Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]

[Myloninja13]

Hey guys, I'm here!

[Myloninja13]

I think I'm going to sheep BUL here lol

VOTE: mastina

[Myloninja13]

Yo I'm back.

[Myloninja13]

Yo Mylo

Some people are voting you. What do you have to say about that?

Not really much, I get their reasoning? I haven't really done many towny things yet lol.

[Myloninja13]

I feel like I should mention something related to the Encore idea, but I'm worried I'll get scumread for it. Should I say it?

[Myloninja13]

I have literally never been a town PR in any completed game here.

[Myloninja13]

After I have dinner, I can answer that!

[Myloninja13]

I think you're town, just by consistent strong playing. I don't know why Mutant was scumread for his PR-no-crumbing idea, and the rest of his play looks similar to his town game I've seen.

I want to townread Awoo, but I can't justify why I do? I think I'm having a rare gut read with that, but considering my history of gut reads I'd likely not trust this one lol. Don't really trust implosion, but I have bias there because I've lost every town game where I was lynched day 1. I'm just confused about Kokichi lol.

Not really any other reads here, sorry. Would you like me to link my two scum games here?

[Myloninja13]

Oh.

So do you want me to link my two scum games though?

[Myloninja13]

Your vote. You were my strongest town read, so I sheeped your vote.

[Myloninja13]

That's fair, but it's better than my personal alternative of no vote.

[Myloninja13]

Hi sorry I can get to this today!

[Myloninja13]

Woah, why is BNL being wagoned? He's like my only strong townread here lol.

[Myloninja13]

Hi guys, I heard my name being mentioned!

[Myloninja13]

I don't know lol.

[Myloninja13]

I don't think its BNL or you though, if that helps!

[Myloninja13]

He's my obligatory "Strong player" townread.

[Myloninja13]

Without really intending to, I generally find an experienced player who is townish, and just sheep them until I have any idea on what to do. This game, it's BNL!

[Myloninja13]

Simple questioning, being calm but still playing and also not immediately scum reading me helped.

implosion said "Designated lynch" and I was out lol. Even if that was a joke, I just ahhh at that phrase.

Wisdom hadn't really caught my attention yet then.

And I kinda just didn't like mutants posting.

[Myloninja13]

And I kinda just didn't like mutants posting.

Well that's just rude.

Sorry sorry i didn't mean to be rude. I should clarify, I meant in this game, your posting in other games is good!

[Myloninja13]

I am once again being mentioned, so I shall show my face!

Would you like me to answer any questions?

[Myloninja13]

I am once again being mentioned, so I shall show my face!

Would you like me to answer any questions?

What's your overall opinion of me, right now? You mentioned thinking my calling you a Designated Lynch was vaguely cringe-worthy; can you elaborate?

I think you're a light townread? You seem to be putting effort and energy into the game.

And yeah, 'designated lynch' is a phrase I don't really like. It kinda falls along the 'policy lynch' banner, which I'm not a fan of.

[Myloninja13]

Hi guys! This is a cool set-up!

[Myloninja13]

I've kinda got a photographic memory, I generally remember stuff that I find important, interesting or memorabe.

The Worst, you get my prestigious town lean award!

[Myloninja13]

He has had 20 posts to give content and contribute to the game, yet half the time he is prod dodging and the other half of the time he is giving as little content as humanly possible while still producing content.

From my experience, this about sums up what you should be expecting from Mylo.

I may have to start learning how to construct actual content soon lol.

[Myloninja13]

I'm going to keep sheeping my townreads!

VOTE: Esp

[Myloninja13]

Woah but thanks!

[Myloninja13]

Hi guys, sorry I have to be away for a bit. But I'll be back in no time .

V/LA 26th Tuesday 7pm to 27th Friday 8am AEST

[Myloninja13]

I'm back now from my V/LA, so I can get to this now!

[Myloninja13]

I heard my name being called!

[Myloninja13]

It means that scum are unlikely to night kill us?

[Myloninja13]

It means that scum are unlikely to night kill us?

Nope! Noooooooot even remotely close.

Wait, why would scum nightkill us lol? We're some of the most scumread players here, and we're confirmed VT! I mean... unless we have perfect reads? But I have no idea with reads lol.

[Myloninja13]

Bing Bing! You have mentioned my name!

[Myloninja13]

If you ask me some questions, I can answer them if you'd like!

[Myloninja13]

I like the post for seeming genuine? And Awoo overall is kinda null for me? I dunno, the kind of 'Not fully caring' mould of players is particularly hard for me to read lol.

And I haven't really had a reason to change it yet? I don't have any real scum reads here lol, so right now I'm just kind of doing whatever.

[Myloninja13]

I'm thinking this is town!TW by the way, so I can begin sheeping you if you'd like?

[Myloninja13]

You can cop me if you'd like too!

[Myloninja13]

That was hammer!

[Myloninja13]

Hi, I'm here!

[Myloninja13]

Feeling like implosion is town here.

[Myloninja13]

It's g-g-g-guilty time!

[Myloninja13]

I kinda just want to lynch Koki here tbh

[Myloninja13]

I mean... they are, you know, likely scum lol. And can't they just venge TW if he's lying anyway lol?

[Myloninja13]

Hypothetically, hypothetical situations are hypothetically hypothetical.

[Myloninja13]

Honestly just VOTE: Koki

[Myloninja13]

I've only rolled mafia one other time before now, which is from this game: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75529

It's not quite a mafia goon, but unfortunately, it's almost the same thing lol.

[Myloninja13]

A Koki flip would indeed help.

[Myloninja13]

Also Mylo having been PGO means that targeting him to test ascetic is NOT a good idea.

Yeah, it kinda sucks that I had to have that other mafia role because otherwise literally any visiting role could've confirmed me as town.

Anyway, I personally think you're town here regardless, so I'm fine if you can't confirm yourself as town like that.

[Myloninja13]

I obviously haven't lol.

[Myloninja13]

Can we please like just lynch Koki lol.

[Myloninja13]

Like, I just don't get why we aren't just straight up lynching Koki here!?

[Myloninja13]

Like, if we won't lynch Koki I'm not really liking an implosion lynch. Then where do we go?

[Myloninja13]

^^As much as I’m seeing, Kokichi looks like he’s trolling right now. Can’t blame him because it’s his best play when there is a guilty against him but he’s not being lynched due to my vig.

^Thats up to you. Do you have any suggestions for an alternative lynch?

Not really, and that's an extra reason why I'm so strong on this Koki lynch. I don't really find anyone else suspicious here, so like I want to lynch the conf!scum. Besides, I'm kinda worried I'll just be lynched because I'm a VT.

[Myloninja13]

Sorry for this, but can I ask what's the general reasoning on implosion!Scum? From what I've seen, I'd give them a light town read.

[Myloninja13]

Im.shooting BNL btw. Have fun. Dont blame me if they flip town, considering you idiots wouldn't do anything optimal.

Are you saying this just so he doesn't hammer lol?

[Myloninja13]

So... what's the problem with lynching Koki and leaving less scum, even if they have a power? We likely have two "clearing" roles, so even if they had a roleblock or something we'd still be fine.

[Myloninja13]

So... if there's one scum left that means that they can't even roleblock and kill, meaning it's even better for us.

[Myloninja13]

This may be a perfect town win!

[Myloninja13]

tfw from anyone other than MyLo I'd call that a cheeky scum popin

Oh lol. I mean, we've only had one town dead and two mafia dead. That's a very good ratio so far!

[Myloninja13]

I mean, you did get a mafia member anyway lol. And besides, like I said we've got a great ratio of town to mafia kills so far!

[Myloninja13]

So... what should we do here?

