Mini 2020: Destiny III: Cosmic Mafia [終わり]

[Dunnstral]

are those the only 2 votes you're willing to make?

no, I think you and staeg are town but I don't trust you guys to make a good shot, there's other people I'd be okay with having it too

[Dunnstral]

Nacho I don't care what you think because you asked me why Kokichi was a bad lynch, I laid out at least 5 reasons, then you disappeared and never talked about it and were on the kokichi mislynch. You don't get to defend Feysal now when that's what people were trying to lynch yesterday - his lynch was decided yesterday. Your vote on kokichi caused a mislynch there instead, so sorry but I'm not sorry, you shouldn't have mislynched Kokichi who wasn't even scummy

[Dunnstral]

Miller that only appears as scum to scum cops isn't a scummy role to claim

[Dunnstral]

The missing Archetypes concern everyone.
The discussion becomes heated, cosmic accusations fly across the gathering like so many stars in the sky.

In a supernova burst, or rather a laserbeam of light into the darkness, you focus on Kokichi Oma.

Kokichi Oma.

"What are you exactly?"

"I don't know.... I've never been able to be one thing. Some days I'm tossed about by the cosmic currents.

Other days I ride the winds of my thoughts across the Sky.

Maybe one day...one day I'll find myself."

But you didn't trust him.

You would found out who he was.

With Blood."

Vote Count:

camntsuki-Sagitarrius: To Unify (2) Dunnstral, zMuffinz,
zMuffinMan- Virgo: To Serve (0)

Kokichi Oma- Gemini: To Listen (7) Nachomamma, thepixiecollective, Kuribo, DGB, Staeg, LadyLambdaDelta, Feysal [LYNCH]

MariaR- Aquarius: To Liberate (1) Kokichi Oma
AnonymousGhost- Scorpio: To Transform (0):
thepixiecollective- Cancer: To Nourish (0)
DrippingGoofBall- Libra: To Balance (0)
Espeonage-Gemini: To Listen (0)
Kuribo- Gemini: To Listen (0)
Feysal- Virgo: To Serve (2) MariaR, AnonymousGhost
Nachomamma8- Pisces: To Let Go (0)
Staeg- Aquarius: To Liberate (1) Espeonage
LadyLambdadelta- Taurus: To Produce (0)
Dunnstral- Cancer: To Nourish (1) camntsuki

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it took 7 to obliterate someone.

Kokichi Oma was lynched. He was

the Split Personality (Gemini/Pisces), a Harmony aligned soul.

Welcome to Cosmic Mafia!


You are an Harmony-Aligned Soul.

Your Sun Moon Combination [Role] is: Gemini/Pisces = The Split Personality
The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign provides a high degree of what would be called a sixth sense that always helps you get along in the world. This blending is one of the most versatile and adaptable, but one in which frequent change and inconstancy can be a problem, at times.

Night Abilities:
Evolution- Your role will change over time as the events of the stars and day phases affect you. Learn to roll with the punches!

Thread: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76680

You win when all threats to Harmony have been eliminated and at least one member of the Harmony remains alive.

Night Deadline: July 18th

BEFORE I GET ANY PMS, YES THE VOTECOUNT IS CORRECT. 100% ACCURACY MOD CONFIRMED. Thank you and submit your night actions on time please.

[Dunnstral]

Guys feysal never casted a public vote for Kokichi but he's listed at the end. I went back and checked, I called L-1 and nobody hammered, feysal never voted him

Feysal said NOTHING about this. He voted in secret

[Dunnstral]

Hey Feysal, great timing. How did your vote get on Kokichi?

[Dunnstral]

ISO FEYSAL

[Dunnstral]

Okay, I didn't realize Pixie claimed that, it's whatever then

Nacho, what is your read on camntsuki?

[Dunnstral]

I agree that Pixie doesn't need to claim that as scum

[Dunnstral]

But he's posted in those 24 hours and his only "redemption" was "Hay Guys I'm gonna die but I'm okay with that and also I'm a reverse miller"

I know you've seen townies crumple like a shitty card table before. My only point is that it'd be really super wonderful if we could give him more than one chance to redeem himself, especially since the horrible awful thing he did yesterday was not post a lot after taking a super long break from mafia.

So who are you proposing gets day vigged instead, Nacho?

[Dunnstral]

okay, I don't suspect lld as much

[Dunnstral]

I can't tell if that flavor is hinting at multiball or if feysal was messing with us

[Dunnstral]

Did I get the secret you promised me, Dunn? I targeted you N1.

