mini normal 2027: advice mafia (endgrame)

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Hi I'm the jailkeeper enabler

You should use that jailkeeper on me to keep me alive until there's one scum left thank you in advance

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In case I have to explain

I'm dying n1 claim or not but the jailkeeper should make the educated decision about whether trying to outplay is worth gambling your PR.

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Hi my favourite person on MS

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(except maybe postie)

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At worst 2nd <3

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Texcat did texcat things

She gets pled if she lurks if she plays she doesnt

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I'm just gonna jump the shark

Wh4t pinky promise I'm town cross heart swear to die whatever

Could I do this as scum? Yeah. I wouldn't though. Not worth it.

Can we be a team for once assuming you're town?

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And I have confirmed knowledge of Jk so preumably I can live into the game

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Why would you doubt the claim?

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Like I have no problem saying protect me you dumbfucks so I find questioning the claim a little strange.

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So... If you doubt the claim, what alignment do you think I am and why did I make the claim when I did?

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Curious for the people jumping Saudade, how was him declaring himself town so different from me doing so?

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VOTE: havo

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I believe that you found it very forced and I expected it to get voted the moment I saw it. I don't necessarily think it's scum though and I'm not irate enough right now to say fuck it policy him for voting me.

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townreading Saudade, Completely truthworthy, maybe Wh4t but i acknowledge that I tend to give that slot a freebie townread unless it does something to get rid of it.

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I wish you good luck on your date Wh4t

this still confuses me

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Umm

Maybe IAI is scum?

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VOTE: IAI

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FA have you played with RC before?

Yes I have. I find him a pretty a chaotic player and generally he does play anti-town if I remember correctly - as well as wild ass claims. That was years ago though so my experience is pretty irrelevant. I doubt that his play is going to remain utterly constant over that time.

He is almost always N1 NK or D1 mislynch. If the claim is legit then is it not optimal to claim it when you are someone who is very paranoid about being killed N1? You coming in with such certainty about the claim being false is slightly worrying. The JK doesn't have to protect him but he could and that WIFOM could be enough to keep RC from being targeted.

Again, what town mindset/goal comes from claiming that role. I cant think of a single pro town reason. If he pulled that role it would absolutely be anti-town to claim like that. Further, I cannot think of a town gambit (like drawing the NK) that would work with that claim.

Nothing of that claim comes from a town mindset IMHO. There is a LOT there that I can see coming from a scum mindset.

I disagree with your CT read completely, rushing out of RVS is not AI and in fact scum would most likely want to look proactive to get towncred.

Most of his posts feel like posturing more than anything, like why would someone genuinely believe that players will post links to games for you instead of you doing the work yourself? It reads as LAMIST busy work to me.

If all he did was move on from RVS then it would be totally neutral. What has he done that is posturing other than asking for links? Sure, asking for links is dumb and the other questions are pretty weak but questions generate content. Look at what we are doing now.

So far IAI and CT are scumreads for me.
Null on pretty much everyone else but I want to believe RC is town.

VOTE: IAI

You avoided my question to you and you seem to have only said things that you think make me scummy but then null read me. Why?

So you acknowledge I have a history of doing stuff you feel is wild/anti-town (your words: I disagree) and you vote me for doing something that's... wild/anti-town

I will eat the bullet tonight with incredible consistency, me not claiming would have been awful for town. This isn't even a gambit it's just the objectively correct play.

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Historically my odds of surviving any given night phase as town are probably around 50% at best.

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Let's just PL fa_q2 because if they're town they're a useless turd and should probably die anyway their posting makes me want to vomit.

VOTE: fa_q2

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Like he knows full well that I'm kill bait if he's pulling this shit he's pulling it as an attempt to knock me down a peg or something similarly stupid

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like it looks to an uninformed observer like i'm being the aggressive one but fa_q2 isn't stupid enough to sit there and say 'rc is doing rc things therefore rc is scum'
that vote is sheer i want to pick a fight with RC because his playstyle is annoying me right now and lord it over him that I'm arguing that his play is

so stupid

because obviously he only has

1/10

odds of flipping scum

i'm not going to bother dealing with it as passive aggressively or pretend to take the high ground, just wanna get rid of it

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if I get lynched town deserve what's coming to them.

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I called IAI scum and he vanished from thread.