[Myloninja13]

I'm fine either way when it comes to mass claiming here. I feel like we've got this regardless

[Myloninja13]

It's good to see Pine entering the game; it'd be great to hear from him and EP some more depth on their thought processes throughout the game. And to hear from maragnal's replacement, of course.

Myloninja, do you have any particular suspects at this point? Any townreads other than the consensus ones?

Sorry to disappoint, but not really? I have a null pile full of people who haven't given me a reason to townread them I guess?

[Myloninja13]

Actually, is no lynching a good idea here at all?

@Mod Koki doesn't exist anymore lol.

[Myloninja13]

Pine wagon is good!

VOTE: Pine

[Myloninja13]

This is L-1

oh... Should I unvote then?

[Myloninja13]

No, I was just pointing out it's L-1 so no one hammers accidently.

Okay, all good!

[Myloninja13]

WAGON WHEELS

VOTE: Gamma

[Myloninja13]

I'm very fine with an EP/Implo scum pool. Won't vote yet so we have some time, but I'm pretty sure we've got this.

[Myloninja13]

I sure hope whatever PR mess is going on behind the scenes is solving the game if this flips town

^Also this lol^.

[Myloninja13]

I guess I'll vote implosion lol?

VOTE: Implosion

[Myloninja13]

Is everyone else in the lynch pool eliminated by some PR thing or what? Why is it just me and implosion?
Also I think that its a townmove for implosion to insist upon reading the only other person in the lynchpool as town despite him having ample trajectory to start scumreading me

I feel out of the loop here too lol, but I think so. But to be safe, maybe just avoid talking about it lol.

[Myloninja13]

So I'm still here but like not at the same time lol.

[Myloninja13]

Myloninja I had a dream that you got replaced by someone who doesn't even exist and you were posting like "wait what, why was I replaced" in this thread and you were complaining about it which got you site banned.

Also, there were zombies and I'm pretty sure I was eaten whilst reading mafia but that's dreams I guess.

That sounds fun lol!

[Myloninja13]

I'm fine with an implosion lynch today.

[Myloninja13]

HAHA lol. Best game state ever lol.

I'll be a little safe before hammering but just like lol.

[Myloninja13]

Wait what, when did I get mason status?

I think it's a joke, that you and mastina have like conf!town'ed each other lol.

[Myloninja13]

Yeah, like who's the scum if it's not EP? I really don't think it can be anyone else here.

[Myloninja13]

Let's have EP come in here and claim and say whatever before we lynch him

Yeah this lol.

[Myloninja13]

I am very confused right now

[Myloninja13]

This is MYLO, so it's time for me to shine

[Myloninja13]

Also, NO ONE VOTE BECAUSE YOU COULD LOSE THE GAME FOR US

[Myloninja13]

Maybe but probably dont kill
mylo
Mastina

A birdie told me that we should never lynch either of those 2.

I say told me, but what I really mean in that I overheard the conversation whilst hiding in a tree to survive the onslaught of frogs.

I need sleep.

This quote by Mutant implies Awoo scum? But like they'd have to claim what the hell is happening lol

[Myloninja13]

So.

mutant.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.

Because everyone alive is someone you've claimed a hide behind.

Is he a weak hider? And how do you know this lol

[Myloninja13]

Has Awoo said the entire list of roles they've been?

[Myloninja13]

I can say my list of roles if it helps?

Before this game started, I've only ever been VT, ascetic mafia and 1-Shot PGO mafia.

[Myloninja13]

Mutant, please fullclaim in thread thanks

[Myloninja13]

Did BNL claim who they copped?

[Myloninja13]

If a weak hider hid behind a Godfather, would they still die?

[Myloninja13]

Trying to make sense of this is crazy lol

[Myloninja13]

VOTE: errantparabola see you guys in 2 days

Awoo, why did you do this?

[Myloninja13]

Because the claims are insignificant until tomorrow. Aka the claims are insignificant.

If I still had my vote I'd vote again right now.

???

[Myloninja13]

This is confusing me

[Myloninja13]

Wait is scum just Mutant lol. Let me check

[Myloninja13]

WHAT IS YOUR ROLE MUTANT THANKS?

[Myloninja13]

ALSO MUTANT STOP BUDDYING MASTINA THANKS!

[Myloninja13]

I HAVE TO GO BUT CLAIM MUTANT AND THEN CLAIM MASTINA AND DO NOT VOTE THANKS BYE!

[Myloninja13]

I just read this and what lol. So Mutant is a weak hider, but maybe only for werewolves, but maybe not and somehow mastina figured that out and then they had this secret talk for the whole time and weirdly cleared everyone here so it must be wrong but then Awoo calls out mutant for doing that but then immediately turns around on me because I'm the only one they can mislynch?

Like, what even lol.

[Myloninja13]

No lynching isn't a bad option here, but like I don't think Mastina is scum and the more I read Mutant's explanation I think the more I find him town so I'm kinda left looking at one person. Not going to tunnel though, MYLO is usually where I'm not terrible lol so I'm going to find the best information.

[Myloninja13]

VOTE: errantparabola see you guys in 2 days

Awoo, WHY DID YOU DO THIS? You did not have to hammer him, we had heaps of time, and you thought he was town! Did you want to, you know, talk about that?

[Myloninja13]

Okay so I think I'm considering mutant Conf!town here, the no kill doesn't make sense unless he did that himself? Which is a... thing that could have happened I guess but like I CAN'T GO THERE because I'm not going to let myself implode with self-confusion and worry.

[Myloninja13]

Technically mastina could be mafia? I guess? But like mafia did shoot for mutant so like I don't think so lol?

And Awoo just casually turning around and pointing a finger at me as scum is a good 4 times more suspicious than anything mastina's done lol.

[Myloninja13]

so we might as well go over it - who you visited each night in order mutant?

facepalm at mylo not calling me mafia btw.

He is in the exact same position as me and he refuses to call me out. instead my suspecting him is "4x suspicious". please notice how fucking skeevy this is all this fake confusion

I ought to make a post calling out how easy it is to play the fake town newbie card but mylo's ISO writes that post itself. he has done nothing towny and I am very towny and I am in a 1v1 with him. Somehow he doesn't want to call out this 1v1.


HEY MYLO YOU FAT FUCK IF I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO SUSPECT YOU, WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO SUSPECT???

MUTANT??? NO HES A HIDER
MASTINA??? NO YOU SAID IT YOURSELF

WOW WHO DOES THAT LEAVE???
stupid mafia shading me so bad calling you OUT HOMIE

just call me xXxLOGICAL_REASONINGxXx

...What is this post Awoo? Like, seriously what lol

[Myloninja13]

I ought to make a post calling out how easy it is to play the fake town newbie card but mylo's ISO writes that post itself.

Why am I getting Ank!Scum vibes from you... When I was in a final 3 LYLO with Ank and conf!town Alisae, Ank did a big case on me that was pretty much just "He's acting as a newb dumb town but it's all fake", but I do that in EVERY TOWN GAME of mine and in literally no scum game of mine. Like, why is THIS your case??

[Myloninja13]

Should we no lynch today or just get it over with? I'm pretty sure no matter if maf is Awoo or mastina they're probably just going to to kill Mutant anyway lol.

[Myloninja13]

Yeah, we have heaps of time to make a decision anyway. We don't need to rush here.

[Myloninja13]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MYLO IS MAFIA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

discrediting me
comparing me to some random person I'm not

FUCKING PPUSHING LIGHT SCUM ON ME WHEN IM NOT SCUM (and you refuse to call me scum just "hhmmmm idk kinda suspicious xD my win condition is lynch anyone but myself xD")

is your strategy just to be the "calm rational one" while I REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE at you and you say hahah guys look at how crazy he is must be a mafia omg like what is this post even am i right? "im not going to evaluate content I am just going to discredit and shade haha you know we dont share the same win con you need to lynch mafia but i need to lynch town which is anyone but myself so im keeping my options open who knows maybe mastina is mafia hahah and we are just assuming mutant is town haha maybe he isnt haha "

WHAT ARE YOU DOING AWOO!?!?