You should have had something happen, if nothing did then something interfered

[Dunnstral]

LLD pushed Feysal early, though, which gives me pause

[Dunnstral]

Even though Camntsuki voted Feyssal I believe it was after Kokichi was hammered so if scum knew that from seeing pixie's post...

I seem to recall heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot? I think at one point they were the top 2 wagons but they preferred to keep a wagon vanity on me going?

I didn't go back to fact check so not 100%

[Dunnstral]

VOTED FEYSAL

Right, I'm saying this was after Kokichi was already hammered, so it doesn't have as much weight

[Dunnstral]

and he wonders why I refuse to even acknowledge his existence let alone read any of his posts.

ok youre actually fucking [redacted]

?

This level of anger doesn't feel real

[Dunnstral]

kokichi was never publicly hammered dunnstral

Reading back Pixie had said something to the effect of them moving their vote to kokichi right? Scum could have counted the votes using either team day chat or individually (well, they're a hydra)

[Dunnstral]

I agree mason pair looks suspect, don't agree it's optimal play to lynch them today. If they're scum they're not getting far, if they're masons then we're wasting a lynch when we didn't need to

as for multiball, "chaos" is a pretty generic antithesis to Harmony, notably Feysal's role didn't even flip but maybe he was telling the truth

[Dunnstral]

pretty sure mollie claimed that d2 though (off memory, phone posting now so can't be bothered finding it)

No kokichi lynch was day 1 I think

Day 2 was the sunburst and is when I brought it back up and got pointed back in the thread

[Dunnstral]

VOTED FEYSAL

Right, I'm saying this was after Kokichi was already hammered, so it doesn't have as much weight

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance

to a Feysal lynch

coming from Camn slot

heavy

resistance

from Camn slot

to a Feysal lynch

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

For what it's worth, I'm noticing the same thing from Staeg day 1, and of course Nacho was defending FEysal day 2, still stand by what I said a bit ago about them not being a good lynch today though

[Dunnstral]

VOTED FEYSAL

Right, I'm saying this was after Kokichi was already hammered, so it doesn't have as much weight

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance

to a Feysal lynch

coming from Camn slot

heavy

resistance

from Camn slot

to a Feysal lynch

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

heavy resistance to a Feysal lynch coming from Camn slot

Also, yes, you were moving your vote around earlier between wagons but when it came to Feysal wagon popping up you never commented on it or anything

[Dunnstral]

just realised the beautiful mermaid counter isn't a hammer type thing (just whoever has most votes at end of day gets it)

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are you faking a post restriction with the rainbow stuff

It looks to me like they're just stylizing their votes

[Dunnstral]

dunns, who is your strongest townread rn?

AG and you

[Dunnstral]

Did Camn just argue that her hydra isn't capable of following a plan made by someone else in mafia day chat? And that's the part that's far fetched?

[Dunnstral]

:dead:

And yeah, you are caught cuz Espe. I know, it sucks.

And you know what sucks? 3 years ago the exact same thing happened. I replaced into espe's slot right as he's confirmed scum.

It's a fucking tragedy innit?

I read this 3 times and it feels like you're claiming scum

[Dunnstral]

... i just feel like ive lost the objectivity i had from reading the game before i replaced in.

I know it is so hard to keep up a real organic scumread once your role PM tells you who the REAL scum are!

Is that why you stopped voting me?

[Dunnstral]

Mermaid Warrior Vote: Thepixiecollective

[Dunnstral]

watch as nacho comes in and hammers and laughs in everyone's face at how he can get away with it

wait for it...

I feel personally attacked

I like how you've basically joined this wagon to save your own skin with no mention of that slot before this point - not even if you think it's town or scum.

He did the same thing on my wagon day 1

[Dunnstral]

When did your read on me change, Staeg?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: camntsuki

Not impressed with their play today

[Dunnstral]

Just saying chainsaw doesn't fix your bad play and bad attitude

[Dunnstral]

Angry replace out = town

In general, not Nos meta

[Dunnstral]

ok youre actually fucking [redacted]

charming

[Dunnstral]

I agree that it was an overreaction, but overreacting isn't scummy

[Dunnstral]

Is this related to your role?

[Dunnstral]

Well whatever Camntsuki found out, I'm sure they can enlighten us before we lynch them. Otherwise I'm gonna assume nothing happened

[Dunnstral]

That is Camn, Katsuki doesn't use words like rash assumption

[Dunnstral]

Apparently im legit not allowed to rage replace out

Nobody can stop you from leaving, you can't be "not allowed" to replace out

I still think Mollie is scum tbh

You're really underwhelming today

and despite nos's meltdown I am still unsure on the slot.

cupcake or lld?