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What you said something along the lines of inflaming suspicion on me

Do you really think scum me is worried about getting lynched?

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thank you for confirming me as town.

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VOTE: texcat

doesn't want me to be confirmed town

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What's your mom's number

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Once upon a time I basically never got mislynched

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This gamestate heavily favours scum right now

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VOTE: Wh4t

really wish you wern'et scum.

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Sorry y'all but I'm about as apathetic towards this thread as humanly possible after 14 pages and you deserve someone that is going to be invested instead of just lurk through the game.

Mod, requesting replacement.

Best of luck to everyone here.

Sorry to see you go.

I came here to make this exact post

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can we lynch scum what please

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my ability to deal with scum what is very minimal
need fast remove so I don't lose my sanity with someone who always fking rolls scum

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actually maybe not

tbh the only thing im actually scumreading is that response but idk if it's scum indicative

maybe I should have more faith in my initial scumread though

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Texcat you didn't answer my question you scumfuck

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Yeah I actually refuse to play with towns like this, this game isn't worth it.

replace me

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I'll stay if you really want me to but if you're not going to be able to actually play this game I have no other reason to stay.

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i picked the wrong week to quit smoking

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oh I don't smoke

it was an airplane reference

I picked the wrong weekend to quit sniffin' glue

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you do it's one of the funniest movies ever made

btw this IAI wagon is borderline gamethrowing levels of bad

even if he's scum wait for the replacement.

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Also sorry to hear that texcat.

Dunno

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I think that's all our townreads overlapping

I'll just assume that you as scum wouldn't go out of your way to make me stay in a game that I wasn't enjoying so I'll call you town
CT town
Horrordude -> HWS town
RC town
townreading Saudade but meh

scumreads on Havo and Wh4t

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Texcat has 1/2 % points above average to be town
DT I'm also townreading

that's poe if all of the above are right, not sure abotu texcat

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Garmr
IAI
Wh4t
Frederick
Havo
FA_Q2

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I had town pings on horror before the replace out

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wh4t/havo are my immediate two pings, I want to establish them together, if they do make sense as scum together I'll start looking for a third

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that's not top to bottom
it's simple the people i'm not townreading.

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i'm indecisive about havo

more confidnet in what scum

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i also don't know if that iso really looks scum v scum

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Wh4t and CT's isos point to them being scum together but I dno't really scumread CT independently

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Aww I'm sorry Skygazer. Internet hugs and all that. if you need someone to talk to you can message me

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i like snark

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gonna guess havo is town from associatives and that scum is Wh4t/CT/+1

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garmr/ct/wh4t first guess but obviously that's assuming that the two null slots are both town

when i get a read on them it'll be a lot easier to clean this up

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havo/IAI are both kinda viable substitutions for CT in particular off the top of my head

lemme check itout

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Garmr/Wh4T/IAI feeling pretty spicy

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heavily heavily heavily leaning towards Wh4t/IAI at the very least and Garmr slots in very neatly on the back end.

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VOTE: Wh4t

really wish you wern'et scum.

I was wondering when you were going to do that RC. It took you longer than usual It's ok I still <3 you.

VOTE: IAI

also it makes so much sense for scum wh4t to blow me off then vote her buddy to look townie here

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I think IAI is decently +equity scum

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not literally impossible but I don't get svs vibes from anything else and it's definitely -equity scum

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sry bro i guess i'm just bad at the game

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more wh4t votes please thanks.

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I can read wh4t with 100% certainty, I cannot read either of the others with 100% certainty and we're lynching the one that I can lynch with 100% certainty

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Also the lynch order would be Wh4t -> IAI -> Garmr so not happening

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the way you talk to me scares me

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i'm not casing you because you're third on my priority list

i've already generally explained my feelings about IAI I think (or did I just naked vote there and say sheep me u dumb peasants) and I've sort of communicated how I feel on wh4t I think?

tbh I think I've just called people scum this game, it's been great

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Let's give thomas a nice welcome lynch!

RC i'll take 2nd <3. Thoughts on Saudade?

also no response whatsoever to my hardclaiming town, no I am also town let's fucking do this type deal, just meh.

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this particular thing is not a meta thing ftr

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you've been locked in there forever and you just can't say goodbye.