[Myloninja13]

Do you wanna 1 VS. 1? I haven't had a chance to do that before lol

[Myloninja13]

you're not reading my posts. if you read my post you would not have made that reply.

??? I read that post and the point of it pretty much is I'm scum because you're town and that's why I'm uncertain on who scum is? Like, what's the evidence against me other than you being totally

obviously

town?

[Myloninja13]

Do you actually know how I even play as scum?

[Myloninja13]

if I had to guess i think your scumgame is quite obtuse since that is what I am getting right now!!!

Hey buddy who u think the mafai is? u think it is me? cause i call u mafia? u think it is mastina? u think it is fakeclaiming mutant? take a stance you seem like you're NOT playing hte game

You said I was bleeding town last page, it's not like I'm the only one lacking a stance here lol.

And from the first line I'll just assume no lol.

[Myloninja13]

Awoo, what would you say makes you obviously town here?

[Myloninja13]

d1d2

Okay lol, the time for jokes is probably over Awoo.

[Myloninja13]

At this point I am not playing to convince mutant that I'm town, because I don't think you're a very good player and I'm not confident you will figure this game out LOL thats not a good thing to say to someone you're trying to convince but its true LOLOLOL.

I am trying to convince mastina that I am town so that she can ram it down your throat for me. I think I have done a good enough job and I am miles outside my scum range while mylo is sitting comfortably within his.

Awoo, have you actually seen my scum range? I'm all okay for you defending yourself but please don't make stuff up lol.

[Myloninja13]

I... don't actually really know what to say here lol. I mean, I could begin screaming but I like I think I've somewhat evolved past that lol. I'll be on later tonight if anyone wants to have a quick time talk, but right now I have to go to school sorry.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I'm free for ages now so I'll start on pretty much my first ever actual case on scum! Because at this point I really doubt anyone but Awoo is mafia lol.

First up, AWOO PLEASE ANSWER THIS:

VOTE: errantparabola see you guys in 2 days

Awoo, WHY DID YOU DO THIS? You did not have to hammer him, we had heaps of time, and you thought he was town! Did you want to, you know, talk about that?

I don't understand why you hammered someone you thought was town!?!? There was plenty of time, we could've talked about this, how did you know he was town?!?!

mylo can't slip, he has never been town PR and its all he has been saying all game. he's either mafia asetic or 1-shot PGO.

The case for me town is easy: I have played miles outside my scumrange on days 1 and 2. mylo lurked and remained sort of in the on the top of the suspiscion list but for some reason we decided to keep him alive the whole game because he claimed VT and wasn't really hurting anyone. Mutant you're talking to me like someone who just replaced in and has no idea what happened this game. I take it you weren't very engaged?

How have you played miles out of your scumrange? How were you not in the top of the suspicion list as well? You do realise every point here works the other way around lol?

btw wisdom was 2 out of 3 for his d1 scumteam

kokichi, mylo, implosion

Assosciatives

Kokichi never once talked about myloninja, talked a lot about me
Espeonage never once talked about myloninja, calls me lynchbait, later votes me as he goes down in flames.

Anyone who thinks I am still mafia go read my interactions with kokichi and compare them to other scum games. I struggle so much in forum mafia acting naturally to my partners and boom more evidence for me town.

PEDIT:

1. 4 finger plan, my post with ABCD in it. You being hider explains the nokill n2. The nokill had to come from someone targeting you. Mastina caught onto your crumbs and would not have target you. Given that implosion is a backup vig, it would make sense if your role really was the one that dies if it hides behind WW's and not mafia since the mod is proven to be trolly. Mylo and I did suspect you were a PR (well maybe since you claimed it) and an investigative. I am innocent. -> mylo is mafia

So why do any of those associatives make me scum lol? They didn't talk about me because A) I've never played with them before and B) I lurked most of the day. If they did talk about me, I'd actually find that more suspicious. And in post 696 , Esp literally tells BNL to cop Imp over you! And none of their bussing at the end of day really looks like they actually wanted you dead, a vote so "they didn't get lynched" and calling a post of yours null.

And where did I ever suspect anyone as a PR lol. I just went along with whatever people I trusted were thinking lol.

so we might as well go over it - who you visited each night in order mutant?

facepalm at mylo not calling me mafia btw.

He is in the exact same position as me and he refuses to call me out. instead my suspecting him is "4x suspicious". please notice how fucking skeevy this is all this fake confusion

I ought to make a post calling out how easy it is to play the fake town newbie card but mylo's ISO writes that post itself. he has done nothing towny and I am very towny and I am in a 1v1 with him. Somehow he doesn't want to call out this 1v1.


HEY MYLO YOU FAT FUCK IF I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO SUSPECT YOU, WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO SUSPECT???

MUTANT??? NO HES A HIDER
MASTINA??? NO YOU SAID IT YOURSELF

WOW WHO DOES THAT LEAVE???
stupid mafia shading me so bad calling you OUT HOMIE

just call me xXxLOGICAL_REASONINGxXx

I have no idea how to even start with this post. For starters, why would not calling you out as mafia be suspicious? I was trying to understand what the hell is happening, and actually put more effort into it then a quick heel turn to the only mislynch target like you did. AND HOW ARE YOU TOWNY I DONT GET IT?!?! I have seen nothing that made me think of you as town!

I... I don't know how to how to say anything else just WHY DID YOU POST THIS? I don't even like just WHY?!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MYLO IS MAFIA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

discrediting me
comparing me to some random person I'm not

FUCKING PPUSHING LIGHT SCUM ON ME WHEN IM NOT SCUM (and you refuse to call me scum just "hhmmmm idk kinda suspicious xD my win condition is lynch anyone but myself xD")

is your strategy just to be the "calm rational one" while I REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE at you and you say hahah guys look at how crazy he is must be a mafia omg like what is this post even am i right? "im not going to evaluate content I am just going to discredit and shade haha you know we dont share the same win con you need to lynch mafia but i need to lynch town which is anyone but myself so im keeping my options open who knows maybe mastina is mafia hahah and we are just assuming mutant is town haha maybe he isnt haha "

Sorry for discrediting you in whatever way I did that. Sorry for comparing you to a scum player who used the exact same flawed logic that you did. But then I DON"T GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?! You call me scum because you're town?? The literal most basic defense ever that doesn't prove anything?

And I'll tell you something, I'm certainly not calling you scum for being crazy, I'm calling you scum for having zero evidence of being town other than just freaking saying it, for calling me scum based on things that apply to yourself but also not actually putting even good evidence

IN THAT

. Role playing as me being mafia doesn't prove anything, I could roleplay the mutant as a WW but it wouldn't prove anything! I-I just struggle to understand what your actual argument is here!
AHHHHHHHHHH



Okay, I'll calm down sorry, I just don't get it. Whatsoever.

you're not reading my posts. if you read my post you would not have made that reply.

I did and I did again anyway and got the same sort of reply.

hint hint: incriminating evidence right here hint hint

I really am sorry but what? You thinking I'm not reading your posts is indication of me being scum? That... is at least an argument but like why would I not read your posts as scum? I'd read them no matter my alignment lol, it's literally just reading the game.

if I had to guess i think your scumgame is quite obtuse since that is what I am getting right now!!!

Hey buddy who u think the mafai is? u think it is me? cause i call u mafia? u think it is mastina? u think it is fakeclaiming mutant? take a stance you seem like you're NOT playing hte game

So no. You have not read my scumgames.

