Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[Eragon]

And what’s with the “I would also vote [4 people]”

Are those actual thoughts or RvS

Those are actual thoughts if you note that I express lack of joy in seeing people not start creating wagons and that I specifically cited all the posters who had come in at a certain point and continued empty RVS instead of trying to get something going - and also the empty poster who is, functionally, part and parcel of the same issue.

Why did it not come across clearly to you?

Would you like to move your vote to sesq?
If no - why not?
If yes - please do so.

Becuase it’s RvS and the votes mean nothing?

The so-called “continuing RvS” is pretty much through post 15-16(not sure exact), and it’s just the way to start the game.

And why did you not call me out for RvS’in or the other person you didn’t mention?(I forget)

I’m not moving my vote to Sesq Becuase I see no reason to see them as scum,

[Almost50]

OK, so Mime are probably Eragon & Thomas (early reads). Lady Angel has the towniest vibes of all RVS votes, and I also feel goos about Thor (one of the most dangerous scum players in multi-ball) so that's a relief. All I want is for him and GL to be Town and the Town is probably gonna win this.

Sesq is good scumm but she hasn't yet done anything scummy (well, a far fetched idea is that she is scum with lane and they're distancing already).

I;m waiting for Lalendra to come in and spew me as scum out of the blue. If he doesn't then she definitely has something to hide.

[Almost50]

*goos = GOOD

[Thor665]

Becuase it’s RvS and the votes mean nothing?

The votes mean as much as they ever do unless we're not allowed to lynch someone yet, which isn't a rule I'm aware of

The so-called “continuing RvS” is pretty much through post 15-16(not sure exact), and it’s just the way to start the game.

WHy do you think they were doing it in a pro-town way?
If you don't - then why try to talk me down from taking it as scum indicative?

And why did you not call me out for RvS’in or the other person you didn’t mention?(I forget)

Because you were early enough it was less certain that you were intentionally avoiding creating wagons.
Were you intentionally avoiding creating a wagon?

I’m not moving my vote to Sesq Becuase I see no reason to see them as scum,

Why do you see them as less scumm (or A50 as more scummy) than your current vote?
If you find them equal why not move?
If you think the votes are meaningless - why not move?

[Thor665]

I also feel goos about Thor (one of the most dangerous scum players in multi-ball)

If you think I have a rep as dangerous scum, why in the world are you town sorting me and buddying this early?

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Sesq - 2 - lane0168, Thor665
Almost50 - 1 - Eragon
lkdkdkdldlllkkk - 1 - UnrealSeal
lane0168- 1 - Sesq
DoubtingThomas - 1 - Lady Angel
Lady Angel - 1 - GuiltyLion
Eragon - 1 - FA_Q2

Not Voting - DoubtingThomas, Lalendra, lkdkdkdldlllkkk, Fink, Almost50

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is August 29 at 6:45PM EST

[Almost50]

I also feel goos about Thor (one of the most dangerous scum players in multi-ball)

If you think I have a rep as dangerous scum, why in the world are you town sorting me and buddying this early?

Because you are being aggressive and moving the game forward fast enough which isn't like scum!you.

As Mafia you would want to stay in the shadows a bit longer and as Mime you would not want to look like you're game solving this early (you want to be lynched AND want to avoid being NK'd by the Mafia).

The way you've been posting makes you a prime NK target for the Mafia, and a much less likely lynch for the next couple of days, so you're not a Mime (and I'm openly Mime hunting as a priority because I don't want to lose having lynched non-town aligned players. That would suck).

Tldr, your play doesn't make sense as Mime and is unlikely to come from Mafia you, so you're Town. Any objections?

[FA_Q2]

OK, so Mime are probably Eragon & Thomas (early reads). Lady Angel has the towniest vibes of all RVS votes, and I also feel goos about Thor (one of the most dangerous scum players in multi-ball) so that's a relief. All I want is for him and GL to be Town and the Town is probably gonna win this.

Sesq is good scumm but she hasn't yet done anything scummy (well, a far fetched idea is that she is scum with lane and they're distancing already).

I;m waiting for Lalendra to come in and spew me as scum out of the blue. If he doesn't then she definitely has something to hide.

Why DT?

[Almost50]

Why DT?

SPAM. Not a single game-related word. That's someone who wants to look scummy in order to be lynched.

[Almost50]

ISO him and see for yourself. All 4 posts. Tell me how you feel after you do.

[Fink]

VOTE: Doubting Thomas
Page 1 Mime claim more likely to come from Mafia than Mime I think.

Also, hi Thor. Any particular reason for sesq over the others?

[Almost50]

We can -of course- lynch DT, and if he flips Mime we shoot both Fink and Eragon (Mafia will agree to shoot there as they also don't want the Mimes winning).

So,

if DR flips Mime, Town Vig shoots Fink and Mafia shoot Eragon.

[Almost50]

*DR = DT .. DAMN!

[Almost50]

Page 1 Mime claim more likely to come from Mafia than Mime I think.

Btw, this really bad reasoning. Mafia don't want to be lynched, but they don't want to be shot by the Vig either. Acting scummy so as not to get lynched = painting a mark on your back to be shot.

ALSO, let's say he's Mafia and acted this way and didn't get shot. He sure IS going to get lynched once the Mimes have been shot down (unless he's counting on them to be both lynched and then they win and he still loses).