I think I want lld fist. I am telling you this a carbon copy of her last scum game. did you look at the link?

how about you muffina? kuribo? any1?

Which link

[Dunnstral]

Camntsuki is still using the same avoidance techniques as back then so yeah

"I didn't do that"
[quote showing where they did do that, no room for doubt]
*starts talking about something else*

[Dunnstral]

Both nightkills point to Camntsuki scum.

[Dunnstral]

Nobody can stop you from leaving, you can't be "not allowed" to replace out

the mod disagrees with you.

Nothing is stopping you from just leaving, is the mod holding you hostage or something?

[Dunnstral]

Both nightkills point to Camntsuki scum.

Fuck that I would never kill DGB. Hell..I would never ~lynch~ DGB.

KURIBO 4 PREZ

Hey TDK did you get an email tonight about a new round of Warfacts starting

no lol you playing?

Also you and DGB are town so y'all need to kiss and make up

Dunnstral thinking that I'd ever NK anyone other than DGB N1 is lols

[Dunnstral]

Camntsuki just got caught out, lynch them

[Dunnstral]

p sure it's both camntsuki and they killed maria n1 for voting them and siding with me

[Dunnstral]

Both nightkills point to Camntsuki scum.

rofl

If we were scum we would have shot DGB N1, like evry other game. She's one of only two players who's consistently wrecked us as scum over the years.

Nice try painting the kills on us though.

Both nightkills point to Camntsuki scum.

Fuck that I would never kill DGB. Hell..I would never ~lynch~ DGB.

[Dunnstral]

Both nightkills point to Camntsuki scum.

rofl

If we were scum we would have shot DGB N1, like evry other game. She's one of only two players who's consistently wrecked us as scum over the years.

Nice try painting the kills on us though.

DrippingGoofBall has been killed She was the Rabble Rouser, a Harmony aligned soul.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Camn

MariaR has suffered a mortal blow.

[Dunnstral]

I prefer to lynch Camntsuki

[Dunnstral]

Feysal isn't an sk because part of his role was that his role didn't flip

That's a group scum ability, it has no purpose on an sk

I prefer to lynch Camntsuki

Who else is in your lynch pool Dunn?

LLD is being kind of sketchy

[Dunnstral]

in slightly less cryptic (but still crytpic and ambiguous) terms, i think cupcake figured ~something~ out and that might mean he's town, not 100% though

VEERING OFF TOPIC, IM STARTING TO DOUBT MY CUPCAMN READ AGAIN

Do you want to talk about this? Because I'm not appreciating the ambiguity. Whatever it is isn't more important than figuring out the game

[Dunnstral]

He didn't claim he wouldn't flip, he just didn't flip

[Dunnstral]

While other players have flipped

[Dunnstral]

Can you explain how an ability like this would even work? I think that's why I'm not understanding why a lack of a role PM is group scum indicative/not indicative of an SK.

Passive ability

His flavor was sly fox

foxes are sneaky

[Dunnstral]

he just didn't flip

How does this lack of a role PM flip connect it to being a possible group scum ability though? To me it sounds more like an ability that would have to be used during the Day Phase, since it's affecting the lynch/flip mechanics, similar to roles like the Judge. We have no idea if scum have day talk or if they can

even

activate abilities like that during the Day Phase. Unless I'm misunderstanding the term 'group scum ability', wouldn't that also imply that some sort of consensus would be needed among the members of the scum team (this also assumes he was a part of a scum team to begin with)?

Can you explain how an ability like this would even work? I think that's why I'm not understanding why a lack of a role PM is group scum indicative/not indicative of an SK.

I meant group scum ability as in not a serial killers power - because if it's a passive then it doesn't help an sk

[Dunnstral]

Point is - passives do help SKs.

But this one wouldn't - SK doesn't care what they flip as because if they flip they've already lost. This would be useful for a scum member that doesn't reveal it's abilities, though, as it's advancing it's teams win condition

[Dunnstral]

I just want to say sorry to fate that my replace in had to go like this. I really wanted to play but after talking with kuribo and camn, it really made me not want to be here anymore. It's my fault for not playing to my best ability and ignoring them to try to save my slot but I didn't and I'm sorry for that.

send me to spec chat o/

It's okay, it's not your fault

[Dunnstral]

I don't think Nosferatu is mafia

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Camntsuki

[Dunnstral]

There were 2 kills - does anybody want to claim one or are we working with multiball after all?

