Mini Normal 2023 - Game Over

Garmr · Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Told you man with no name slot (locke) was scum.

Krazy · Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:54 pm

We should lynch Akarin.

Seal does not flip scum. Prrrobably.

My current theory is that he is trying to commit suicide.

I do not believe that scum fakeclaims masons when they are L-1. And minis have no third parties. If he was scum he would have just self-hammered. The only logical explanation is that he is town, and thought I would quickhammer since obviously I know the claim is fake.

Basically, we need to consider three scenarios here.
A) He is scum trying to muddy the waters.
B) He is town and is done trying in this game. His desire for me to be town lead and Akarin to be lynched in this case is genuine.
C) He is town and is hoping I will save him by accepting the fakeclaim despite the obvious risk to my credibility after he gets nightkilled and flips not-mason.

It could actually be a mixture of B and C, but it is most likely scenario B.

The simplest explanation is that he planned on me hammering immediately and that he is town, probably VT.
There is the small risk he is scum and just has massive balls, but this does not seem to match the rest of his playstyle as much as a suicidal claim like this as town does.
There is also the very small risk that he is scum and has actually given up, but again, if this was the case he would have just self-hammered.

Titus · Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:56 pm

In post 1571, popopopopopopo wrote:Titus why did you claim?

Because players should know who I protected and that Hikari is conftown unless another role explains it. (Not asking for a claim.)

Titus · Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:58 pm

In post 1576, Krazy wrote:We should lynch Akarin.

Seal does not flip scum. Prrrobably.

My current theory is that he is trying to commit suicide.

I do not believe that scum fakeclaims masons when they are L-1. And minis have no third parties. If he was scum he would have just self-hammered. The only logical explanation is that he is town, and thought I would quickhammer since obviously I know the claim is fake.

Basically, we need to consider three scenarios here.
A) He is scum trying to muddy the waters.
B) He is town and is done trying in this game. His desire for me to be town lead and Akarin to be lynched in this case is genuine.
C) He is town and is hoping I will save him by accepting the fakeclaim despite the obvious risk to my credibility after he gets nightkilled and flips not-mason.

It could actually be a mixture of B and C, but it is most likely scenario B.

The simplest explanation is that he planned on me hammering immediately and that he is town, probably VT.
There is the small risk he is scum and just has massive balls, but this does not seem to match the rest of his playstyle as much as a suicidal claim like this as town does.
There is also the very small risk that he is scum and has actually given up, but again, if this was the case he would have just self-hammered.

More that if I'm going down, he wifoms your slot seems the most likely. I'm not really certain on your alignment but you seem really invested in Seal. Occam's Razor is that if you fakeclaim when one is expected and there's no protown motivation, lynch it. Yet, you're going out of your way to defend this slot? Why? Why is it so important that Akarin be lynched when this just seems to be a scumclaim?

Garmr · Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:58 pm

Or krazy there's another possibility, he wanted to drag your name through the mud with his lynch making everyone else wifom about you or you are is scum buddy and just like like James, Unreal seal did a utter noob thing. I am guessing the former.

Titus · Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:59 pm

Second, if he was going to fake to survive, it makes more sense to fake a claim of full cop or something. You know, something useful.

Krazy · Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:03 pm

I mean, but then it wouldn't be so obviously fake. I think it was meant to be a joke? Masons with investigative and bulletproof? No one is going to take that seriously. "If I'm going to get lynched today, I'm going to do so in the funniest manner possible."

idk it makes sense to me but then, I am Krazy.

Titus · Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Can you answer my questions Crazy in 1578

Krazy · Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 pm

In post 1578, Titus wrote:Yet, you're going out of your way to defend this slot? Why? Why is it so important that Akarin be lynched when this just seems to be a scumclaim?

I always defend my townreads, no matter how stupid they may be or how anti-town they're acting. I see this level of suicidal behavior as a town-tell. People have given me shit for it in other games and I'm sure they'll give me shit for it in this game. But if I think someone is town, I don't want them lynched. I mean, I think Music is town, but obviously he's not really hunting. He's just a mislynch that gives us nothing.

If you think Seal has now produced too much WIFOM, you don't have to change your vote, but I don't see any reason we can't lynch scum today. Much better chances of that in Akarin than in Seal.