And role playing as me again is sure to prove me as scum, it definitely is not useless at all! But I guess not taking a stance can occasionally be a scum tell, but not for me lol. I fake awful stances as scum, and I pretty much never have strong stances as scum lol.

mylo stop FUCKING SHADING ME and come at me you coward

please tell me you are seeing this people

Done.

Do you also really think this role would exactly make the scum team balanced to the power that town had?

Oh btw if you think I'm mafia i am a mafia goon while mylo is 100% a PR

Do you think that that role would exactly make the scum team balanced to the power that town had?

I mean, there was a back up vig that did nothing and a weak hider that did nothing so it's not exactly lopsided?

Mastina was just throwing out a suggestion when she said "the NK could have come from PGO", when i think it is much more likely mylo is a mafia ascetic who targeted mutant n2 who was hiding elsewhere.

It screws with so much in the setup. Case in point:

Mylo gets BNL'd. He convinces him not to use the vig. Lol u got roleblocked haha looks like mafia have a roleblocker!!!! Im innocent!!'
Mylo gets tracked by TW. Haha nope I am immune to that! I'm VT!!!!! lol!! mafia has a roleblokcer!!
Mylo gets visited by the weak doctor. (not sure if wisdom dies maybe he gets roleblocked or sth im not sure how asetic works really first time seeing it) but if wisdom survives that's a false positive inno.
Mylo gets hid behind. Mutant doesn't die because
1. he only dies from werewolves and mylo is a mafia
2. he dies from hiding behind mafia but he tried to target an asetic and it failed

boom another false positive.

So yeah mylo does have a pretty good counter to all the town PR's as asetic. Idk about the PGO thing but asetic makes sense here.

This could have been a good argument if Mutant didn't disprove it later lol.

So yeah
1. im town
2. if im mafia its 3 goons VS tracker / 1shot delayed copvig / hider / 2shot weak doctor ---- yeahhhh

So the hider was in its own way kind of an anti-town role but if we just remove it then we've really not got anything I find that wrong? A 2 shot weak doctor, a tracker and a 1-shot delayed copvig? I really see no problem with this being 3 goons at all, and the mod obviously didn't either.

So let's go through this:

You want to call me mafia because I'm weird. Not sure how I am not paying attention to whats in the game. You're gonna have to tell me what I am missing other then boring speculation on what happened on what night instead of playing the game.

But here's the thing:

0. Assume that I am a mafia goon.

1. I know that someone in my faction targeted you on night 2 and the kill failed. (its unreasonable to assume kokichi and me put in no kill for the night lolol)
2. For the sake of the argument pretend that for some reason I don't care about PR's and I ignore crumbs like I did this game as VT.
3. I see your hider claim today and it all clicks and makes sense to me. I need to mislynch mylo or mastina for the win.
4. And instead for some reason I jump on you and call you mafia and don't believe your claim.

Contradiction. Then I don't make sense as mafia.

Assume that mylo is mafia.

He knows you're hider based on 1, 2, and 3.
5. He knows he must mislynch awoo or mastina for the win today.
6. He makes sure to keep his options open, sits back, and lightly throws shade at awoo while not making a hard stance on mastina. Making fun of and pointing out awoo's erratic posting style is sure to gain points with mutant the town aligned player, who is suspicious of awoo for (bad) reasons.



But really, you're talking to me like someone who is confbiased and will never change thier mind. You're jumping on me because I am confrontational and low charisma. Mylo is sitting on his ass and shading the FUCK out of me while refusing to take a stance and for some reason everyone is just content to do nothing about it.

Your win condition isn't to lynch people you don't like, it's to lynch the mafia. Mafia can be likable.

Okay, its time for everyone's favourite game, counter the arguments!

1. This isn't an argument but I guess so?
2. You did say you thought Mutant was a PR... so you kinda, you know, did notice the crumbs?
3. Or you could've seen Mastina being suspicious of him and thought it'd be an easy mislynch?
4. The same thing, I mean if Mastina was convinced of Mutant being scum I very much doubt you'd have heel turned on me.

5. Yeah?
6. This does come back to not reading any of my games, but I have approximately zero plans as scum lol. I just yell in the mafia thread until I'm dead. And yet you think I could actually just pull off this plan because???

Mutant has played with you before, I'm sure if he's not just doing that because you can have some crazy moments in some of your posts. And again why is 'shading' you and not taking stances scummy for me lol?

I'd also like to point out that you clearly aren't paying attention to what is currently going on in the game and are instead fixated on trying to make yourself look better than mylo through any means neccessary. That's evidently your only objective.

From the opening post, I win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town player is alive. Mylo is a threat to the town as he is a mafia asetic. Thank you for understanding.

I hate this post but I think I've been mean enough today so I'll just say I think this is very eye roll worthy.

So I explained why my thought process doesn't make sense if I'm mafia, so now I will explain how it makes sense from a town POV.

How did I go from trying to kill mutant to mylo?????

1478 - mutant's post is in a shit eating smug tone that pisses me off. Makes me suspicious of his role. WTF is a hider that isn't a hider? Sounds fake to me!! mylo and mastina must be town by POE. Also the wifom at the end of the post was super gross to me. "i would never pull such a gambit as mafia" read to me at the time like "i would never be dumb enough to make a fakeclaim and get caught exactly like I am now".

So from that I think mutant is fakeclaiming mafia.

Then mastina posts 1484.

After reading this, I understand how mutant can be a hider without being a hider -- he's a hider that only dies when he visits WW's and not mafia. ohhhhhhhh. I immediately take that new information into consideration and clear mutant and mastina in a single post: 1491.

Since I have cleared 2 of the town and I know myself that I am town, the only mafia can be myloninja and it is my duty as town to put all effort into getting him lynched today.

I will never reevaluate mastina because
1. she is town from previous days.
2. she would never have tried to kill mutant n2

I will never reevaluate mutant as town because
1. this explains the nokill n2

I will never reevaluate mylo as mafia because
1. everyone but him is confirmed town to me.

So you were immediately considering them town without reconsidering it or looking into it more? Like, I don't get how that's supposed to prove you as town lol. From my perspective, I barely knew what was happening and just was in awe of Mutant and mastina somehow talking without even letting anyone else know. And then when I was trying to see who was mafia from that, you just suddenly pointed at me and just called me mafia with no evidence and then called me suspicious for not knowing who was scum and then saying because I didn't immediately call you scum that I was scum for not just admitting without considering other options that it had to be me or you?

At this point I am not playing to convince mutant that I'm town, because I don't think you're a very good player and I'm not confident you will figure this game out LOL thats not a good thing to say to someone you're trying to convince but its true LOLOLOL.

I am trying to convince mastina that I am town so that she can ram it down your throat for me. I think I have done a good enough job and I am miles outside my scum range while mylo is sitting comfortably within his.

XD LOL Mutant you're kinda not good cause you think I'm scum HeHe.

Wow, love my role playing? Anyway I just again really don't like this post. You say you're not playing to convince him but you insulted him and said that's not a good thing to say to someone you are convincing?? And you're convincing Mastina who has no experience with me and believed I was scummier than you?

And again, like say whatever about why I'm scum from arguments and stuff but please DON'T MAKE STUFF UP. You have not read my scum range, please don't just lie to make a better sounding sentence. I hate lying, it's why I mostly hate being mafia lol so please don't try that.

thanks for the greenlight mastina

VOTE: myloninja

The reason I don't vote is because uhhh idk really but I am calling him out for not only not voting but also not explicitly taking any stances on the game.

Awoo, assume that I KNOW I wasn't attacked night 2 and I KNOW it's because the mafia just didn't use their night kill.

That devalues everything you just said.