[Dunnstral]

The "masons" have been anti-town at every turn possible, now anonymousghost died who was suspecting them

[Dunnstral]

My Dunn result explicitly says that he did not action N1.
My Nos result says no result.

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Dunnstral]

So it's multiball if you're to be believed?

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count:

Katsuki-Gemini: To Convince at all Costs (0)
zMuffinMan- Aquarius: To Manipulate without Trace (0)
Kuribo- Capricorn: To Rule without Question (0)

Nachomamma8- Moonless [To Choose] (0)

Staeg- Moonless [To Choose] (0)

LadyLambdadelta- Leo: To Gather all Attention (0)

Dunnstral- Taurus: To Build Only for Themselves (0)

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This is your point of view staeg
3/5 are the scum
Where do you think they are?

Of course, from my point of view you + nacho look really bad

[Dunnstral]

3/4*

If you believe multiball

[Dunnstral]

Kuribo's been the odd man out for a while now

What about the other 3?

[Dunnstral]

3/4*

If you believe multiball

ye gods I was contemplating whether 'odd man out' might be misinterpreted

So you think Kuribo is the town out of those?

[Dunnstral]

the masons are scum and we should have lynched one yesterday. don't think we can afford to today because it potentially puts us in a kingmaker position

should probably mass claim

You're first

Explain what your role tells you about Katsuki

[Dunnstral]

in slightly less cryptic (but still crytpic and ambiguous) terms, i think cupcake figured ~something~ out and that might mean he's town, not 100% though

VEERING OFF TOPIC, IM STARTING TO DOUBT MY CUPCAMN READ AGAIN

Do you want to talk about this? Because I'm not appreciating the ambiguity. Whatever it is isn't more important than figuring out the game

I am with dunn here, spit it out muffina

[Dunnstral]

I've been thinking the inventor role was scum for a while now, was wondering when they'd claim.

[Dunnstral]

my role doesn't tell me anything about cupcake. i thought cupcake had either copped me or had some way of knowing what my role was because he was strongly hinting at something like that (and the fact that i'm not dying for it suggests he wasn't worried about me handing out more stuff if he knew what i was)

This is bad reasoning imo

[Dunnstral]

Where did he hint that he copped you?

[Dunnstral]

ok, but anonymousghost is a cop and you came into today saying masons are scum for some reason even though camntsuki is blowing smoke now

[Dunnstral]

This day isn't hard, we lynch camntsuki, kuribo shoots at masons if they flip town, at lld/muffin if they flip scum

The alternative (lynching masons first) is mechanically worse

[Dunnstral]

If you're claiming tracker why did you let anonymousghost claim it?

[Dunnstral]

3 scumreads camntsuki

let's hear it, who is scum?

[Dunnstral]

if lld is scum, she's not scum with feysal. another reason to lynch camntsuki

[Dunnstral]

More excuses

[Dunnstral]

3 scumreads camntsuki

You can't pretend to scumread me anymore

[Dunnstral]

also, this gamestate has left me literally drawing a blank.

I don't know how to approach this. I have no concept.

If only one of muffin/camntsuki is scum, which one is scum?

[Dunnstral]

3 scumreads camntsuki

There's 3 scum, who are they?

[Dunnstral]

So are you leading up to calling kuribo scum or is this just whining

[Dunnstral]

I've had my thoughts on who the 3rd scum was but I don't want to address him rn (It's p obvious who I think that mystery 3rd is anyways).

Who? Muffin?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think lld is scum with feysal

So if lld is scum, camntsuki is pretty much scum too, and they have a decent chance at being scum with feysal (I've talked about how they were defending him before, too)

[Dunnstral]

So if lld is scum, camntsuki is pretty much scum too

*Because if she's not scum with feysal, but is instead scum on another faction, the remaining two scum are on different teams

If anybody thinks it's not multiball I'm open to hearing how that's possible

[Dunnstral]

We're lynching Camntsuki

[Dunnstral]

No, I wasn't roleblocked night 1

[Dunnstral]

Dunn you need to claim

My role's already been revealed though

And I don't see the reason I need to claim

[Dunnstral]

She didn't get no result on me, she got no result on nos

[Dunnstral]

so somebody targeted ag

[Dunnstral]

You should target me AG and you keep a secret until day 3

AND BEFORE ANYONE OUTS THEMSELF AS A PR!!! I became an Empowered Tracker as of D2 start after receiving my track result PM from Fate.

SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT IF YOU TARGTED ME LAST NIGHT AND ARE A TOWN PR.

I empower people who target me at night

Their ability gets stronger for the next action

I don't know the specifics

[Dunnstral]

She targeted me night 1
Something happened at day 2 result, once the target went through

Lady Lambdadelta, who's most likely to be scum out of Kuribo, muffinz, Camntsuki to you? Because mechanically one of them has to be scum from your point of view

[Dunnstral]

More dumb telling

[Dunnstral]

I cld see dunns nking maria especially if the nk was connected to the treestump (which I think it is).

Nah. He didn't take an action last night.

Except AG wasn't a tracker

So what could she be trying to convey here

[Dunnstral]

Like I said camntsuki, you can't pretend to scumread me anymore

Is the scumteam kuribo, lld, and muffin?

Or is it nacho, steag, and one of the other 3, if so which one?

[Dunnstral]

She targeted me night 1
Something happened at day 2 result, once the target went through

Lady Lambdadelta, who's most likely to be scum out of Kuribo, muffinz, Camntsuki to you? Because mechanically one of them has to be scum from your point of view

I want to see all claims before I make this call, but...

Out of all of that, I think I need to look at my Feysal push D1 and figure out who was playing around it weirdly.

since....


reverse question do you think there's any other pairing that allows for masons to be town

The possibilities are:

3/4 of Kuribo, Lady lambdadelta, camntsuki, muffin

or

both masons + 1/4 of Kuribo, Lady lambdadelta, camntsuki, muffin

[Dunnstral]

I can't see a world where the top one works, but that's what I'm asking you

Let's assume.... Muffin is Feysal buddy.

is there a valid 2nd scumteam in the remaining 3? I can't see Kuribo+Camnstuki so...

From my point of view, you could fit in

I know your point of view is different, from your point of view it's probably the masons

[Dunnstral]

You should target me AG and you keep a secret until day 3

AND BEFORE ANYONE OUTS THEMSELF AS A PR!!! I became an Empowered Tracker as of D2 start after receiving my track result PM from Fate.

SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT IF YOU TARGTED ME LAST NIGHT AND ARE A TOWN PR.

I empower people who target me at night

Their ability gets stronger for the next action

I don't know the specifics

So you and LLD are direct counterclaims?

No, we don't do the same thing?

Empower = make their role stronger somehow

[Dunnstral]

My role is passive/reflexive but can still be roleblocked

[Dunnstral]

Important to note that I have to be targeted at night, so kuribo/pixie cannot interact with my role

[Dunnstral]

That's not what I was implying, just that those 2 roles can't be empowered

I'm pretty sure if scum target me with a kill, they are empowered too. Probably strongman. It probably doesn't matter anymore

[Dunnstral]

Reminder that Camntsuki claimed tracker after AG flipped as cop

[Dunnstral]

Also their reaction to that game state was telling enough, absolutely frozen, couldn't come up with a single scumread, just pushed me which was mechanically impossible without wanting to anger anyone by pointing fingers

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Katsuki

[Dunnstral]

Just got home and is already midnight. Will read up tomorrow.

Don't forget to give 3 scumreads

[Dunnstral]

Masons is there a reason you guys are just sitting back right now?

[Dunnstral]

What's the correct play today?

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I agree with 2745

I think we have to aim for the feysal partner

[Dunnstral]

So what just happened that I'm the only person voteable?

[Dunnstral]

I think we just lost? Somebody slow rolled like crazy

[Dunnstral]

Masons is there a reason you guys are just sitting back right now?

Yep, Nacho's disappeared and he has yet to choose a Moon sign (check the VCs)

What does picking a moon sign mean?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Dunnstral]

Can people agree that Camntsuki is scum by looking at the questionm dodging over the past... week?

[Dunnstral]

Why didn't I CC ghost? I am ~very~ comfy with multiple trackers, watchers, etc. . .and the claim didn't feel like a lie. There was nothing to cc there, from my perspective as a player. This isn't a normal or a newbie.

Once againt this hydra is contradicting itself

@TDK- if camn is reading the game, why didn't she CC ghost?

She must have missed it because as I said before, she made no mention about it to me in the QT. We would have been all over it had that been the case.

So you didn't even mention this to your hydra partner?

[Dunnstral]

So it looks like camn is saying lld/muffins is mafia?

