Mini Theme 2022: Trapped! [Gameover]

[Irrelephant11]

Everyone vote where your reads take you, I guess. It's going to be a lot harder to coordinate a scum lynch at this rate.

swap feysal and kokichi on my list there

Maybe just lynch Pine idk

[Irrelephant11]

I'm not sure why people want to pick a number already. If we get a bad number we would run the risk of someone picking another and ending the day prematurely. Yeah, whoever did that would probably be lynched, and in the worst case scenario it could be a confused town player who did not know what they were doing.

These words are ON THIS VERY PAGE
???????????
@Pine

Maybe this was always meant to cover for scum-partner Pine, actually? "worst case scenario it's clueless town" - Pine has been playing clueless town most of the game... was this meant to get us to re-think Pine's alignment when he makes this mistake?

There’s no WIFOM there. The odds are super stacked against us - I don’t recall how to do mathematical combinations, but even without the presence of bad actors, our odds of success are <40%. With a bad guess down, our odds are down to 1/9 (I think). I’m not willing to reduce those odds further by letting someone I don’t trust (in this case all of you) sink our chances further. Case in point:

Choose: 1

idk this is mostly a pre-flip associative I guess (don't let this dictate tomorrow's lynch or anything, especially if I'm NK'd) but it's also useful to think on this for yourself before voting/not voting Pine

[Irrelephant11]

@everyone maybe it's actually useful to spread

some

votes, since that's the only way the "Fortunate" power comes into play?
But ugh it also makes it so easy for scum to coordinate any lynch they want

[Irrelephant11]

for the record before night starts
ofrhz had the most votes
followed by prof Fridays

Probably everyone lynch in those two + Pine?

[northsidegal]

pine why

[Pine]

Yeah fuck you. We've spent a week and a half with essentially no progress, dithering over minutiae. Something needed to give. You know why head counts for ending the day are a bad idea when a game is stuck in the doldrums? Scum don't want it to end until it's favorable to them. You were just TRing me for exactly what you're now giving me shit for, so excuse me if I take your approval, along with that of Friday and Chickadee, as tacit permission to proceed.

I grant you, I wasn't really considering day-end concerns, but rather with accomplishing the objective. With one bad number chosen, scum could end the day at will, and I'd rather be in control than let them. So. Let's talk end-of-day.

I still want Guilty Lion. I think I've made my case pretty strongly on him, and I think there's support for that lynch.

I will be voting for Guilty Lion

. I also think there's a solid case to be made for Kokichi, and a GL scumflip practically mandates that he go next. Given that order of operations, GL first. If there's not support for GL, I could compromise.

I'm currently TRing NSG, Prof Friday, Chickadee, and Feysal. I have no read to speak of on Enigma or ohfrz. I'm waffling on Mylo, and while I have no desire to push for Mylo's lynch, I wouldn't be sad to see it. Irrelephant was solid Town to me, but his reaction to the last page has caught me off-guard. It's probably just indignant Town still, but I can't discard the gut impression that I disrupted carefully-laid plans. I think that's everyone.

Voting GL, could be talked into a coalition against Kokichi.

[Pine]

pine why

I've said why. I'd do it again, though I probably ought to have consulted first. Sorry.

If it comes up good I'll stop.

[northsidegal]

still voting ofrhz

[northsidegal]

irrelephant please elaborate on the chickadee tr please

[Irrelephant11]

chickadee is a new townread - her frustration with being ignored re:the challenge seems genuine and towny

[Irrelephant11]

lol @Pine you don't get to end the day prematurely and then say "fuck you" when I get upset about it
I was townreading you for your push on Guilty and your frustration last game day. I'm certainly not townreading you for your insistence that "I'm busy so I can refuse to read the thread and do whatever I want and then say "fuck you" if anyone doesn't like it"

That's not pro-town play regardless of your alignment and I don't have time to figure out your alignment but I am as close as I have ever been to encouraging a policy lynch

Except we're at 8-3 so idk I'm trying to provide reads on as many players as possible before day end? I don't curse but you can bet I'm angrier than you

Good luck surviving tonight

[Pine]

lol @Pine you don't get to end the day prematurely and then say "fuck you" when I get upset about it
I was townreading you for your push on Guilty and your frustration last game day.

