Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

yeah tbh

[Nosferatu]

does it actually matter whether we lynch in gunsmiths or non gunsmiths first

[MariaR]

we know scum is in non gunsmiths we don't in gs we just assume

[Nosferatu]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

[Nosferatu]

so if we know there's 1 scum poisoner and there's 2 scum left, it would be a near statistical anomaly for the non-poisoner scum to be in gunsmiths regardless of whether or not scum has one.

[MariaR]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

This requires scum to have a gun IE gunsmith

[MariaR]

Besides we know scum has to be in non guns and poisoner is the more threatening role of w/e scum can have left

[Sakura Hana]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

This requires scum to have a gun IE gunsmith

Scum has a gun regardless of whether they are a gunsmith or not, the only exception would be a Scum doctor or Scum poisoner.
Town doesnt have a gun by default unless they are gunsmith, cop?, or vig.

[MariaR]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

This requires scum to have a gun IE gunsmith

Scum has a gun regardless of whether they are a gunsmith or not, the only exception would be a Scum doctor or Scum poisoner.
Town doesnt have a gun by default unless they are gunsmith, cop?, or vig.

I am. A dumbass. I forgot this

[Sakura Hana]

The main problem right now is that all gunsmiths are out, so scum can easily fake a gunsmith role regardless of whether they are one or not, the poisoner cant coz he will be found as gunless

[MariaR]

Does that apply to the few people that outted early.
Mmm but yeah I suppose I still think lynching in non guns is the correct play

[Sakura Hana]

Does that apply to the few people that outted early.
Mmm but yeah I suppose I still think lynching in non guns is the correct play

Yes, because poisoner is in non guns and they increase Scum KPN even if by 0.5.

[Sakura Hana]

Unless you have reasons to think scum has a doctor (which would be very bad design against town that has a lot of gunsmiths) on top of the poisoner, once the poisoner is lynched all the non guns become kinda inno.

[MariaR]

I just think it's prof at this point I'm not really scumreading any other non gun person that hard like townread from spiffy is going down from his d1 play but rly not enough to say yeah he's scum
VOTE: Prof

L-1
Scum will start to kill non kill gunsmiths after this because everyone will basically be clear so in the gunsmiths we have
Moment Kokichi Wisdom Nos Purr
in that pool I'd say Nos and Kokichi are my 2 picks with purr being 3rd
Mostly because I tr moment and Wisdom
Purr is null
Nos and Kokichi can both flip scum but really just not touching moment and Wisdom should be an auto win

[MariaR]

Who do you think is scum in gunsmiths atm Sakura? Since you're here

[Sakura Hana]

Kokichi being the first one to find Wisdom had a gun leads to his role being more credible UNLESS he's scum gunsmith, and even then the way he handled the guilty without flat out saying "wisdom has a gun" makes me think he's town, do you disagree with that logic?

[Sakura Hana]

I've said before that i've kinda had a gut scumread on purr.
He feels... different than minuet, but that's about it.

[MariaR]

Kokichi's push and logic make a lot of sense to me he just rubbed me the wrong way with him going. "That was a reaction" when he tried to push me after the guilty ended. I don't really believe it because he doesn't really ever reaction test me. He just pushes me. Him pushing wisdom D1 because he has a gun makes sense but I don't really see why it's credible? Like yes I see the logic and it makes sense but if we assume scum gunsmith (are we?) then I see that line easily. If it's not scum gunsmith then yeah but we don't really know that answer.
Pedit: Purr just doing whatever the fuck he wants is nai and jaring like "let's lynch town again" etc but idk if purr kills Nancy because Purr would prob keep nancy around just cause.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really believe it because he doesn't really ever reaction test me.

Citation Needed, coz my memory sux.
I for one do NOT remember him reaction testing you, but i dont trust my memory on that one.

OTOH: Yes it's possible scum doesnt have a gunsmith, im busy right now so i cant neither ISO kokichi or look at the probabilities of scum gunsmith existing tho. I do promise ill take it in mind.

[Sakura Hana]

I for one do NOT remember him reaction testing you

Addenum: On other games.

[MariaR]

he reaction tested me this game in his own words
After the guilty on me went away and people were still on the "ehhh maybe lynch maria" train he said "yeah I could vote Maria" and after I called him out for shifting from a tr on me to a "I could vote her" look he called it a reaction test because I found it blatantly scummy. He never said what that reaction test did or what the purpose of it was for. Just that it was a reaction test. If he put more thought into saying why he did it or the result I could maybe believe it but rn it just looked like a way to backtrack and save his own ass

[Prof Fridays]

I would request some last words before I'm lynched.

[MariaR]

Give us a giant reads list with pretty colors and I might unvote you <3

[Sakura Hana]

he reaction tested me this game in his own words

I am aware of that much, the addenum was to avoid the misunderstanding that i meant in other games xD

[MariaR]

Forgive me it's 11pm and I am a very tired Maria >_>