[Dunnstral]

Why didn't I CC ghost? I am ~very~ comfy with multiple trackers, watchers, etc. . .and the claim didn't feel like a lie. There was nothing to cc there, from my perspective as a player. This isn't a normal or a newbie.

Once againt this hydra is contradicting itself

@TDK- if camn is reading the game, why didn't she CC ghost?

She must have missed it because as I said before, she made no mention about it to me in the QT. We would have been all over it had that been the case.

So you didn't even mention this to your hydra partner?

Also this contradiction opens up another one I talked about before: Camntsuki both said they would and wouldn't kill DGB and then said they said both because they never got the chance to talk to each other, but this is something that as town they'd be talking about with each other

[Dunnstral]

Why doesn't town discuss the person claiming tracker if their own role is tracker?

[Dunnstral]

Skygazer, can I convince you to shoot camntsuki tonight?

[Dunnstral]

Oh right, Claim.

I'm Taurus/Leo, the Entertainer. I'm a motivator.

When I target a player, all of their active abilities are unable to be prevented by any means.

It should be no surprise that I've been targeted my strongest town reads all game.

MariaR Night 1
Kuribo Night 2
Kuribo Night 3.

My flavour speaks about having a strong determined will, foresight and and honest and fearless personality. I'm a leader, stubborn but fair.

[Dunnstral]

MUFFINS WHICH NIGHT YOU TARGETED KURIBO

i gave kuribo the invention d2

Camn is double outed

[Dunnstral]

Like even if lld and muffinz are both scum and lied, it means camn is the feysal partner scum

[Dunnstral]

Well ya we sure know now.

Anyways it goes without saying I need some time to solve the game but I'm super happy with dunnstral dying. I can do the game solving after. There's 3 scum in 6 players, and ya, there's no way dunnstral is town there. The key here is sorting our masons. Then there's you, muffins and LLD left. As we've stated throughout the whole game, I think you're strong town. Muffins I leaned town after N1 for the reasons I outlined, and LLD I can't recall what she's done so I'd have to take a look there.

Everything rests on the masons. If they happen to be scum masons, then it just makes things easy. But if they happen to be real masons, then there's at least two scum out of you muffins and LLD. I've been snowed by you as scum before so I won't act like it's impossible for me to misread you (funny that it was a Fate game actually) but I'd like to think that I wouldn't make that mistake again.

For now though, I'll state again, you saw how dunnstral has played this game from start to now. There is no way it is in anyways town.

Muffinz leans town after claiming results in direct cc to their own - Camn was even in that conversation. After that LLD claims but Camn doesn't change attitudes.

[Dunnstral]

We didn't get any invention that I know of.

This is a counter claim

[Dunnstral]

i didnt target kuribo n2, i targeted him d2

your role conflict is with LLD

I don't believe this

Camn says you saw you target them n1 - so she did see you act at night. What were you doing if your ability targets during the day?

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N1 muffin - targeted us. No one targeted them

We didn't get any invention that I know of.

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my role doesn't tell me anything about cupcake. i thought cupcake had either copped me or had some way of knowing what my role was because he was strongly hinting at something like that (and the fact that i'm not dying for it suggests he wasn't worried about me handing out more stuff if he knew what i was)

i'm an inventor (virgo+something i forget = scientist). i don't know what my inventions actually are until after each night phase. i pick a player each night and based on how my star signs interact with theirs i get an invention i can hand out the following day. i can't pick the same player more than once in a game. N1 cupcake (gave invention to kuribo d2), N2 nacho got nothing, N3 LLD but there's no point in outing what it is. i'll give it to someone, they can say what it is if they want

Nevermind, I didn't read their role correctly before, everything is in order with what they claimed

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Can you point to where you thought you saw camn cop you?

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Oh well, even if they're town and lld is scum that means we just lose anyway since they won't reconsider on me, might as well keep going with them as scum

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There's a roleblocker scum, if lld isn't what she says she is (motivator) then I think we just lose anyway

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Also, I don't believe camn's claimed role in terms of power level. Watcher is insane, why would she be a tracker watcher?

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Maybe if you guys voted camn at day start when I said to instead of sitting around doing nothing so your friend that was obvious scum all game didn't get lynched we'd have won. Oh well.

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@mod Nacho hasn't posted in 10.5 days

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Nope, we have a better chance at winning if I'm alive. Your argument is wrong on a mechanical level (honestly it looks like you're scum claiming here anyway)

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Skygazer, please neighborize me tonight

LLD, you should motivate Skygazer (there was a claimed roleblock - if camn was telling the truth then it would be one of the masons with the roleblock)

Muffin, please give an invention to Skygazer if you are still able to

Can everyone confirm whether they are following these actions?