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i'm seriously considering voting garmr first because 430 is like, nearly always scum

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mostly due to phrasing stuff that I won't be able to articulate in a way that's going to do anyone any favours
but there's a level of restraint that makes it feel fake and planned out, really don't think the word thumb is used by town garmr in this context.
I fundamentally think he'd make the same point or similiar point very differently if he was town.

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I wonder how confident I am that IAI is the third

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You ask it as a question and not an accusation and not in terms of anyone's alignments

the fact that she's been buddying me isn't really in question, the question is why

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because wh4t is scum

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gnite

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i can't sleep either

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it's something that would consistently bother me but that I actuall think leans towards town more than scum

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ok sure

VOTE: Garmr

also I'm not -doing- anything.

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I think FA_Q2 has a lot of untapped scum potential

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me

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VOTE: Garmr

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hi sick as a dog i'm radiantcowbells

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wh4t is a huge jerk who goes out of his way to be mean to me and it makes me sad sometimes

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wh4t is a he you dolt

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also every time I see your avatar i think it's crag hack and i'm disappointed when i remember it's not

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RC how can you town read Doubting Thomas I don't care your scum reading me but how can you be that bad to town read doubting thomas?

"i don't care about being scumread so i'm definitely not deflecting or anything but btw this person is scummier than me"

agree w/ RC tho and like a wh4t scum flip here will solve like most of the puzzle we've been workin on

like RC is 100% town and is 100% confident in his wh4t read so

How can one be deflecting when a case hasn't been laid.

i mean RC has laid out his reads and ur actively trying to push suspicion onto someone else instead so

Are you trying to suckle on RC's thumb? It's pretty obvious that I been pushing a doubting thomas as scum and been trying to form a wagon. Why not try to convince Rc? That being said your interactions with rc have me worried it seems like you are trying to buddy up with him.

tor what are your thoughts on this bad boy

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RC how can you town read Doubting Thomas I don't care your scum reading me but how can you be that bad to town read doubting thomas?

"i don't care about being scumread so i'm definitely not deflecting or anything but btw this person is scummier than me"

agree w/ RC tho and like a wh4t scum flip here will solve like most of the puzzle we've been workin on

like RC is 100% town and is 100% confident in his wh4t read so

How can one be deflecting when a case hasn't been laid.

i mean RC has laid out his reads and ur actively trying to push suspicion onto someone else instead so

Are you trying to suckle on RC's thumb? It's pretty obvious that I been pushing a doubting thomas as scum and been trying to form a wagon. Why not try to convince Rc? That being said your interactions with rc have me worried it seems like you are trying to buddy up with him.

tor what are your thoughts on this bad boy

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that is a fact, besides me who is secretly a girl masquerading as a guy because people respond poorly to girls who try to be assertive and shit

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people only respond poorly to me because they have a bunch of preconceived notions about me fed to them by a bunch of people who have never won a scum game over me and to whom no approach to my scum game would ever net a win

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oh okay so you respond well to me when I'm a guy but as SOON AS I SAY i'm a girl you'e telling me to leave my bullshit out of games, okay.

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quack quack motherfucker

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And I have confirmed knowledge of Jk so preumably I can live into the game

You're stupid, you're in the NRG and aren't aware of the possibility of enabler without the accompanying role?

I saw no point in telling scum that. Regardless my assessment on Schadd_'s personality is that there's a very low rate of enabler w/o accompanying role and if that's the case then at least my death doesn't mean that much.

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Also I hard caught the scumteam this game, you all are free to sheep me or lsoe.

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wh4t do you remember how every time we do this I tell you in postgame if you're town i'm gonna need you to interact with me so that I can read you and then you didn't really interact with me this game

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like straight up

100% of the time TW/Garmr

and very high probability of FA_Q2 for third slot.

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g... gawd I love openwolfing

I see scumminess :>

No way to respond to that except to
VOTE: the worst

bad texcat

or not rly

like I'll lynch TW or I'll lynch Garmr, idc, but town needs to organize on one wagon or the bad townies (which this game has many) and the scum will force a wagon on tow.n

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pretty sure I don't 'look like town' this game, this is probably one of the scummier games I've ever played in a big picture not understanding RC meta sense.