OK so mylo is a PGO good to know. Any reason why you keep witholding information from me the townie? I'm clearly in the dark as to what happened on night actions and I'm making guesses as to what the most reasonble outcome is << lol

I mean, I guess since it's MYLO and not LYLO you can vote, and at this point I struggle not to see you as scum here anyway. But you 'calling him out for not only not voting but also not explicitly taking any stances on the game' is again something that doesn't actually prove me as scum?!?! YOU DIDN'T VOTE EITHER, AND I WAS WORRIED WE'D LOSE THE GAME BY VOTING IN MYLO.

The last bit is also something I hate, but again at this point I've been enough of a jerk so I'll just say this. You have decided I'm scum for either no reasoning, basic unprovable reasoning or somewhat okay reasoning if not for you also doing it. So I think it's too late to make the 'most reasonable outcome' considering you've already come to an outcome that makes no sense.





Oh my lord that was literally the most effort I've ever put into MafiaScum. But yeah, sorry Awoo for being annoying and shouting but like I do really think you're mafia here and I am not letting town lose yet another easily won game!

[Myloninja13]

oh wow! look at that deadline. You're gong to have to flail faster, mylo

I really don't want to seem rude but aren't you just shading me here, the thing you said I shouldn't do?

[Myloninja13]

Oh god, we have to do this again lol.

[Myloninja13]

Awoo, just for now please don't vote. This kill means I think there's a bit more chance of Mastina scum tbh, and it also means that the night 2 no kill was not someone shooting Mutant and him hiding, so Mastina doesn't get a townread for that.

[Myloninja13]

I am going to attempt to solve this tonight, but untl then neither of you vote please. We have a good 6 days, we don't have to worry about losing yet.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I'm here and officially in roaring mode. I AM SOLVING THIS GAME, NO MATTER THE COSTS!

[Myloninja13]

First up, I should probably explain why either of you should even believe why I'm town lol. Unfortunately, the main point is meta, but considering that's mostly Awoo's point it shouldn't be too hard lol.

I like to believe my town and scum metas are absolutely nothing like each other. This is mostly because of a very simple point. I HATE being mafia. It's just tolerable enough in marathons, but in long games it's awful. I feel bad for lying and feel like everything I say just proves me as obvious scum. And most of the time, it does. Here's the only two scum full games I've played on here before:

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75853

And more importantly, the dreaded scum PT's:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=75531
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=75849

Notably, in both those games I literally commit SUICIDE over continuing, which yeah kinda sums up my scum meta lol.

Now, I'm not going to point out specific town games of mine (Because that could be manipulated lol) but honestly even looking at some of my less involved town games should give you a pretty solid understanding of my town game lol.

Now, if you've done both of those it's likely you've either come to the conclusion that A) Being scum with Myloninja13 absolutely sucks or B) Myloninja13's town and scum meta are very distinct.

And going off of those, you can then compare this fine game to what you've seen and come up with your own verdict! And if you aren't 100% satisfied with your read on me, you can get your money back! (Or I guess I'll prove myself more I guess I dunno?)

[Myloninja13]

Now, back to the whole 'finding scum' thing.

Awoo, once you have time can you please counter my wall on you? Your responses will be a big help to me discovering who scum is, and also means that Mastina can judge things based on what they see.

[Myloninja13]

Mastina, can you share a link to your most recent completed scum game/s? I'm more of a meta-person than an analysis person, but for this game I understand I'm going to have to do more lol.

[Myloninja13]

Now, I mentioned that this kill makes Mastina!Scum more likely imo. Right now if I got a gun put to my head I'd still pick Awoo but this death really does confuse me.

Because I can't see why either Awoo or I would go for Mutant? Unless Awoo is some genius who knew Mutant was lying about his role that they didn't even really knew he had until a day before anyway, what use is it to go for a hider hiding elsewhere? And if you think I'm scum, why would I do the same thing? Even if I somehow knew he was lying anyway, why would I attack him??

[Myloninja13]

Huh.

because awoo is town

i dont want to lynch awoo

kokichi, mylo, implosion

if you want to flashwagon someone I'm always up for mylo

hey tw
doesnt mylo lack this transparent newbtown feel he had in coalition here? Or was i just biased there because scum

mostly agree with these reads i guess
though id rather pressure mylo
the rest are harder to read

Mylo feels different than town-him

also
VOTE: mylo
i should be sheeped

Happy with my Mylo vote currently

I'm pretty sure Mylo is the player most frequently mentioned by Wisdom, consistently as a scumread. He also died saying he didn't want to lynch Awoo.

That

does

look kinda bad for Mylo.

I am a bit disappointed in Wisdom for hilariously misreading me, but they're probably disappointed enough themselves anyway so I won't attack them or anything. But yeah, that is one WOAH ISO. I guess at that point in that game I probably hadn't really been a newb town yet, but aside from that I think the main problem is Wisdom isn't comparing this game to my scum game, but another town game. My town games all have unique flares, but the common link is they're nothing like my scum games.

But the whole 'defending Awoo' is a good point, and I dunno why Awoo would agree to kill Wisdom after that? Not sure if Wisdom hinted at being doctor, but if not this honestly points further to Mastina!Scum. Which kinda

really

sucks, because if Mastina is scum I've got an uphill mountain on top of a bigger uphill mountain to climb to get town to win this.

[Myloninja13]

HI mastina! effort comes tomorrow. thanks for your posts, if you're mafia you've probably already won.

My God, I really want you to be scum right now. Because I might honestly become as salty as the Red Sea if we lose this because you couldn't consider Mastina as scum.

[Myloninja13]

I'm kinda putting off going through ISO's because they're probably going to be torturous but like I know I have to do them AHHHHHHH

[Myloninja13]

Okay fine I'm going to check Mastina's ISO now but like just to glimpse because It's late and I can't deal with doing too much game-solving in one spot so like yeah.

This is with no exaggeration the most effort I've ever put into MafiaScum my lord. I have no idea how people can do this all the time honestly

[Myloninja13]

Mastina did call Koki scum and called out the BNL wagon in which Esp was on... and if Awoo is scum than they nailed them say 1 very strongly too... My glimpse is +Town points for Mastina.

[Myloninja13]

I think that's it for tonight, see tomorrow for part 2 of Mylo's extensive "How Not To Lose" program, thanks!

Also, DO. NOT. VOTE. I consider voting right now a scum claim.

[Myloninja13]

Why did you hammer someone you thought was town?

I don't think I have an excuse for this one, that was just bad play on my part >> <<. I got to hopeful his lynch would end the game.

How have you played miles out of your scumrange? How were you not in the top of the suspicion list as well? You do realise every point here works the other way around lol?

Ever since I survived being the day 1 lynch, I have been playing the game as if it's obvious that I am town and that I don't need to do anything to convince anyone of my alignment. The posts that I refer to as putting me as outside of my scumrange specifically are all the panic spewing I did ie.
216 isolation ... all the way through to isolation 37.

A post speicifically explaining (to mastina) why I am outside my scumrange is 238 to 239.

After this, everybody starts day 2 saying "yeah awoo is town we're not lynching this" so basically after we lynched kokichi I just sat back and lynched VT claims labouring under the missapprehension that you were both town.

So why do any of those associatives make me scum lol? They didn't talk about me because A) I've never played with them before and B) I lurked most of the day. If they did talk about me, I'd actually find that more suspicious. And in post 696 , Esp literally tells BNL to cop Imp over you! And none of their bussing at the end of day really looks like they actually wanted you dead, a vote so "they didn't get lynched" and calling a post of yours null.

And where did I ever suspect anyone as a PR lol. I just went along with whatever people I trusted were thinking lol.

They don't make you scum just accumulating them all in one place to see if it makes a pattern. Remember at this point, I had (incorrectly) mechanically cleared mastina so I was just searching for reasons why you were mafia without considering any other world.

