying to say.

I think I was half asleep when I wrote that. The "they" in the last sentence referred to the mafia. The gist of the whole thing is that mafia may have decided to sacrifice one of them to get the other read as town.

[Aristophanes]

So, I don't want to prod and replace, and I am out atm luckily so I have an excuse XD

If I have to replace I guess deadline will pause at 2 days.
*sigh*

[hitogoroshi]

I feel you should have just done a “mic drop” instead.

this is a sassy post from someone who has neither voted nor done the n_m alternate homework assignment

who is scum

your stuff about associatives with N_M took a dent to his towniness
he rests at lightly townie

btw n_m is still scum

I think KMD scum would probably mean n_m town, though. If my stuff about associatives moved the needle for on you KMD, wouldn't that also make you think n_m-scum is less likely?

also y'all it's ceejay and we can save ari the work of replacing

[Invisibility]

oh im confused about something then

[nonny]

I feel you should have just done a “mic drop” instead.

this is a sassy post from someone who has neither voted nor done the n_m alternate homework assignment

who is scum

Because I don't have any convincing points on n_m scum aside from what's already been pointed out, which stems from lack of any content and from being basically anti-town. RC was more scum lean than komala was so I'd lean towards n_m over ceejay from that too. I don't like grasping at straws and overall feel frustrated that that seems to be all there is right now. Feel like we need more information which seems more likely to come from a lynch then from actual posting given how the last several (real time) days have gone. I'm not voting because the only person I see worth voting right now is still at L-1 but I'm not quite sure enough to hammer.