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@sky what are your thoughts on tw's entrance

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if my phone wasn't dead I was gonna take a picture with my pants on my head

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why not texcat? texcat is pretty lynchbaity given that she's basically a 0 poster and isn't going to put up much resistance so I'm not sure why you think he'd be more likely to go somewhere with 1 additional vote but less future momentum

you're also kind of calling him town because of how poor his performance is but given that he quite possibly replaced into a scum slot being linked to another scum slot because of past actions I would imagine he'd be a little weak

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i also don't buy him townreading me outright, but that's an entire other story.

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my other idea for how to play this game is to lynch the worst, and if he flips town speedlynch wh4t because both myself and torana wouldn't be wrong about scumreading him.

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i think 1/2 of you are scum but not both

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have you seen the godfather?

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you don't even think to call me godfather.

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being invested makes you hate mafia. it's better to be just another useless headcount who sometimes makes it to late game.

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nah

I was assuming it in terms of how I interacted with others.

i have no special knoweldge that a JK exists except that I know Schadd isn't the type to make a troll enabler

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everyone knew what I meant

just nightkill me FA, JK is going to jerk off and target someone else because I annoyed them and your team will still win. towns are bad.

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i mean there is a pretty large amount of buddying so calling it out seems kinda pointless

learning to scumhunt means following along with the people who are good at scumhunting and learning from them, or at least that's what it used to mean.

now it means you insist that you're already as good at the game as you need to be no matter how poor you perform and to get salty at anyone who implies that because they're more consistently good than you they should listen to your reads

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Meh I don't think it's implausible that skygazer went out of her way to drag me back into the game as scum even though I think that's a pretty shifty thing to do in this context

I should seriously evaluate her interactions with my scumtenders

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UNVOTE:

Garmr if you're the town in my scumpool you're still wrong on DT.

Talk with me work with me on sorting the rest of my scum slots and you don't go today and I'll figure it out later in the game if you're town. Deal?

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ftr my reasons for scumreading garmr are the worst of my scumpool

it was kind of lazy of me to agree to go there and I don't feel like being lazy right now.

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like regardless
this game is mostly solved via poe already

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starting ground:

RC is town
Horrordude and by extension their replacement (HWS) are town
DT is town
Saudade is town
Havo (surprise!) is town

CT is very probably town

Texcat can have a few % points above rand town

Gamma emerald, we'll see

Garm is slightly below rand

Skygazer is somewhere between icky and slightly below rand

FA_Q2 is icky

Duck/Wh4t contains exactly 1 scum and is probably duck

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now let's analyze the gamestate

that is 3 people i'm heavily townreading on garmr plus myself

do I really believe that scum is still trying to form a counterwagon to scum garmr

the answer is no. I think that there would definitely be scum on the wagon if they're flipping scum.
More up in the air if garmr is town. that incriminates skygazer imo regardless because she'd kinda want to be there while her team would obviously avoid it

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associatives wise there actually are a lot of bad associatives pointing to the entire 5 block of
{Garmr/Skygazer/TW/FA_Q2/Wh4t} and if I throw in currently null gamma I'd be willing to say 70% of the time that's a game win. Which I'm pretty happy with

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technically we'd be able to get a +1 lynch on top of that if we lynch scum in TW/Wh4t before we lynch town

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aight

VOTE: TW

fuck you you furry brat

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also I retract my original claim

I'm an odd-night cop, even-night psychologist

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well one of us has to be scum then

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wait

you literally claimed scum

traitor is a scum role

VOTE: Garmr[/uv]