... ok a lot of my posts made yesterday look pretty damn silly in hindsight but here is the logical train that drives each and every one of them.

1. Mutant is a hider (fallacy)
2. The nokill is explained by mutant hiding (fallacy)
3. mastina knew mutant was a hider
4. mastina would not kill mutant

Therefore, mylo is confirmed mafia and we need to convince everyone else that he is mafia in order to win the game.

My biggest problem with continuing with that is 1. the logic is wrong
and 2. your posting has been giving me very genuine vibes ever since we got to mylo. I even said it myself before tricking myself with mechanics! "Mylo is bleeding town ITT" because I was going based off of reads and not mechanical lies (thanks mutant! your gambit was apprieciated though)

I don't want to really respond to or look at a lot of these because
1. embarrassment
2. I think it's been made clear that I assumed false mechanical information and tried to force a scumread on you when I had an actual read on you that ranged somewhere between "meh" to "genuine town"

So basically you summed up my entire performance yesterday in 1 line

This could have been a good argument if Mutant didn't disprove it later lol.

Principle of explosion's a bitch isn't it? when you assume a contradiction you can come to any conclusion true or false. I was forcing myself to scumread you without considering any alternative.

(you seem to know more about setup spec then me so im not going to argue on this point i was just hoping i was right)

The next step would be looking at mastina.
Which would also be hard. Because her posting has been "genuine". If anything though, the way to find mastina as mafia would be to

1. realize that I/we/everyone was putting too much stock into her aggression day 1 and mistook aggression for towniness
2. probably look at her recent posts and see if they read kinda like sitting back instead of gamesolving(?)
3. notice that when discounting the aggression, mastina's towniness has been somewhere in the "just ok" range (which is where mafia typically are) and mylo's been spewing town in recent posts, something that felt bad to ignore due to "mechanics". But I think this is starting to actually make sense now.

Okay, I actually really like this post. +Town points to Awoo

[Myloninja13]

Because I can't see why either Awoo or I would go for Mutant? Unless Awoo is some genius who knew Mutant was lying about his role that they didn't even really knew he had until a day before anyway, what use is it to go for a hider hiding elsewhere? And if you think I'm scum, why would I do the same thing? Even if I somehow knew he was lying anyway, why would I attack him??

The real question to ask is why I would kill mutant when mutant had full 100% trust in me and I knew a mutant kill would implicate me.

Mastina, can you share a link to your most recent completed scum game/s? I'm more of a meta-person than an analysis person, but for this game I understand I'm going to have to do more lol.

The problem with my scum games is that each scumgame is different.

Inventions Mafia is a poor representation of my scumgame, because I was struggling to keep up. I was eternally behind. Like, over 100 pages behind. People were producing content faster than I could read content so I couldn't play at all.

Minuet's Trio is a poor representation of my scumgame, because I was explicitly lazy about playing. I had zero investment in the game; I wasn't trying at all.

Turn of Camn is a poor representation of my scumgame, because I knew that it had a near-identical player set to Inventions Mafia, in a timeframe almost exactly after Inventions Mafia, featuring Ellibereth who had a known scumtell on me; my play there was specifically geared towards getting me dead first so I was specifically aiming to die.

The last true representation of my scum meta was XP Mafia, which was almost a full year ago but also the last time I was scum in a game where I actually played like I do as scum.

But might I ask why you didn't ask for town games as well?

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75529
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75853

The problem I have is that

those games are almost an exact match to your play the majority of the game

. You're telling me they're different from this game, but they look the same to me.

This post on the other hand I don't really like. For starters, why wouldn't you go for Mutant? If you went Awoo/Me, you'd lose a mislynch target and have to fully target one person. And besides, if I'm being honest I kinda think you might have known he was lying, as you somehow figured out his crumbs of hider anyway.

But thanks for sharing your scum meta! I'll have a look at them when I have proper chance. I was going to ask for town meta but I think I forgot lol, sorry.

Now the part that really irks me is that you think my scum games look in any way like this game lol. I'll probably go in to detail later on why I think they're polar opposites, but for now I'll focus on the fact that you don't see the differences lol? Not tring to be rude here, but you notably are a player who is very skilled at this game and from that I find it hard to believe you did not see clear differences. Most other 'skilled' players I've come by have pretty much understood my meta from within the span of a game and a meta check. This honestly feels to me as if you're just pandering to Awoo, the person you called most suspicious for the entirety of Day 1.

I mean, I guess maybe either you missed the differences or maybe I have used caps enough in this thread to distinguish myself but I honestly find it incredibly hard to believe you actually think this game is anything like my scum games lol.

[Myloninja13]

I'm back and ready to tackle this once more

[Myloninja13]

For starters, why wouldn't you go for Mutant?

Because optimal play for scumastina is to no-kill. Mylo would require all three town to lynch me; mutant had full confidence I was town; leaving mutant alive wouldn't implicate me and would actually implicate one of you two.

You seem to think that mutant is a better kill than Awoo or you; this would be true. But mutant is a far inferior kill to just no killing.

Now the part that really irks me is that you think my scum games look in any way like this game lol.

Oh really?

Then explain to me how this type of post:
Subject: Open 718: MLOASR - Game Over

So are we scum hunting now? I'm sorry, I'm not really following along with what we have to do now, do we no lynch again and get another cop read to narrow the lynch pool? Or are we killing the lynch pool now?

...And endless similar ones...

...Is any different from this type of post:

HAHA lol. Best game state ever lol.

I'll be a little safe before hammering but just like lol.

...And endless similar ones, this game.

They're the same.

Yeah, those posts are not similar in anything but subject matter. Notice that I have fun in the second one, actually seem interesting in the game and not sound fake as hell? If you find more that are similar in actual style than I could agree with you, but this honestly makes it seem more likely of you being scum.

[Myloninja13]

mastina. i can't clear you for mechanical wifom. As you can see from my post I am considering the possibility that you are mafia. Please address the accusation "i think u might be mafia" for me.

What's there to address?

You literally in that very same post talked about the reasons why I'm town.

1. realize that I/we/everyone was putting too much stock into her aggression day 1 and mistook aggression for towniness
2.

probably look at her recent posts and see if they read kinda like sitting back instead of gamesolving(?)

3. notice that when discounting the aggression, mastina's towniness has been somewhere in the "just ok" range (which is where mafia typically are) and mylo's been spewing town in recent posts, something that felt bad to ignore due to "mechanics". But I think this is starting to actually make sense now.

I was suspicious of Kokichi Oma and Espeonage on D1. I advocated to keep town players alive. Fought against the BNL mislynch. Against the Momrangal mislynch. Against the Pine mislynch.

I've been fucking gamesolving since D1. In fact I HAD the game solved D1. Literally, completely solved. On D1.

Except you could have had two lynch-baity town players as your two biggest scumreads, and ended the day phase not on the flipped scum. Whereas both Awoo and I were strongly on that scum wagon. Not to mention the next day you advocated to go for a town player instead of obvious scum and used arguments that were either not reasonable or inconsequential to get there? Like, you do realise I also fought against the BNL mislynch? And I thought we had this game easily solved from whatever PR stuff was happening behind the scenes?

[Myloninja13]

And honestly.

What are you giving, off of this game, to help me here?

What are you giving, from this game, that shows why you're town?

That's what I want to know.

Not.
"This is outside my scum range."

That's a shitty-ass reason.
Scumplay evolves.
That's one of the reason why I'm as good a scum player as I am; I literally never play the same way twice.
I keep changing it up.
Doing differently.

What from this game.
Shows proof, hard proof, that you're TOWN.

