Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Sando]

So we don't know:
Mathblade N4 power?
3 of the N5s, although I think Kokichi echo is confirmed?

mathblade claimed SS

kokichi echo is confirmed. my sui is confirmed. nero cain's absortion is not confirmed but he claimed to have received drixx' doc ability before drixx confirmed. he is also towny and the shift to mathblade probably doesn't ever happen if nero is scum.

the only ability we don't know of is nancy. for math to be town, nancy has to have taken petrification and used it that night, because only nancy and math could have petrification.

Was Math in the hero list last night? And do we have a claim of power there? SS was N4 question correct?

[Toranaga]

yes SS was to n4

math was gladly not in the hero list last night, no.

we have the claimed powers pretty much. me/kokichi/nero are an awesome little combo of confirming each other's powers.

[Drixx]

ausuka or whoever it was actually
point is MY VOTE CHANGES THINGS

noting that gamma emerald actually retracted that he voted nero

You are incorrect. See below.

you don't understand how math being leader incriminates you? that's rather incredible.

I think scum stuffed the ballot box to screw me over :/ I just started reading on my lunch break...and I am just ...fuck :/

It’s kind of a brilliant plan.

Use a scum factional to fuck with my precog and then another to make me leader.

Then town mislynches the only healer and scum coast forcing me to have to vig scum tonight.

Like damn.

This is where I'm at tbh

Like the initial plan had me on Tor, but I voted Nero.

So it's practically impossible for math to be scum right?

ausuka or whoever it was actually

point is MY VOTE CHANGES THINGS

[Sando]

yes SS was to n4

math was gladly not in the hero list last night, no.

we have the claimed powers pretty much. me/kokichi/nero are an awesome little combo of confirming each other's powers.

So: Sakura, FA, Nero, Kokichi, Tora - who is the 6th?

[the worst]

It's literally probably Math/Gamma tho

???

stop scumposting aaaaa I'm getting paranoid

Gamma/Tora has to contain 1 wolf mechanically

No, Gamma/Tor can only contain 1 scum if Aus didn't vote. Not an unreasonable assumption, but if Aus voted then Gamma must be scum.

Unless scum can change the votes/leader.

1+ scum mechanically*** sorry.
And yeah for sanity's sake we probably need to operate under the assumption it's unlikely that we didn't put the entire scumteam on the Nero leaderwagon

But it's also not impossible

[Toranaga]

drixx, have you read my piece about math's precog results last page?

[Toranaga]

because I'm town, I already know there is a factional ability changing leader votes because mathblade cannot be leader otherwise.

random guess that this ability is one that changes a single leader vote.

since the pool of 4 that'd vote nero contains one scum that voted math, that makes it a 3-3 even if mathblade is town, and he'd lose the tie. so a factional ability made mathblade leader, and the only scenario that didn't happen is if math is town and ausuka forgot to send her vote, which is highly unlikely. if math is scum, that'd be a 3-2 for nero, but then one of nero's votes would be targeted to math, making it 3-2 math.

[the worst]

couldn't scum Nancy + scum Gamma + town Tora + nonvoting Ausuka = leader Math?

[Toranaga]

couldn't scum Nancy + scum Gamma + town Tora + nonvoting Ausuka = leader Math?

if ausuka forgot to vote AND math is town, then this scenario is possible without a factional ability. I don't think ausuka forgot to vote because she had actions to send and we were counting on her for leadership, though. so I'm not really considering the possibility that she forgot.

[the worst]

You probably should. She replaced in during the last phase and I don't think anyone took a moment to remind her votes need to be PM'd to Brian along with everything else--completely possible to misinterpret it for meaning vote intent ITT counted towards votes at night

but I digress, it's like less than 50% possible but much higher than impossible.

[Toranaga]

the problem is that you'd have town!math being voted by 3 scum that wouldn't elect him because nero would still have 3 votes on him. not only is trying to leadership town!mathblade nonsensical, but in this case it would be unlikely to even make him leader. this scenario is simply unlikely enough that I wanna discard it completely. it takes pure nonsense from wolf team, combined with a town player forgetting to send her vote along with her NA.

I should note that the mod prodges people about voting etc. and sakura was active in the site, I checked. she almost certainly sent her vote along with her actions.

[Toranaga]

for math to be town, scum has to coordinate to make him leader while also changing next day abilities to make his precog result fail, which is already damning in itself enough that math was already getting resolved. also, since I'm town, scum would let me sui on mathblade instead of making him unkillable.

the math!scum scenario is easy, though: math lied about precog results which is why they're wrong, and knowing he was going down, he used a vote changing factional ability to make himself leader so he wouldn't die and would control the night actions. that's the only sensible answer to the things that happened in the game and literally the only thing that explains how nancy drew went from locktown to outed.

[Toranaga]

what's more likely? a leader vote changing ability, or a next-day-ability-changing ability that makes precognition useless?

[MathBlade]

HT
Mind Shield (seems like it stops mind control)
Goo
Tracker
Siren’s Call
Super Strength

Precog list

I am at work for today and RL much of the next won’t be able to keep up.

[Toranaga]

something else to consider:

current lynch/kill pool is me/gamma/mathblade, right?

if gamma flips scum, both me or mathblade can still be scum. in fact, me and mathblade are the literal two most likely scum partners for gamma.

if either me or mathblade flips scum, the other is clear.

which means it's either me and gamma, or math and gamma.

which means it's always gamma and someone else the way we're all reading the game.

so we should just lynch gamma now.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Toranaga]

Thought Dump

Spoiler:

Not sure why scum would become so apparent by using petrify.
I dont understand what game they are playing.
This could be the last chance to lynch scum.