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HOW THE FUCK DID I GET SO FUCKING GOOD AT THIS GAME

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ACTUALLY EFF IT

VOTE: FA_Q2

you die now you chinsy motherfucker

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RC: Let me have your attention for a moment! So you're talking about what? You're talking about...(puts out his cigarette)...bitching about that lynch you shot, some son of a bitch that wasn't playing towny enough, some town that doesn't want what you're selling, PR you're trying to leash. Let's talk about something important. Are they all here?
Schadd_: All but one.
RC: Well, I'm going anyway. Let's talk about something important! (to DT) Put that vote down!! Votes are for scumhunters only. (DT scoffs) Do you think I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from up top. I'm here from 45 thousand posts. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's DoubtingThomas?
DoubtingThomas: Yeah.
RC: You call yourself a scumhunter, you son of a bitch?
Wh4t: I don't have to listen to this shit.
RC: You certainly don't pal. 'Cause the good news is -- you're losing your votes. The bad news is you've got, all you got, just one week to regain your votes, starting tonight. Starting with tonights sit. Oh, have I got your attention now? Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this days lynch. As you all know, first prize is a shiny town win. Anyone want to see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is you fucking lose. You get the picture? You're laughing now? You got leads. Get their names and lynch them! You can't lynch the scum you're given, you can't lynch shit, you ARE shit, hit the bricks pal and beat it 'cause you are going out!!!
DoubtingThomas: The town are weak.
RC: 'The town is weak.' Fucking town is weak? You're weak. I've been on this website five fucking years.
Wh4t: Wh4t's your name?
RC: FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you have a fourty percent winrate, my winrate is over sixty percent. That's my name!! (to DT) And your name is "you're wanting." And you can't play in a man's game. You can't lynch them. (at a near whisper) And you go home and tell your wife your troubles. (to everyone again) Because only one thing counts in this game! Get them to L-1 and get them a fucking hammer! You hear me, you fucking ******s?
(RC flips over a blackboard which has two sets of letters on it: ABC, and RSVP.)
Blake: A-B-C. A-always, B-be, C-carrying. Always be carrying! Always be carrying!! R-S-V-P. Read, sort, vote, present. Read -- Are you reading the fucking game? Sort -- are you finding scum? I know you are because it's fuck or walk. You catch sum or you hit the bricks! Vote -- have you voted scum for Christ?!! And present that case. RSVP; get out there!! You got the posts comin' in; you think they came in to get out of the rain? Scum don't post on the game unless they're ready to get lynched. Sitting out there waiting to give you that juicy scumflip! Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it? (to Wh4t) What's the problem pal? You. Wh4t.
Wh4t: You're such a hero, you're so rich. Why you coming down here and waste your time on a bunch of bums?
(RC sits and shows off his gold title)
RC: You see this title? You see this title?
Wh4t: Yeah.
RC: That title was because I went undefeated as scum for years and maintained a ridiculous winrate outside of it. I made finalists for best scum and best town last year. What did you get? You see, pal, that's who I am. And you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you -- go home and play with your kids!! (to everyone) You wanna play here? Carry!! (to Garmr) You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this -- how can you take the abuse you get on a sit?! You don't like it -- leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you got, catch all three scum and take a win! Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! RSVP!! Get mad! You sons of bitches! Get mad!! You know what it takes to catch scum?
(He pulls something out of his briefcase)
RC: It takes brass balls to catch scum.
(He's holding two brass balls on string, over the appropriate "area"--he puts them away after a pause)
RC: Go and do likewise, gents. The scum're out there, you pick it up, it's yours. You don't--I have no sympathy for you. You wanna go out on those threads tonight and carry, carry, it's yours. If not you're going to be shining my shoes. Bunch of losers sitting around in the speakeasy. (in a mocking weak voice) "Oh yeah, I used to be a mafia player, it's a tough racket." (he takes out large stack of red index cards tied together with string from his briefcase) These are the new cases. These are the RC cases. And to you, they're gold. And you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. (he hands the stack to Schadd_) They're for closers.
I'd wish you good luck but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you got it. (to Wh4t as he puts on his title again) And to answer your question, pal: why am I here? I came here because Schadd and Skygazer asked me to, they asked me for a favor. I said, the real favor, follow my advice and policy lynch your fucking ass because a loser is a loser.

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it amuses me that I've been contemplating tor/TW + skygazer as a scumteam and both have bad associatives with FA_Q2 and both have been online but aren't posting here

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eat vegetables

never

you won't be a young hot lady forever

i will ~s

see this reminds me of um

okay so I was actually going to make a comment on this from a feminist point of view like there's literally no way that toranaga comes flying in and calls a guy attractive and say that he's gonna get ugly as he gets older but we as a society see it as okay to randomly start talking about girls appearances in such a way but that's not even the big deal here

this is gonna involve a comparison from way farther back but

Soooo
Im gonna go on a limb here and say thay usually, when titus gets to dick measuring fights, she obviously loses lol. But point is she tends to get mislynched that way.
Dunno about RC though. I dont recall him fighting and bickering as either alignmrnts in my games.