That's what I'm after.
I can show how basically every single nightkill had me as a townread.
I can show how I've had right reads on basically everyone except for implosion. (The single read I've had wrong the entire game.)
But I can't show you anything outside of a scum range because literally nothing is outside of my scum range.

And by using that metric I will lose 100% of the time because I will always answer the same.
I can do that as scum.
It's just a matter of whether I WOULD.

So ask yourself.

Would I do the things scum have done this game; would I do the things I've done if I were scum?

I do kinda like this post, but eh at the same time saying "Nothing is outside of my scum range" kinda brings up the point that we can't actually prove your town by actual play then? Like, I mean if really nothing is out then I dunno if you would do this stuff?

[Myloninja13]

Another way of putting it: you two are young, so maybe you don't know the golden rule of mylo/lylo.
Not to trust mylo/lylo.

Ask any veteran player.
It's kinda annoying that I'm the only veteran player alive.
But they'd vouch for this, and even if not I'd NEVER lie about mafia theory and this is mafia theory talk.

Universally.
Any experienced player will tell you.
In mylo/lylo.
The scum player is playing identically to the town.
Because the scum player has basically the same overall stuff as the town players do.

To win the game.

You have to look at the game BEFORE lylo/mylo.
Because the actions BEFORE lylo/mylo mean more.

I wish I could explain the theory better. Maybe I can pull up the theory somewhere, but this is how it works.

Uh... okay then? I mean, I didn't think that it being mylo/lylo suddenly meant you couldn't read or judge people? Like, if I was scum I'd play my obvious 'Hating myself' style I'd have had for then entire game. And like I think I heard Ausuka mention that once in a marathon (Where I actually won for the second time as scum ever on this website ) before hammering the wrong person and losing lol. I mean I am not partiucularly skilled or have much experience either though, so I probably have to learn some stuff lol. But for now I'm going to, you know, try and solve the game using a mixture of pre-mylo, mylo and post-mylo information to help my decision.

[Myloninja13]

Awoo, can I have your most recent town and scum game?

[Myloninja13]

I did look through an ISO of Mastina's year ago scum game and was firstly impressed at the sheer amount of effort and power they put into it. And then secondly tried to see similarities that were actually genuine between this game and that one, and did find a few but I'd actually need to check a town game to see they're not just mastina traits lol.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I can finally get back to this.

[Myloninja13]

Mastina's newer posting is solid here, but I'm hoping to see more of Awoo before I make my decision. If it's all right with you guys, I'd want a vote down with at least ~36 hours left so that if we got a scum in the votes the other person would have enough time to just focus fully on who is more likely scum.

[Myloninja13]

So here's my take on it. The three of us have played largely similar games outside of LYLO. Low presence outside of day 1. Larger presence in day 1 except for mylo who was a name tossed out there type suspect. And that's the thing.......

I came under heavy suspiscion day 1. By day 2 everyone's first post was "awoo is town"
Mastina came under light suspicion day 1. By day 2 everyone's consensus was not really considering as mafia. And the thing is that mastina was right about the whole kill kokichi at night thing. And the thing about that thing is that mastina was the one who was pushing for it so hard with no motvation yeah ok I see where this argument was coming from.
Mylo was at the middle-bottom of reads list day 1. Then he just faded away without ever being town.

I do want to lynch mylo.

Just wondering, is the latter part because of the prior reasoning? Because I'm pretty sure if I was wagoned against scum and got hide 'cleared' most people would consider me town too lol. And besides, the reason I survived was mostly because The Worst knew how to read me and then Mutant 'cleared' me later too lol.

[Myloninja13]

AHHH I'm like almost directly 50/50 right now. Like, I try to do anything to figure out what makes someone more likely but then the other person has something else!

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I

think

I've made up my mind. Watch me change my mind 17 times while sleeping but I think I know who's more likely scum.

I'm going to sleep soon but if you get on soonish you might catch me!

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I am here once more.

[Myloninja13]

I've got exams coming up. Hurry up and vote

LOL

sorry this is my first lylo so i don;t know what proper voting ettiquite is for making the first vote

There's not really one, but I like to talk with everyone about voting to make it as easy as possible.

[Myloninja13]

Alright scrap everything else.
This is what I need from both of you, most of all.

Unpack your thoughts on both me and the other.
In as much detail as humanly possible.
Start to finish, every thought on both sides. Town and scum, and where you are and what you are thinking.

Explain, step by step. What you are seeing from me that is town and what you are seeing from me that is scum. Explain. Step by step. What you are seeing from the other in you that is town and what you are seeing from them that is scum. Cover everything. The whole game. The nightkills. The lynches. Meta. Whatever. Give it all, and tell me.

Oh God, this is going to take a while. I'll put this off momentarily, but I will do this.

[Myloninja13]

Reasons why mylo is mafia:

well before I say that can I just say I'm really pissed off because he's higher charisma then me I mean my charisma goes into the toilet when I'm an angry VT and I hope that doesn't make us lose this game I mean read lylo and take a shot every time mylo does that disgusting sitcom style "woah! look at that guy!". Also do you remember my response to the wallpost? Mylo's response was fucking terrible. First he was all like "hey! i need a response so that I can evaluate your alignment!" then I replied with a fat one and he said "+townpoints" hhhahaha are you kidding me note: this is the same thing I called out BNL for being mafia d1 and that was wrong but still if you desperately want a response to a wall and your only words are "+townpoints" it's basically mafia conceding and saying well shit that was really towny I don't want to confront him on that or really reply to it, in addition most of his content was starting to consider mastina as mafia so that's behavior that I want to encourage in this dog here have a doggy biscuit good dog. pats on the head all around and +townpoints for you~!

Yeah mylo's content is dead all game
I played with him in cul de sac and he lurked the hell out of that as VT but it was a lot less IN YOUR FACE lurking style. it was like "oh hey" every once in a while and "ok ill sheep this seems good" as opposed to how forced it felt this game. Put the iso's of those two side by side if you want to know what I'm talking about. This game it took to him literally going "sheepity sheep~!" "do you have any questions for me? no? ok bye!" "did I mention I'm not very good at this game?" "I am going to keep sheeping my townreads!"

what's the town motivation for drawing so much attention to yourself doing nothing? It's nothing other then "hey look!! this is !! my!! towngame where I do exactly this!!" the main difference is that his actual towngame is a whole lot quieter. 667

Note: mylo was pushing for kokichi's lynch all day d2 trying to HMMMMM deny town that information was he well there's your mechanics that you so love mastina ^^ never even listened to you just "honestly just vote kokichi" 906


1507 for an example of the awful sitcom responses to my posts.

Mastina if I had to guess why your gut says me it would be because I'm a big ugly low charisma aggressive shitter who makes dumb ugly incomprehensible meme posts. But also I have a green role PM so there you go.

Okay, first thing I need to say is sorry. If I'm acting rude or condescending, please believe me it's not intentional.

Secondly, I think this has been the first time someone actually called me charismatic lol. I think you just mean I don't seem too erratic lol.

But I was using that wall post to evaluate who was scum, I just haven't shown my active reasoning. Most of the points were solid and it gave you town points in my eyes, if I did find it suspicious or need clarification I would've elaborated or replied.

So... you say I'm scummier here than the other game where I did the same things because this part is... forced? Like, if you can show examples by all means go ahead but like I really again don't understand how people could look at that game and this one and consider them significantly different. Like, you think I'm suspicious here for... being less quiet? I am way quieter in all my scum games lol, this doesn't make sense?