Garmr · Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:19 pm

In post 1583, Krazy wrote:
In post 1578, Titus wrote:Yet, you're going out of your way to defend this slot? Why? Why is it so important that Akarin be lynched when this just seems to be a scumclaim?

I always defend my townreads, no matter how stupid they may be or how anti-town they're acting.
I see this level of suicidal behavior as a town-tell.
People have given me shit for it in other games and I'm sure they'll give me shit for it in this game. But if I think someone is town, I don't want them lynched. I mean, I think Music is town, but obviously he's not really hunting. He's just a mislynch that gives us nothing.

If you think Seal has now produced too much WIFOM, you don't have to change your vote, but I don't see any reason we can't lynch scum today. Much better chances of that in Akarin than in Seal.

Did you see James's suicidal behaviour as a town tell when you voted him?

Krazy · Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:25 pm

With James there was no downside since if he was real he was actually vengeful and could simply shoot his top FoS. But beyond the vengeful, James' claim seemed explicitly DEFENSIVE. Miller was an extremely scummy claim and we were right for lynching him through it. James claimed miller after Gustavo had already claimed COP. It seemed to me that James had tailored his claim in response to Gustavo's claim. If he had been a real miller, he either would have announced it earlier, or he would have crumbed. Since he did neither of those things, the claim seemed fake, but with the PURPOSE being to keep him alive.

Conversely, Seal's claim here is only suicidal in nature. I am off his wagon, I know he's not mason, he can only expect an immediate hammer. But Seal's claim is very different than James's in terms of its apparent purpose, because whereas James's claim was meant to stay alive and avoid an investigative result from Gustavo, Seal's claim seems only designed to get lynched.

popopopopopopo · Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:32 pm

can someone hammer pls

Garmr · Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Hammer it

Dunnstral · Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:05 pm

UnaBombaH replaces Locke113

Dunnstral · Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:07 pm

VC 2.5UnrealSeal (6) Bujaber, Akarin, Hiraki, popopopopopopo, Garmr, Titus
Akarin (5) Krazy, UnrealSeal, DrDolittle, Music, ManWithNoName
Garmr (1) UnaBombaH

Not Voting (0)

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-08-27 21:00:00)

Garmr · Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:20 pm

In post 1575, Garmr wrote:Told you man with no name slot (locke) was scum.

Oh this isn't lockes slot nevermind.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:23 pm

I am back! And replacing in! And currently in the process of reading during a boring day at work!
And I only recognize Bujaber, Titus and MAnWithNoName...by their names.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:25 pm

In post 1590, Garmr wrote:Oh this isn't lockes slot nevermind.

..but apparently this is. As in, I am.

Garmr · Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:32 pm

In post 1592, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1590, Garmr wrote:Oh this isn't lockes slot nevermind.
..but apparently this is. As in, I am.

Unreal basically scum claimed so if you want to hammer you can.

BuJaber · Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:49 pm

If seal is not scum he is vengeful and we should still hammer. We (hopefully he shoots akarin) lynch both wagons and get max info.

Krazy · Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:50 pm

In post 1594, BuJaber wrote:If seal is not scum he is vengeful and we should still hammer. We (hopefully he shoots akarin) lynch both wagons and get max info.

This is probably the explanation that actually makes the most sense.

Actually, if that's the truth, I should just hammer.

Garmr · Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:51 pm

In post 1595, Krazy wrote:
In post 1594, BuJaber wrote:If seal is not scum he is vengeful and we should still hammer. We (hopefully he shoots akarin) lynch both wagons and get max info.
This is probably the explanation that actually makes the most sense.

Actually, if that's the truth, I should just hammer.

Do it

BuJaber · Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:53 pm

Last scum drd or gamma or krazy
(If 1 of seal / akarin flips scum)

Krazy · Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:53 pm

We do have time on the day cycle. If any of the replacements want to ask questions before night cycle we can give them time to get a grip on the thread.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:54 pm

OK these are now popping up to my catchup-draft - DO NOT HAMMER YET.
There might absolutely be something of value I have to say before the night!

I guarantee I'm caught up before the weekend, so if you REALLY need to shut the conversation up, go ahead and hammer.
But I'd consider that antitown.