this is from a game where me and FA were in a hydra and lynched scum D1 and vengekilled scum N1 to win the game
ego pandering aside it's something that I knew was SvS after thinking about it for a while because why would shos be comfortable makign that comment about titus unless buddy
because people have like a bit more comfort with their buddies cuz they'll know it's for show kind of thing

now I think this also applies to toranaga's comment I think he would not usually be readily willing to randomly call skygazer a young hot girl but as scum in that situation, eh maybe

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i'm leaning towards FA_Q2/Skygazer/TW as of right now

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like i always scumread skygazer, I was willing to give her a break sort of just based on I didn't think she'd drag me back into the game as scum when I wanted to leave because town was being shit when town was being shit

but I guess if she wanted the feather in her cap of getting the win over me here then she'd pull me back in anyway, which is kind of rude imo but

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like I'm struggling to decide which has the highest equity because the ties are so blatant and they are scummy

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also I've held back just how scummy I find tor's short stint in the game because I wanted to see how wh4t responded to that entrance but I'm getting bored of waiting for the day that never comes.

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skygazer tried to tie both duck and fa_q2's alignments to different flips that are obviously going to flip town if both are scum
the more egregious one was the duck associatives in terms of that specifically

surface level the entrance is kinda bleh. like his townreads are kinda uncontroversial but i don't think he'd go for texcat of all people as scum? i feel like he'd sheep onto one of those two-vote wagons. and like while trying to figure out why his reads are where they're at was frustrating, i feel like he'd try harder at explaining his reads here as scum

unless i'm just overthinking all this

i'd reevaluate after a garmr or wh4t scumflip because of those null reads

very waffly, the explanation is dogshit (which was imo skygazer's biggest weakness as scum in past games, her scum cases are SHIT), and then she expresses willingness to reevaluate based on other flips that are presumably town

FA_Q2 iso:
I think 102 is more likely to come from paranoid town even if it is misguided
but 105 is rlly meh
106 is ??? like an accusation of active lurking on like page 5 feels like they're just looking to shade ppl
108 and other interactions w Wh4t means that FA is unlikely scum w Wh4t i think?
247 at least shows he has townreads so he's at least sorting or trying to look like he's sorting

I think this could get sorted with a Wh4t flip if we're lucky so I'm not going to worry about it until he posts more, nothing else there rlly worth commenting on

note that she here also tied willingness to vote FA to another flip
and just the two cases and the fact that she didn't address all that many people and that these two were both kind of in the same way in a way that's hard to articulate

feels like the scumteam

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like i'm struggling to decide which to vote because i'm so sure all are scum as opposed to because i'm not sure which is the most likely to flip scum

which is good feelings (tm)

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i actually ended up going with FA because fuck that guy if he's town tbh

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i prefer your old avatar

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i wish I could be stunningly beautiful

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both of their reactions locks this in if I wasn't already sure they were both scum already

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how much have you read, hws?

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i just want this over.

no one on town besides me had a single correct read as far as I can tell

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i'm still trying to mentally sort out the probability that the jailkeeper tries to make a yolo play onto someone who isn't me, I get nightkilled, and then town plays off of their own reads the rest of the game and it gets thrown somehow

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anyway

fa_q2->Skygazer->Duck->Wh4t

game's still going you're on your own but at worst that's 2/3.

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FA_Q2 please.

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in the scum pt

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why are you voting the guy who was just cased by your prior scumread

wouldn't you think that makes thme less likely on average to be scum and that therefore you should vote somewhere else all things equal?

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i'm tryna lynch fa_q2 and they're flipping scum

but apparently town wants to do their own thing, which in this context is at least somewhat reasonable butstill.

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can we go back to the lolcatting

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anyway

fa_q2->Skygazer->Duck->Wh4t->Garmr

game's still going you're on your own but at worst that's 2/3.

adding garmr back to the end.

getting bad vibes that skygazer is going to flip scum but that doesn't make the wagon town led.

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i'm not comfortable with the endgame situation where skygazer is lynched

I'll make a coherent FA_Q2 case if I have to but this has to stop naow

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rly think that garmr is substitutable for tw outright so the idea of him getting towncred for bussing here and then going to endgame doesn't give me good feelings

and if we're both town and it was just tw (which is honestly more likely) we're still hitting scum

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i'm not comfortable with lynching skygazer today for various reasons, none of which have anything to do with doubting that she flips scum.

FA_Q2 first.