And you do realise the reason I went for Koki is because I was pretty certain they were scum, The Worst wanted them dead and he's my favourite person to sheep, I didn't particularly scum read Implosion and of course I thought there might be roleblocker that would ruin the whole double lynch anyway. Like, one of the things I'll never accept as a scumread on me is "Well you were obviously doing this convulted thing". I'll state it here, I'm a simple creature. I'm not a strategy genius, I'm an over-thinker and an under-performer. So saying that I somehow knew that it would be better to lynch Koki because it limited talk is a good three steps above my normal thinking, and seven steps ahead my even less put together, "yelling in scum PT for the entire game" scum thinking.

And for the awful sitcom response, that's the exact thought going through my head. I thought, 'what the hell is this lol', and typed that thought up lol. Like, why is that representative of scum?

I really don't like the last bit, but I won't go into deep explanation because I've probably already been too mean sorry.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, so I'm going to bust out an "Unscripted, no help post" on my thoughts. Basically, I'm not going to look at ISO's or check things, I'm just going to explain what I remember without looking on my thoughts.

For the nightkills first:

Wisdom - Apparently there was a crumb that people saw, so I guess that's why they were killed?

No-Kill - I have no idea what happened here. Like, I guess this technically could be hinting to Mastina using an ability that night but ehh?

The Worst - Was a claimed scum-caught PR

Pine - ??? I have no idea why anyone would kill Pine, but this does lean more towards Awoo scum for being more likely to just kill based off a crumb

BNL - Claimed PR

Mutant - This kill just confuses me to no end. Why?? I mean maybe Awoo!Scum thought a no-kill would benefit them? Or Mastina!Scum somehow also understood that it was fake as well as knowing that he was claiming hider anyway???

Okay, so what I'm thinking of people:

Mastina:

Scum read me for most of day 1 for I guess reasonable reasons as they hadn't seen my town/scum meta yet? Went for Awoo who is also maybe scum here so they would've been pretty solid for scum reads day 1. Then went for Implosion over Koki which is ehh but I understand the reasoning now more than I did at the time. Then they were figuring out mutant was claiming hider so I guess that's good? Calls both Gamma and Pine bad wagons (Despite having them + EP as the only reasonable scum left from their POV?). I remember looking back and finding their EP vote post kinda sus for some reason. But then the next day happens and they originally are suspicious of Mutant for the inno's thing but lays off despite Awoo and I saying our suspicions of mutant anyway? Not sure if Mastina!scum does go for an 'easy' mislynch like that though? And then the whole Awoo VS. Me thing happens and they don't particularly pick a side and go for a mislynch again. Then today comes and I realise they aren't conf!town and have to look into them as possible scum. Don't like some of their posts and honestly it does bring me pretty much 50/50 on who was more likely scum but then their posting became better and Awoo started being scummier so I laid back on that. And I also still wonder why Scum!Mastina wouldn't just pucker up to Awoo and vote me off? Would they be that paranoid about Awoo turning around and calling them scum over me? They actually seemed to have become more suspicious of Awoo, which would be weird considering I'm the one that was really considering them as scum.

Okay, temporarily got to go but I'll be right back to do Awoo

[Myloninja13]

Okay back sorry about that.

Onto Awoo!

Awoo was suspected in day 1, and was a pretty notable wagon, but Esp was a counter-wagon and that flipped scum so people gave Awoo a pass. I personally don't really, it wasn't too crazy of a Town VS. Scum situation that made it likely that Awoo was town, but most of this introspective thoughts has come in the last two days lol. In that time I was a-sheeping the worst as he was the best and found a scum. Awoo (As far as I remember) was kinda meh on the issue and went for implosion kind of but also went to Koki at the end. Which isn't scum indicative exactly, but not anything that actually makes me scum read them. Kinda floats through the next few days, but so did I lol. Then the whole hammering EP thing happened which I still just don't like whatsoever. It sounded like they joking about their vote on me, so that's why I was suspicious of their "I think EP is town" claim but now that they say it was real it opens another can of worms. Did they put "EP" out of their fun zone, immediately think they're town, then hammer them later? Was the fun zone a joke? Why did they care about going along with the masses on someone they actually thought was town? That would indicate they were caring about how they looked to others I guess, but why if they were town? And what actually changed that made them think EP was town anyway? And what gave them this sudden realisation I was obv!Scum? And then why did they then say I was bleeding town the next day and accuse Mutant if this whole thing even HAPPENED!? Did they sudden not think I was scum after claiming I was scum and hammering someone that they clearly called town?

Like, that situation really hits every scum bells I have, I just don't see that coming from town's POV. I feel bad for letting this entire thing slip my mind when I looked at his answer to hammering EP, because there is heaps to unpack here.

Anyway, moving on. Then they again accuse mutant which makes sense from both town and scum's POV but immediately heel turn back onto me after calling me town because they 'have to'. And then they just call me mafia with some arguments, some insults, some of both and not very much that I actually thought made sense. At first all I really could do was ask what they were doing because it just genuinely completely confused me. But then I try to understand it as best as I could and countered any arguments I thought weren't fair. Then the day ends and today comes. I explain I think Mastina could be scum now, and Awoo actually does kinda agree (Which does at least mean they're not trying to buddy Mastina), and then after talking to Mastina doesn't really and focuses on full blowing to me, which is kinda weird again. I mentioned multiple times that I thought Mastina could very well be scum, but they then stopped considering them scum just when I was roughly 50/50 on who scum was, made some more arguments I didn't think were fair and said they wanted to lynch me for other people not particularly calling me town after day 1? Which could indicate town!Awoo for not buddying me but also Scum!Awoo for buddying Mastina. Or who knows, maybe they play like me as scum and have no plan and just do whatever they think of on the spot?

[Myloninja13]

We have 36 hours left, I think it's time to vote now? I... I'm going to spend like a minute just to make sure I'm actually fine with voting Awoo but I don't think there's any way to get away from it. If Mastina is scum, Awoo just gave them the win by turning straight back to me and pinging all my scum bells, whilst basically proclaiming they won't kill Mastina which gives Mastina!Scum the win. But Mastina is still putting effort in spite of that, so that can give more town points to Mastina.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, my minute is up and now my vote is too.

Vote Awoo

I will go now, see you in the morning.

[Myloninja13]

AHHHH see this is what I was worried about AHHHH

I was actually going completely both ways at one point before Awoo turned off Mastina!Scum again and basically made it impossible for town to win I kinda had to go for Awoo in the hopes that they were scum then.

But still GG guys! This was heaps of fun, and it was interesting to put so much effort into one of these games. Hope to see you around!

[Myloninja13]

Haha, just read the dead chat and I was surprised to see so many people call me obvious town lol.

[Myloninja13]

Yeah called it Mastina. You took me out for that reason, or for my claim?

Neither.
I took you out because I thought mutant was hiding behind you and I wanted mutant dead for my narrative.

But didn't you already know that mutant was fakeclaiming when he claimed a hide behind you?

Actually, one of the things I scum read mastina for was them asking if it was a WW/Scum hider, after they'd been hiden behind.

[Myloninja13]

Thanks Mastina! I do really want to be able to get into games earlier but I just never seem to be able from a lack of interest or being too complex for me to find things. But if I make it to the end of the game, I've got heaps of content, an easier game state to understand and no feeling of dread by seeing the game rise up in my posts count. But I was pretty proud of the work I did end up putting into this game, and at I was at least about to vote the final scum in Lylo before I worried that Awoo wouldn't vote you anyway so it'd be better for town to go for Awoo.

This game was heaps of fun though, and I hope to see some of you around this site! Once I finish my current games I am taking a break from MafiaScum though, so I may see you again ~4 months from now haha lol.

[Myloninja13]

heaps

Not me haha, the game state has heaps of content for me to analyse

[Myloninja13]

you'd better be back Mylo :>
still come say hiloninja13 in sitechat sometimes ok?

Don't worry bird bud, I'll be back and also maybe stalk sitechat every now and then haha.