We have to assume LLD is town, because we likely just lose if she isn't and the roleblocker is real

scum is camn and the masons

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name 3 scum camn

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Camn are you playing solo right now?

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Nah what's pretty dumb is that the last post you made was 11 days ago when I told you not to mislynch nosferatu and you powered it through

Then you had the nerve to come in and try to mislynch me

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Can you give it to skygazer please?

Would she be able to use it the following night?

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except dunn is scum.

But he can get lynched later I guess.

What does this even mean in this situation

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Staeg, what are you doing with your vote there?

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Skygazer who did you neighborize? Because it certainly wasn't me

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He wasn't conf town before camn flipped, and you had to make the choice before katsuki flipped. why are you lying?

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My full role is that people who target someone who targets me at night is redirected to me, and the initial targeters of me are empowered in their actions

Staeg, do you have an ability you can target every night?

Muffin gave me a 1-shot watcher and nobody visited Skygazer

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It's pretty obvious that I'm not scum with feysal if you look at the way he treated me

Also, I voted him

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AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post 280.

Fair enough, but that is after the fact. It does nothing to explain why you brought it up in the first place.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.

You know, I have been trying to be patient with you. Yes, I said I found you suspicious, but I could not quite shake my hunch that you could be town anyway. But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

I have three points to make on this subject. One, I have not seen anyone lap up the idea that scum could not know the name of the town. I think I'm the only one who even mentioned town reading Kuribo because of the crumb, and I did it after it was confirmed that they knew. Two, it only takes one person to remind him of the possibility of fake claims. It would have been pointless for everyone to repeat the same thing. Three... I did not say that experienced players would call out Kuribo. I said they would not let him ride that to a win, and I remain confident of that.

There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo.

Three of those players also have way fewer posts than you do. Kuribo is being town read by most players. And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.

The "yikes" post should be showing up on your radar since Dunns is saying that it was in response to Muffina but is now changing it by saying it was to the thread in general and do you really not see the cog-dis here?

I've been trying to follow your conversation, but you've lost me here. What cognitive dissonance?

For my part, I think Dunnstral took those early reads from Muffin way too seriously. The number of times Cupcake was on that lynch list really should have been a clue about that.

I also don't buy that scum theater argument. I've never even heard about such a tell, my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other. Faking a conversation that long would have been too much effort for little gain, and people are lazy. I think Pixie is town, and so is Ghost, but I think she is just wrong about this one.

More posts just keep coming. I'm posting this now, reading more later.

I have barely skimmed the latest pages, but I need to post now because I don't know when I will get the next chance.

I will be on vacation until Thursday.

Can you give a current reads list or an idea of where you're currently at in terms of reads and why?

Off the top of my head, I have you, Pixie, Ghost and Kuribo as town reads. I remain somewhat suspicious of Dunnstral, but that is very uncertain. I had noted Staeg as a possible partner to Dunnstral due to his defense of him, but that sudden switch looks very bad. He could also be scum who was trying to earn town credit from opposing a mislynch, but has had to switch for his own survival. And yes, I remain suspicious of Espeonage as well.

But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.

You can't be serious.

I can. I've noticed your references to

experienced

players. They are both derisive and condescending, and they do nothing to encourage people to work with you. If you piss off people enough, they won't care whether you're town, they'll want you gone either way.

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I wasn't involved in a single mislynch this game

Read my iso, I don't think I've ever pushed or voted town past post ~500. Interested in hearing the argument of how I'm scum anywayeven though we went for a no lynch yesterday or how my interactions with feysal are 'bad'

This game was just the all friends group desperately lynching anyone else to save their friend from being lynched, I don't want to play in it anymore

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Dunn do people who get empowered by your role find out about it?

I can't tell if that flavor is hinting at multiball or if feysal was messing with us

The better question would: do we believe Feysal's claim about multiball now that he flipped scum? Muffin and Kuribo pushed the fact that there's no town motive for holding onto that like he did, and there wasn't - since he was scum.

Thoughts?

He could've just sent that information to throw us into a wild goose chase/sow - pun intended! - chaos.

Pedit:

Oh yeah. You exist in this game Nos. I tracked you last night. No result.

AND BEFORE ANYONE OUTS THEMSELF AS A PR!!! I became an Empowered Tracker as of D2 start after receiving my track result PM from Fate.

SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT IF YOU TARGTED ME LAST NIGHT AND ARE A TOWN PR.

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after pixie and then staeg last night didn't respond to me i thought i was roleblocked so I wasn't believing the motivator claim

To clarify, you thought you were targeted by a roleblocker that works during the day?

What you've been saying today doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me Skygazer.

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Uh, if you found yourself in a neighborhood I don't know how you can think you've been roleblocked. Like, your ability worked. If you were roleblocked there would be no neighborhood

Yes, I think day roleblocker would be an oddity.

after pixie and then staeg last night didn't respond to me i thought i was roleblocked

so I wasn't believing the motivator claim

Really? let's take a look

Oh right, Claim.

I'm Taurus/Leo, the Entertainer. I'm a motivator.

When I target a player, all of their active abilities are unable to be prevented by any means.

It should be no surprise that I've been targeted my strongest town reads all game.

MariaR Night 1
Kuribo Night 2
Kuribo Night 3.

My flavour speaks about having a strong determined will, foresight and and honest and fearless personality. I'm a leader, stubborn but fair.

lld's claim was that she targeted people at night, she never said it lasted for the next day or forever. So you being roleblocked during the day wouldn't be a reason to shoot her. Instead, one might wonder why the claimed inventor who gives inventions out during the day wasn't roleblocked over the neighborizor. Your patchwork logic is falling apart

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You're either VERY confused this game or you're making things up

Don't get me wrong, I'd have shot LLD if I were in your shoes. I wouldn't be tripping over my own feet, though, which is making me pause here

Here's what's going to happen:

Muffin is going to give an invention to Staeg.

Staeg is going to target me during the night - either with the invention or his own night action. This means any kills on staeg are redirected to me

Skygazer neighborizes Staeg, so she can confirm the invention was given to staeg

I don't think there's a roleblocker. How does this sound?

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Who did Nacho target last night with the doctor? Am I understanding that ability correctly?

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ok. I personally wouldn't assume it extended to day abilities but at the end of the day it was a fake claim anyway. I think once the masons became clear lld was obvious scum by poe. I said yesterday that lld was the wrong lynch because she wasn't aligned with feysal (she wasn't).

Here are my arguments for why I'm not scum based off feysal interactions:

I maintain that lld (who was scum) didn't have a real case on feysal at the time. So if you're looking at that and thinking I defended Feysal, I'll point out that I was attacking lld because she was scum pushing on someone using a fake thought process (or if it's real, I still disagree with her.)
Feysal hopped on the 'Dunn is the most toxic person in the game' thing along with camn, lld. All of those guys were scum and all of them were afraid of going against public opinion (which was scum dominated + kuribo and the cult following he brought into the game)
I voted Feysal when Camn wasn't working. I didn't think he could really hold the opinion that I was the problem in this game and so didn't care if he were gone. My vote never counted because pixie forced the hammer on kokichi but I didn't know about that at the time
Day 2 when people were defending a feysal shot, what was implied was that I should be shot instead

idk, I looked at muffin's feysal interactions and I wouldn't describe it as "bad" so I'm not sure what you two are on about. He looks like poe scum to me from Skygazer's kills but there's room for doubt that Skyazer slot is bussing, went to the mason to talk with them. Would scum have wanted to shoot the other scum today?

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prod

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i'm an inventor (virgo+something i forget = scientist). i don't know what my inventions actually are until after each night phase. i pick a player each night and based on how my star signs interact with theirs i get an invention i can hand out the following day. i can't pick the same player more than once in a game. N1 cupcake (gave invention to kuribo d2), N2 nacho got nothing,

N3 LLD but there's no point in outing what it is.

i'll give it to someone, they can say what it is if they want

You act like you know what your inventions do here, but:

oh yeah i gave staeg something. dunno what it does. dunno if it's day or night

* s h r u g *

he should have already got it though so he can ask about it

haven't done any reading yet. prob won't get around to doing anything til the weekend sorry. time-constrained lately

ps: im town

Act like you don't know here

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unvote and let time run out

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Unless this is going to be a problem tomorrow?

What happened? Was that your role staeg? Just don't use it tomorrow if so

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I'm ok with voting muffin

VOTE: Skygazer

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UNVOTE: skygazer

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You form a power couple, and know each other to be confirmed on the side of Order. You may talk here at Night:

LadyLambdadelta has been killed

they were The Entertainer, Taurus: To Build+Leo: To Enjoy

an Order aligned soul.

Yeah wait a second, huh?

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Except the last mafia is chaos aligned so *shrug*