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like that sudden shift from garmr to supporting skygazer and casing it feels fake and they also have bad mutual associations so

maybe this is ye olde game solve and the duck is actually town

it's still {Skygazer/FA_Q2 + 1 of {Garmr, wh4t, TW}} but the ordre might change a bit

we're lynching FA_Q2 though.

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because that's exactly what scum wants me to do

skygazer has left the game even to make sure she eats the lynch

that makes me think FA_Q2 is a strongman or something that you guys really need to get the hit on me through

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like sky's totally surrendered her slot and that + the fact that you cased her makes me feel like you're giving her slot up to prop up the rest of your team

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and just because I think she's beautiful doesn't mean that I'm her scumbuddy

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fa_q2 is also scum though

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i'm securing a lynch order that maximizes town's chances of winning the game based on my complete lack of trust for town's ability to play the game without me. sorry if you're town and that bothers you.

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no.

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i'm considering you as part of a very small lynchpool

there's also the really cool perk that if we lynch FA_Q2 first and if you're town and the jailkeeper gamethrows then I can trust you to lynch scum without me

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i note that at no point have you expressed any willingness to follow any of my other reads post flip and that makes it easy for scum you to kill me and then go off on DT or whoever again

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yeah nope

FA_Q2 today.

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if you're town

you're in a situation where the guy who derailed the wagon on you is saying to lynch one person based significantly on associatives with your scumread and you know that if you get nightkilled I"m going to fucking murder skygazer tomorrow

whereas if you're scum with them and don't want to give up both your partners then yeah being resistant to the FA_Q2 wagon maeks a lot of sense since you have to bus skygazer at this point anyway.

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hmm

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is it FA_Q2 flipping scum?

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lol

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TW can you be a good duckling and vote FA_Q2

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I will give lots of bread

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did I do anything wrong

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did I do anything wrong

dunno like if you're not scumbuddies then i think toranaga's comment was rly frigging weird

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I think saudade needs to be in consideration for scum

Trending towards thinking Wh4t is town from FA_Q2's iso

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I dunno I find it really hard to see you as town here skygazer

if you are town I'd appeciate it if you could help me see that even if I'm not letting you get lynched today regardless

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nah I think you've been treated as a girl first and a mafia player like fourth or fifth this game.

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amusingly I was just mentally conjecturing a TW/Toranaga scumteam before I remembered they were the same slot

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TW if you aren't voting FA_Q2 you are going tomorrow no matter what no questions asked. idc what you claim your reads are.

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FA_Q2/TW/Saudade works out as well

I'm asking myself rn does toranaga ever make that post as town? because svs makes that post make a decent amount of sense, svt okay I guess people say weird things when they're scum, meh.

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I htink FA_Q2 spews texcat town

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its ok

feel free to take a break so long as you leave your vote on FA_Q2

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i'll be honest I probably still think you're scum and lynch you if I'm alive long enough to do so but if you're town at least its 1 for 1 right

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Garmr has been

off

tonally this entire game and a certain kind of subdued but I'm not sure that makes him scum.

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not even close

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i don't rly feel like outing why i'm so sure on FA_Q2 because it's a tell that I like and there's no way FA_Q2 is going to reverse engineer it without being told but the dudette is le scumerino cappucino

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there's still like FA_Q2/Saudade/Wh4t if you're town but that would mean FA_Q2 and Wh4t faked that whole interactrion

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Yeah I feel that too.

VOTE: FA_Q2

Nice to see you again Skygazer.
Also, Wh4t, why did you change your vote?

From what little I can discern so far garmr seems fine. FA and yourself have the most awkward entrances imo.

Let's give thomas a nice welcome lynch!

RC i'll take 2nd <3. Thoughts on Saudade?

both pop up in his iso exceedingly early

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Nothing of that claim comes from a town mindset IMHO. There is a LOT there that I can see coming from a scum mindset.

I can see how it's anti-town but I think you're getting confused with anti-town vs scum mindsets. How does him claiming what he has help scum? He hasn't asked for the JK to claim, so I'm not sure how he would achieve role-fishing with the claim, and also he would leave all other PRs free to use their role on his buddy as they would avoid using it on RC with his claim as he may be Jailkept.

