Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[armlx]

I'm liking this vote the best.

Vote Farside

Labelling Lowell's vote as OMGUS? Trying to push an "easy" lynch much?

[Lowell]

I do too, actually. I'm willing to let Andy off the hook for being dumb.

unvote, vote farside

[dahill1]

Current Vote Count

(4) Armlx: (DGB, Korlash, Pooky, Cavebear)
(3) Andycyca: (Xtoxm, Erg0, Kabenon)
(3) Lowell: (Andycyca, Mneme, Farside)
(2) Farside: (Armlx, Lowell)
(1) Xtoxm: (Muerrto)
(1) Macavenger: (Ooba)
(1) Ooba: (Macavenger)
(3) Not voting: (Roland, Kison, Elvis Knits)

18 players alive, means 10 votes to lynch.

[armlx]

Farside's voting history has been pretty unstellar so far as well, mainly how fast it jumps. Its pretty insane even for this game.

[Muerrto]

So has Andy's...

and Lowells...

How'd you come around to farside?

He's even voting a dying wagon. If he's scum(cult) he's doing a bad job of it. Should've jumped on the other more stronger wagons. Vote Stands and FoS the people trying to shift it.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Erg0 raises an interesting point about the Lowell wagon here. Inspired by that along with my impression that Andy hadn't been contributing anything to the game, I went back and did a little lurker hunting. Some notes:

Roland hasn't said anything of any substance since April 18, a week and a half ago. He popped in for a "this is fast, I'm reading" post once since then. Even at the beginning when he was posting, there wasn't much substance.

Mod:

please prod/replace/something rolandofthewhite.

Andycyca has in fact contributed essentially nothing, just pops in to vote every now and then. Also one "damn why are we lynching town" post. Probably worth wagoning.

Pooky has been extremely quiet since replacing in, only popping in for essentially reasonless votes twice. My confidence in Mizzy's sincerity is dropping quickly.

ooba is an interesting one. He isn't really lurking, at least not on the same level as the others - I just kind of noticed this as I was reading posts by player looking for possible lurkers. However, his contributions have mainly been theory, especially encouraging use of the multiple lynch bit. The lynch limit was unfair, we should never go to night, etc. Very gung ho to get the town to lynch lots. But... his minimal contributions other than spouting off about that theory have been the type to slow down the town's lynching. He voted me back before I claimed (4/18), and hasn't done

anything

with his vote since then. His only comment of any substance on a wagon was encouraging us not to lynch jedi.

So, talking mostly about theory, appearing to push the town into quick lynches but actually trying to slow them if anything, and not tying himself to any wagons to be looked at later. Probably the most amazingly scummy package I've seen in a while.

Vote: ooba

Is there much of a possibility of townies lurking to try to avoid CL attention? I haven't really given much thought to how I would play as a recruitable, since I'm not. The idea just sort of popped into my head as I was studying lurkers, and makes me not want to just start arbitrarily lynching them.

This is a good post. However, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to try to rally support for a new wagon right now though, even if I agree that Ooba seems more suspicious than most. His posts as of late are appalling. So appalling, in fact, that I'd vote him, except for what I'm about to write. I'd be happy to vote him later, though.

I believe it would be a good idea to not have several wagons of 3-4 votes, since that is just a waste of time. If the people on two of the wagons jumped to a third, we could put someone at L-2 or L-1, get a claim, and do the same with the other wagons (and pretty quickly, too); and then, hopefully with time to spare, make a decision on who the two lynches should be.

Of course, that would mean that we would all have to *gasp* cooperate, which can be hard. I think we can do it, though.

We're down to two lynches. We have more than two wagons. Presumably, this means that all or most of us have one person we really want to lynch ahead of all others. Obviously, we can't satisfy everyone.
I assume that people are reluctant to change wagons, since they perceive that this would decrease the chance of their chosen target getting lynched.
What I'm proposing is that we gather more information about, IE get a claim from, some of these targets, so that we all can make a more informed decision on who to lynch.
The way to do this, I believe, is to recklessly abandon your own wagon in favor of the largest one. We then get that wagon up to L-2 or so; enough for the person to claim. We then unvote, and go for the second largest wagon etc. After a certain amount of time (I'm thinking Sunday or Monday, if we have one week until deadline) we stop this, look over our claims, and hopefully will be able to decide on two people to lynch.