Spoiler:

Nero would've won a tie, so there were 2 scum in Nero's leadership wagon and 1 in Ausuka's leadership wagon that shifted the leadership towards Math.

Making the scumteam Tora, Nancy, Math FUCK

Spoiler:

New thoughts, since i forgot Math cant self vote because im a dummy, there's 3 possible scenarios

Scenario 1: Ausuka screwed up the voting
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Scenario 1a: Mathblade is town, there's a 50/50 scum between Tora and Nancy
Scenario 1b: Mathblade is scum, both Tora and Nancy are scum.

Scenario 2: Ausuka didnt screw up the voting
Math is town 100%, Tora and Nancy are both scum 100%

Spoiler:

how the FUCK has Nancy not submitted a healing touch on me yet if she's town.

Spoiler:

Sigh, sorry, i just....
If I literally lost the game for town I wont be able to live it down.
I have a feeling this is going to turn just like Midscummer's Night Dream.
I'm really bad at using abilities or being in a leadership role.

That's why I didnt want to (even tho deep down i actually did).
This is gonna take a big toll on my self steem.
I just...
I think im gonna quit mafia again, maybe permanently this time.
I'm tired of screwing everything up.
It's always my fault.

Spoiler:

Ok so yeah
Tora is scum, Nancy is ALSO scum, Math is town, Nero is town, Drixx is town, Theta is town, Kokichi is unknown, Creature is town.

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

I dun goofed, i literally gave power to TWO scum

Spoiler:

Well I guess people are doing a good job at scumhunting across the Nero voters.
At least I wont feel bad that my plan did actually work.

Guess there's not much for me to do so if i revive i might just blow someone up to thin the Nero voters PoE

Spoiler:

More internal thoughts
In any case I 100% do not believe Gamma voted Nero
So Gamma is scum along with Nancy and Tora
Nancy being so insistent in not healing me points to her being scum, idc if she unpetrifies me now, if she does, im blowing her up.
She took too long.

Spoiler:

At this point the only reason i see Nancy ever healing me is to avoid being lynched/killed.
She's NOT town, she's dying

Spoiler:

More internal thoughts.

Math's precog implied that HT would be available tonight. But it isnt, assuming that scum had the same information Math had why use petrify.

Spoiler:

Math is fucking scum, no one scumreads me here, this is never my scumgame, math doesnt want me to blow up Nancy

Spoiler:

I voted for Nero, Kokichi is the extra power, I tried to bomb Nos but the petrify roleblocked me, mod told me petrification didnt affect my vote

Spoiler:

If you opened this far I probably already submitted a ss bomb detonation, sorry if wrong, although im already used to being wrong.
Hopefully this will give more insight into what happened last night and fuel your scumhunting, if im wrong sorry Nancy, if you had healed me earlier i would have
probably thought you're town. The fact that you got pressured into healing me means you're probably scum who wanted to get away with it, besides, for math to be leader
literally both you and tora have to be scum.

@Town: If this flips town lynch the fuck out of Tora/Math, best guess for 3rd is Gamma. If Nancy flips scum and so does Tora, Math is conf town. If Tora doesnt then just lynch Math

[the worst]

We always flip Gamma today right?

[Sando]

We always flip Gamma today right?

Is there a reason you just go along with literally everything Tora suggests? He's basically confirmed scum here, and every time he suggests an alternative lynch you're right there with a "shit yeah, what Tora said!"

[Sando]

current lynch/kill pool is me/gamma/mathblade, right?

if gamma flips scum, both me or mathblade can still be scum. in fact, me and mathblade are the literal two most likely scum partners for gamma.

if either me or mathblade flips scum, the other is clear

Like this logic is 100% applicable to Tora, swap Tora and Gamma in this and it makes the EXACT SAME amount of sense. It's just floundering plans for the sake of it now, in a desperate attempt to stay alive until tomorrow.

Also no, it's still more likely to be a 3rd unknown than it is to be Math.

[Sando]

Math did you submit the team I suggested? If not, what'd you submit?

[Toranaga]

current lynch/kill pool is me/gamma/mathblade, right?

if gamma flips scum, both me or mathblade can still be scum. in fact, me and mathblade are the literal two most likely scum partners for gamma.

if either me or mathblade flips scum, the other is clear

Like this logic is 100% applicable to Tora, swap Tora and Gamma in this and it makes the EXACT SAME amount of sense. It's just floundering plans for the sake of it now, in a desperate attempt to stay alive until tomorrow.

Also no, it's still more likely to be a 3rd unknown than it is to be Math.

no it's not cause I'm never scum with mathblade.

if you were to trade me and gamma, you'd say if I flip scum math can still be scum, which is not the thread consensus. the thread consensus is that me and math are not scum together. are you even reading me? I don't think you're reading me.

[Toranaga]

sando try to explain to me how changing gamma and tora in that post makes exactly the same sense.

also are you now saying I'm scum but gamma is town? I feel like that's what you're suggesting right now.

[Sando]

no it's not cause I'm never scum with mathblade.

And I'm never scum with Titus, yet you still want to accuse me of scum.

Get outa here with that BS logic.

[Toranaga]

why am I more likely scum than gamma, sando?