I'm certainly not townreading you for your insistence that "I'm busy so I can refuse to read the thread and do whatever I want and then say "fuck you" if anyone doesn't like it"

That's not pro-town play regardless of your alignment and I don't have time to figure out your alignment but I am as close as I have ever been to encouraging a policy lynch

Except we're at 8-3 so idk I'm trying to provide reads on as many players as possible before day end? I don't curse but you can bet I'm angrier than you

Good luck surviving tonight

The bolded is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. The complete 180 is confusing and suspicious.

[Pine]

The "fuck you" is for whining and acting outraged that a stalled day, in which nothing of consequence was being discussed, is ending. It was short-sighted, but hardly a big loss.

[Irrelephant11]

Sure, discussion was stalling. THIS SETUP MEANS IF WE DO NOT AGREE ON VOTES DURING THE DAY, SCUM GET A LYNCH
do you recognize that?
also your 180 from "I probably should have consulted. Sorry" to "It's a good thing the day ended!" is what's suspicious

Are you seriously scumreading me for being angry that you're getting in the way of town wincon in a completely stupid way?

The words you bolded were not meant to be what you're *trying* to say, but adding both game days together it's what you *effectively* have been saying. You've repeatedly appealed to your busyness at camp as a reason we should not scumread you for lack of activity and misunderstanding the rules. Then you did something that explicitly goes against what many players wanted AND ends the day before we've decided on a lynch. Then I got completely reasonably angry. Then you said "fuck you". So actually, pleeeeaaasseee do point out where I'm misrepping you. Can't wait to hear it.

By the way I'm V/LA on weekends, as are many players. I'm online for this choice of yours because this is precisely the time I was going to spend catching up and getting things moving again. That's why I'm angry. That's why this is undeniably scummy from you. That's why you don't get to pretend to have righteous anger.

[Irrelephant11]

I can't discard the gut impression that I disrupted carefully-laid plans.

what plans could there even be?
If I'm scum who wants to mislynch town you just made that incredibly easy

[Irrelephant11]

If it comes up good I'll stop.

ughhh this might be town

[Irrelephant11]

If it comes up good I'll stop.

ughhh this might be town

Eh on second thought this is really easy to say
If this comes up green Pine'll be ~null
If it comes up red he's certainly in my lynchpool

[GuiltyLion]

welp

I'm still probably voting ofrhz, I don't think there was a serious attempt to game solve from them today - or the game so far in general. just a push onto Prof Fridays for lynch

I don't think Pine is the move tonight though he will definitely need to be litigated after this

[GuiltyLion]

in which nothing of consequence was being discussed

quite a questionable claim here

[GuiltyLion]

So actually, pleeeeaaasseee do point out where I'm misrepping you. Can't wait to hear it.

also welcome to my world lmao

you're never going to hear it

[Irrelephant11]

Just found something

Just in case deadline is coming soon the short version is: chickadee and enigma have a seriously odd double-ISO
They both look scummy already and have the weirdest of interactions
I noticed because enigma keeps bringing up chick
Thinking TvS or SvS

Longer version with quotes coming soon, idk yet if this should factor into lynch - prolly not unless I can elaborate and some players can respond

[Irrelephant11]

So actually, pleeeeaaasseee do point out where I'm misrepping you. Can't wait to hear it.

also welcome to my world lmao

you're never going to hear it

lol sorry for internalizing some of his frustration with you, I should have done the opposite

[Kokichi Oma]

Lynch Pine tonight if this flips bad

[BTD6_maker]

There’s no WIFOM there. The odds are super stacked against us - I don’t recall how to do mathematical combinations, but even without the presence of bad actors, our odds of success are <40%. With a bad guess down, our odds are down to 1/9 (I think). I’m not willing to reduce those odds further by letting someone I don’t trust (in this case all of you) sink our chances further. Case in point:

Choose: 1

"This number is a

good

number! Choose correctly again and you will pass! Choose wrong and you will fail the challenge.

A new good number has been randomly chosen."

[Prof Fridays]

lol