What, then, do we do if someone refuses to cooperate? One option is to just lynch them right away. Someone refusing to claim is suspicious. I'd argue that the better option would be to leave them for a maximum of 24 hours, and then unvote anyway; if they didn't claim for the reason of not being around, they bloody well should claim as soon as they get back; and if they don't, well, we'll just have to take that into consideration when we decide who to lynch.

The dangers of doing this is that we will be short of time. Ten votes to lynch could be hard to do. There's also the risk of stupid people not reading and deciding to hammer people who has claimed. However, looking at the vote count right now, I think there is a very real danger that we won't reach an agreement on who to lynch

anyway

.

Thoughts on this? Are people willing to get on a wagon they might not approve of if it means getting people on their wagon in return? (If so, don't just say so - get on a bigger wagon.)

Either way, we'd better reach a consensus fast. Stalling = very bad.

[kabenon007]

But the fact that you've brought this plan to the forefront now deadens some of its effectiveness. It would have been better to just suggest that we all go for one wagon, rather than going so indepth into how it works and why it would work. I don't care to explain myself further as to why, anyone who is smart can figure it out. But it is a good plan.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

[Lowell]

But the fact that you've brought this plan to the forefront now deadens some of its effectiveness. It would have been better to just suggest that we all go for one wagon, rather than going so indepth into how it works and why it would work. I don't care to explain myself further as to why, anyone who is smart can figure it out. But it is a good plan.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

What plan are you talking about?

[Macavenger]

We have 7 days to get 2 lynches in. At the pace this game has been moving, I don't see that as a big challenge, honestly.

I would very much like to see ooba looked at more, but I would be willing to support an andy wagon also. I don't care for the lowell, farside, or armlx wagons at the moment.

[Muerrto]

So far a couple people on the Lowell wagon are the ones I'm already suspecting...

Andy, Kabenon

And Kabenon just jumped FROM Andy to Lowell, the wagon Andy is currently on...

So you're ok with lynching him but now you're agreeing on the next lynch target?

[kabenon007]

Yep. It's called bussing.

[kabenon007]

Also, I don't think Armlx is scum. So I voted for the only other logical choice.

[farside22]

Farside's voting history has been pretty unstellar so far as well, mainly how fast it jumps. Its pretty insane even for this game.

pot this is kettle how are you doing?

[Muerrto]

Yep. It's called bussing.

I hope that's a joke. With 4 different cults, the only 'bussing' could be a recruit bussing his recruiter or vice versa and with the amount of recruits/recruiters/town we have that is an extremely small possibility. That's your second far fetched claim.

[armlx]

Farside's voting history has been pretty unstellar so far as well, mainly how fast it jumps. Its pretty insane even for this game.

pot this is kettle how are you doing?

My Votes: TSN, DoS, Jedi, You.

1 townie who was acting fairly scummy, 1 person who claimed survivorunder pressure, 1 claimed SK who has no reason to kill cult leaders which is the only thing he is useful for.

You: TSN, Jedi, Wayne, Mizzy, etc....

Your vote changes between lynches with each change of popular opinion.

[kabenon007]

And you completely ignore my second post. Interesting.

[Muerrto]

You said also, and you already had said bussing, yet you didn't retract in the second post or your more recent one. Also interesting.

Can you explain how it could possibly be bussing and much more importantly, how you would know?

[Erg0]

Who are you talking to? armlx?

[Muerrto]

I was assuming he was responding to me since Armlx is talking to Farside.

[Erg0]

That would make more sense, I suppose.

[kabenon007]

Oh please Muertto. You are just trying to find things to attack people for now. You answered how it could be bussing in your post against me already, why ask it if you already know the answer?

And did I say I know? No, I said that it was called bussing. That is what it could be. What's wrong with that? It could be that, couldn't it?

[Muerrto]

Oh please Muertto. You are just trying to find things to attack people for now. You answered how it could be bussing in your post against me already, why ask it if you already know the answer?

And did I say I know? No, I said that it was called bussing. That is what it could be. What's wrong with that? It could be that, couldn't it?

Appeal to emotion much? Trying to find things to attack people? Um..I've been the one trying to slow the lynches and get people to discuss things. With this last post I definitely feel confident

Unvote, Vote: Kabenon

[ooba]

I'm sorry i haven't posted at all after the first few days of the game - I've had problems with my keyboard and couldn't type much with an Onscreen one - re-reading the game right now - expect a substantial post in 45 min ..

[DrippingGoofball]

Armlx is a recruiter. Let's lynch him.

[mneme]

unvote
vote: armlx

Ok, DGB. Let's see what you got.