[Almost50]

Anyone else wanna claim Mime? You won't get lynched, but you sure as hell are going to get NK'd. And the best part is we only need to nail one if you for you to lose.

[Thor665]

Also, hi Thor. Any particular reason for sesq over the others?

Burden of proficiency.

Unvote: Sesq
Vote: Doubting Thomas

[Fink]

Btw, this really bad reasoning. Mafia don't want to be lynched, but they don't want to be shot by the Vig either. Acting scummy so as not to get lynched = painting a mark on your back to be shot.

ALSO, let's say he's Mafia and acted this way and didn't get shot. He sure IS going to get lynched once the Mimes have been shot down (unless he's counting on them to be both lynched and then they win and he still loses).

So that's a hard townread from you then?

[Almost50]

No! That's a NOOB MIME read. He wants to get lynched, but he made it so obvious he won't be lynched. Mafia may also do it IF we didn't have a Vig. Having a Town Vig rules out the Mafia possibility even for a noob. Got it?

[Fink]

No! That's a NOOB MIME read. He wants to get lynched, but he made it so obvious he won't be lynched. Mafia may also do it IF we didn't have a Vig. Having a Town Vig rules out the Mafia possibility even for a noob. Got it?

So newb mafia know we have a vig but newb mime don't. Got it.

[FA_Q2]

Why DT?

SPAM. Not a single game-related word. That's someone who wants to look scummy in order to be lynched.

Hmmmm. At first I thought it was just a triple post. If you are confident that he is a mime, and I like your reasoning, wouldn't lynching him be a bad idea? If you are incorrect about his partner then all it takes is one misslynch to give them the victory.

I don't really follow the reasoning here for pushing a wagon on your mime read...

[FA_Q2]

n/m, Thought you were voting DT. Looked at your ISO and that is not the case.

Basically the same Q goes to thor though - why vote there when there is a decent case (at least for this early) that he is the mime? It feels like you just want to jump on any wagon at all....

[Almost50]

Why DT?

SPAM. Not a single game-related word. That's someone who wants to look scummy in order to be lynched.

Hmmmm. At first I thought it was just a triple post. If you are confident that he is a mime, and I like your reasoning, wouldn't lynching him be a bad idea? If you are incorrect about his partner then all it takes is one misslynch to give them the victory.

I don't really follow the reasoning here for pushing a wagon on your mime read...

I didn't push a wagon on him and I'm not voting him still. I said to lynch him and Vig Fink/Eragon when Fink voted him.

[Almost50]

n/m, Thought you were voting DT. Looked at your ISO and that is not the case.

Basically the same Q goes to thor though - why vote there when there is a decent case (at least for this early) that he is the mime? It feels like you just want to jump on any wagon at all....

OK.. so first part is explained. I won't respond to the 2nd now (since it's directed at Thor) but I very much understand his vote. I also understand your concern, so it looks very much like you could a townie too.

[Eragon]

VOTE: A50

Still slightly annoyed

On another note

i claim bodyguard

Oh wait, that’s not a role, shoot.

I claim vigilante.

Perfect

MIME detected!

First

Spoiler:

We did agree your lynch was perfectly justified in the last game, because your play resulted in swaying the lynch off a Mafioso, directly resulted in outing a PR, and it worked well bc you also TR'd the other Mafioso.

Second: No Town Vig wants to out themselves at the start of D1. Your claim is this obviously fake. Bit to what purpose? Is it an attempt to bait the NK?? That'd be bad bc that's protecting the Mimes (assuming you're not).
Is it to draw a CC? Well, Mafia do need the Vig alive for a couple of nights to help them clip down the numbers.

So, the logical conclusion is you want to appear scummy so we would lynch you, and WHO wants to be lynched in this setup??

Vig target locked! Thanks you. Now let's hunt for the Mafia.

Did you actually think that I was truly claiming vigi?
My claim is obviously fake becuase it is fake

[Eragon]

Becuase it’s RvS and the votes mean nothing?

The votes mean as much as they ever do unless we're not allowed to lynch someone yet, which isn't a rule I'm aware of

The so-called “continuing RvS” is pretty much through post 15-16(not sure exact), and it’s just the way to start the game.

WHy do you think they were doing it in a pro-town way?
If you don't - then why try to talk me down from taking it as scum indicative?

And why did you not call me out for RvS’in or the other person you didn’t mention?(I forget)

Because you were early enough it was less certain that you were intentionally avoiding creating wagons.
Were you intentionally avoiding creating a wagon?

I’m not moving my vote to Sesq Becuase I see no reason to see them as scum,

Why do you see them as less scumm (or A50 as more scummy) than your current vote?
If you find them equal why not move?
If you think the votes are meaningless - why not move?

Random votes hold the same power as regular votes, but not the same meaning
A vote in post 14 /=/ a vote in post 73, one random and he other with reasoning

I don’t think it’s scum indicative or pro-town. RvS is purely NAI, and I can’t see why RvS would be AI ever.
Early enough is just based on timing getting to the thread.
I don’t think anyone voting in RvS is trying to avoid creating a wagon, it’s jsut voting someone randomly, hence Random. Voting. stage.

Becuase why would I put a third vote on someone that’s had 1 RvS vote, that is NAI, and no reasoning?
And the first RvS vote is always meaningless, becuase its random.