Mini Normal 2024 - Endgame

[Creature]

I think kop is putting in effort.

Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.

How are my reads super weird considering I don't think I've given any reads?

Before a Kop lynch goes through is there any chance this is town?

Yes, a fair chance. Kop's sorta weird to read.

[Creature]

Irrelephant, why should I townread you?

Because I’m town

Why ask me this?

@creature let me rephrase

Why ask ME this?

because I felt like.

You were there and wanted to see how you would react.

[Creature]

I'm more on Kop because him fluffing yeah.

[Nauci]

Tchill

How does Lalendra and kop stack up for you?

[Tchill13]

Bbt is a good player. It's alarming to me that not only does he want me lynched but also ddl. My only STRONG TR. I TR nauci just not as much.

Bbt hasn't really poked and prodded too much. Not trying to solve from what I can tell. Blames his play on lack of time so he's already making excuses.

He obviously understands how my play this day can come from town. He played in a similar way as scum d1 last game (he wouldn't have if he didn't believe it could come from town or he'd stick out as scum).

He wants to lynch tchill (an active, content generating player who disagrees with him) and kop (fluff).he says that anyway.

We've already gathered he says a lot of things.

[Nauci]

Man the current wagons are a mess

I don't like any of them

[Tchill13]

Tchill

How does Lalendra and kop stack up for you?

Based off familiarity with lalendra and no familiarity with kop I'd be willing to say there's more of a chance lalendra flips scum.

Lalendra hasn't read too much into anything yet. You can argue the scum slip. That comes off as a reason to vote me though. Not necessarily something she's looking too much into. Which she does a lot early game as town.

Kop is all fluff. Foot in mouth, circular conversation. I've been wrong about lalendra and she's hard to read. I'd recommend personally a night action be used on lalendra and mumble. We lynch kop or Bbt today.

[Creature]

but also ddl. My only STRONG TR.

???

[Nauci]

BBT you make no sense to me

You don't know who the 3rd scum is but we should lynch tchill?

[Tchill13]

but also ddl. My only STRONG TR.

???

Look man my reads are shit early. I'm sticking by it but I could very well be wrong.

[Tchill13]

We need to lynch kop today. Half the game says he is scum.

[Creature]

VOTE: Kop

[Creature]

How long do we have?

[Tchill13]

Before we lynch kop people need to decide who's more likely to be town. Mumble or lalendra. Should be very clear who each player thinks is more likely to be town once kop flips scum.

[Nauci]

I still don’t like the progression on his Kop read but Tchill doubling down on refusing to share how he’s coming to his conclusions is a Towntell imo. I’ll never understand the type of player who thinks holding back all their opinions is a good thing, but I know that they exist.

Kop vs Tchill wagons are worth thinking about too. Kop’s wagon was a lot easier to get votes on, while people actively avoided the Tchill wagon and the only ones who followed me are players that Tchill is calling to be lynched. Either Tchill is Town to that many people or scum are actively avoiding be wagon. I think they would actively avoid the wagon for one of two reasons: Tchill is scum, or Tchill is Town actively pushing Townies and distracting away from scum. I’m leaning towards the latter.

What’s really important to note is that Irrelephant had Tchill as his biggest scumread but preferred the Kop wagon because it was larger. Now he’s completely abandoned the Kop wagon in favor of an NSG vanity wagon. I’m not quite sure why scum leaves the Kop wagon in this scenario but he has actively avoided the Tchill wagon for reasons that don’t line up with how he’s actually played. Irrelephant is now my biggest scumread.

VOTE: Irrelephant

@BBT
@Nauci

Thoughts from you two on this?

Fom my perspective, it feels more like A: people aren't voting tchill because we lean town on him and/or scum don't want to remove a player distracting people from them, and B: Irrelephant is town-lean for me

because

of the scattered pressure and paranoia. Unless his entire suspect pool avoided scum carefully, I'd have expected scumrelephant to campaign for the definite lynch on not-scum versus continuously be paranoid about who's being scummy. The "oh crap I just remembered people say scum NSG lurks and she hasn't post in days so I'm voting here now" bit was very town, IMO.

[Nauci]

That's a pretty good post Alch and I think I can get on board with that. Voting Irrelepant doesn't interest me Today though - how about DDL?

I just don't feel good about this slot and especially the continuous alch sheeping but I haven't formulated the thought processes for this gut feel

[Alchemist21]

@BBT
@Nauci

Thoughts from you two on this?

Why appeal to these two players?

Because I like BBT and because Nauci has some experience with you.

[Tchill13]

Alchemist what do you think about BBT's play regardless of how much you like him? You think it's odd he made an excuse when I brought up his play style this game?

[Irrelephant11]

the continuous alch sheeping

Wait is this a thing? I think I liked BBT and Alchemist for similar reasons so if BBT is just an alchemist copycat that would be worrying

@alchemist good reasons

[Nauci]

Tchill

How does Lalendra and kop stack up for you?

Based off familiarity with lalendra and no familiarity with kop I'd be willing to say there's more of a chance lalendra flips scum.

Lalendra hasn't read too much into anything yet. You can argue the scum slip. That comes off as a reason to vote me though. Not necessarily something she's looking too much into. Which she does a lot early game as town.

Kop is all fluff. Foot in mouth, circular conversation. I've been wrong about lalendra and she's hard to read. I'd recommend personally a night action be used on lalendra and mumble. We lynch kop or Bbt today.

Personally I lean more towards a Lalendra wagon than Kop; I think Kop has contributed much more sortable thoughts and has a higher chance of contributing real content

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist what do you think about BBT's play regardless of how much you like him? You think it's odd he made an excuse when I brought up his play style this game?

I remember him being fairly active as both alignments so if he says he’s busy I believe it.

[Tchill13]

It's not about the chance to contribute. It's about what kop had contributed vs what lalendra has.

It's both scum piles of crap. BUT kops looks more like content for the sake of content. Words with no meaning. Then he has just disappeared when pressure was applied.

Lalendra is an odd player. Very easy to be mislynched even when she provides content. So kop get the nod imo.

[Kop]

I can't understand why you wouldn't want to lynch someone who's actually contributing. It's irrelevant to whether you've made a hundred posts or 10 you both have the same chance of flipping scum on day one to anyone who doesn't know your alignment. You could easily be scum dictating and trying to lead town just by contributing a lot.

[Tchill13]

Alchemist what do you think about BBT's play regardless of how much you like him? You think it's odd he made an excuse when I brought up his play style this game?

I remember him being fairly active as both alignments so if he says he’s busy I believe it.

Yeah but scum are the first to make excuses for their play. Also you didn't touch on his play. Just the excuse. I'm more worried about his content this far and your thoughts of it.

[Irrelephant11]

the continuous alch sheeping

Wait is this a thing? I think I liked BBT and Alchemist for similar reasons so if BBT is just an alchemist copycat that would be worrying

Not actually super seeing this, on re-read. Like yeah they've voted together some and had similar reads but it doesn't seem like one is following the other. I've mostly felt like I've already sorted them both as town though so let me know if I'm missing something

I think probably PRs should just follow their gut so scum don't know what they'll do