I'm not trying to hard defend RC but I just don't see how pulling this gambit benefits scum. It actually doesn't benefit either alignment except maybe a very paranoid town!RC, who thinks he's keeping the JK active by claiming. From my recent experience with RC, this isn't as far fetched as scum!RC outing himself for no obvious benefit. I would prefer if we did the normal scum hunt thing today and if RC is still a main suspect after a few decent wagons then by all means, however the claim is not a scum claim in itself imo.

Following this I also townlean saudade for his joke-counterclaim entrance. I know it's been a few years for you but OMGUSing someone isn't really something that scum exclusively do now. Saudade reads carefree and arrogant in tone which is something I think scum would try to avoid in their posting, so as not to rub people the wrong way. IME scum try to stay under the radar and what RC and Saudade are doing isn't that lol.

lel

that is some overrepresentation of those 2 slots

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why is it probably not 2 like fypov i scumread wh4t and toranaga scumread wh4t and both of us are regardless of how you order us the top two people at reading wh4t.

FA_Q2 is just scum period

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ok

but ur predecessor who is confirmed town is at least top 2 people at reading wh4t of all players on this site and thought he was lockscum
and then i who am obvious town as fuck and if u think otherwise ur a big dum loser and should go drink tea think that he's scummy and further there's kind of that 1v1 dichotomy
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i really don't know why i backed off of wh4t that was rly dumb his iso is terrible

but FA_Q2 is even worse

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why does FA_Q2 even go off at me as scum unless he was trying to set up wh4t to make the buddy play hmm

because like before i actually read his post

ok this is kinda non sequitur but I'm posting this way because this kind of posting usually gets me townread but I didn't actually read FA_Q2's post for the longest time because I figured he's +likely town for going off at me and I've see red and want to derptunnel him as soon as I actually read it because why the fuck else would you push on me for something that dumb

and it would explain both why he's so scummy and why he made such an odd play if he did so to get wh4t in position to defend me

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Yeah that whole thing with Havo/Saudade/DT makes me think worse of Saudade and DT rather than Havo. It seemed like DT was baiting Havo into reacting and then made a big fuss when Havo wanted to reply via laptop instead of instantly, which has happened to me before by scum. I think DT looks worse than Saudade, I doubt they are scum together though.

I like how FA just spun my nitpicking comment to further illustrate how he nitpicks posts to portray people a certain way. There is no objectivity at all tbh. I'm happy with where my vote is atm.

another wh4t post with both FA and Saudade brought up in contexts that make purpose sense for svs

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in terms of individual scumreads my only 3 major individual scumreads this game are actually TW/FA_Q2/Wh4t + slight scumread Skygazer but rather meh about that

this would cover two of them with clear associatives and someone who I fully understand why wouldn't be on my radar for scum early

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why

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you can't say why not or you just end up lynching all the lynchbait and losing.

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like there's always going to be people being completely fucking useless, there's always going to be people with 0 content, there's always going to be people saying dumb things.
if you take the approach of lynching them you'll either lose outright or have no mislynches at the point when you're actually trying to hunt scum

this isn't the website to policy lynch useless players. garmr, DT, CT are the only people I wouldn't policy lynch if they were the only people performing at the level they are in this game.

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i'm kinda waiting for the game to start, lol.

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i don't have high standards. when i talked about policy lynching people it's more to make a point that there are a lot of people not doing all that much this game.

i just want there to be an actual game going on that I can be part of and right now I feel like my options are to strongarm town or for town to just get walked all over and that's not a good feeling

it does feel like theres 4/5 people in here going in circles while the others are just afk popping in with a post once every 3 days

this is true so why don't you help me lynch the 22 poster?

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TW I'm not wasting an early game lynch on a slot for being useless if I don't explicitly scumread it and you shouldn't expect me to.

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ime all or nearly all of the slots that are able to get lynched for being useless on MS are town, on MU you can usually catch a few scum by them just not wanting to play the game but people are more enthusiastic about playing scum on MS because it's so much easier and stuffs

her posts are lurky and prodgy and her reaction to me saying she's probscum just spews to me that she's not gonna have an ounce of nuanced thought this game

so... optimal af fmpov

ok and what happens when she flips town and scum get to take out whichever town player they think is the most threatening
have you noticed how many games scum get lynched early and town still end up losing late game when all the players who caught scum early get nightkilled?
when you waste those early days with all the strongest players alive and policy lynch people you just get scum sweeps.