Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)


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Post Post #5779 (isolation #600) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:15 am

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How long can I prod dodge until I have to try again
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Post Post #5782 (isolation #601) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 5777, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5756, Ankamius wrote:IT'S LIKE

I'M NOT A WOLF
NOSFERATU IS NOT A WOLF
TITUS IS NOT A WOLF
GLOWBALL IS NOT A WOLF
GAMMA EMERALD IS NOT A WOLF

THE ONLY THING STOPPING THIS FROM BEING AN EZ WOLF LOSS IS WHATEVER MANIPULATION PR THEY HAVE

AND FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE THINKING THAT ONE OF THE ABOVE FIVE IS NOT CONFIRMED NOT A WOLF
That is where I am at except you have a outside chance of it but I am townreading you.
Who brought up the lightning rod nonsense?
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Post Post #5786 (isolation #602) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:34 am

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I'm not going to bother explaining why lynching hebi is a bad idea
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Post Post #5787 (isolation #603) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:34 am

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VOTE: hebichan
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Post Post #5795 (isolation #604) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:38 am

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who wants to replace into an obvscum slot when wolves are PROBABLY going to lose
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Post Post #5806 (isolation #605) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:18 pm

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Can we just end the day
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Post Post #5808 (isolation #606) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:25 pm

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Well yeah he's confscum

Just townscum
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Post Post #5811 (isolation #607) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 5810, glowball wrote:I think claiming mafia at this point is safe for a wolf. So it's possible.
what
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Post Post #5813 (isolation #608) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:11 pm

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idk how I feel about a mafia traitor with no groupmafia
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Post Post #5814 (isolation #609) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:12 pm

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plus that's a really dumb claim for a wolf that doesn't already know there isn't any groupmafia just via gamestate
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Post Post #5817 (isolation #610) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:53 pm

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Nos you wolffuck

Get back to the rock you howl from
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Post Post #5818 (isolation #611) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:54 pm

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In post 5812, glowball wrote:We know mafia need the wolves gone too so it's the best claim other than vt to keep yourself lower on the list of lynches.
BTW at this point vampire is a safer claim than mafia
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Post Post #5822 (isolation #612) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:17 am

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Also in case anyone cares

Brian Skies practically gave away Nos as mafia
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Post Post #5826 (isolation #613) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:45 am

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In post 3472, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Creature

I'm okay with recruiting Nos or Vecna.
this combined with the sheer amount of no mentions in this ISO
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Post Post #5828 (isolation #614) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:17 am

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Am I a comedian yet
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Post Post #5830 (isolation #615) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:36 am

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Can you work your magic on the thread so I have any reason to want to not be dead by tomorrow
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Post Post #5839 (isolation #616) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:04 am

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I am lethargic
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Post Post #5841 (isolation #617) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:23 am

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What are the odds that RC would death tunnel his partner?

:THINKING:
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Post Post #5846 (isolation #618) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:42 am

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Do I want to put any effort towards solving this again or should I just spend the day lamenting the fact that I'm not dead yet

I'm leaning the latter
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Post Post #5851 (isolation #619) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:52 am

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that's true

and scum would LOLOLOLOLOLOL at any thought of killing me

so it makes sense that I'm still alive
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Post Post #5854 (isolation #620) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:11 am

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About what, the missing neighborhood kill?
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Post Post #5859 (isolation #621) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:58 am

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VOTE: zMuffinMan

I claim balls
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Post Post #5861 (isolation #622) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:25 am

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Now I'm confirmed not to be a PR, nice

And we have two separate players who confirm the lethargy
Math has to be a wolf for glowball to be a wolf, as well as Gamma

Scum are looking pretty OP if Oath is a wolf
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Post Post #5862 (isolation #623) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:27 am

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If Nos is a wolf, then where are the mafia

Lady Angel gets a kill if there are no mafia, so in that case where is the kill
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Post Post #5868 (isolation #624) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:14 pm

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I get deepwolf comments on so many of my town games but I've never deepwolved in my life
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Post Post #5870 (isolation #625) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:19 pm

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If I ever manage to deepwolf

I'd probably laud that as my best played game forever and quit because I'll never top that
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Post Post #5874 (isolation #626) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:28 pm

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Can I claim credit for being the only slot not voting town at the end of day one
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Post Post #5886 (isolation #627) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:50 pm

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idk I devoured my lunch pretty hard today

does that count as a claimed ability
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Post Post #5888 (isolation #628) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:56 pm

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how do you have me as locktown nos

or did you answer that at some point and I'm just 40iq
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Post Post #5890 (isolation #629) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:03 pm

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oh wait you said that like last page

is it time to sleep yet
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Post Post #5891 (isolation #630) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:03 pm

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holy fuck I'm dumb

yeah I'm going to bed

good night
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Post Post #5893 (isolation #631) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:07 pm

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don't worry I'll be back tomorrow to throw some more
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Post Post #5902 (isolation #632) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:13 am

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I think math just openwolfed
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Post Post #5905 (isolation #633) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:18 am

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(if muffin is scum then he's not a 2shot seer js)
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Post Post #5909 (isolation #634) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:37 am

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oh dear
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Post Post #5912 (isolation #635) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:59 am

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Fire away Nos
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Post Post #5918 (isolation #636) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:38 am

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Don't remind me of why I replaced out
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Post Post #5920 (isolation #637) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:57 am

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If only I replaced out
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Post Post #5922 (isolation #638) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:17 am

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I'm moody give me a break :(
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Post Post #5924 (isolation #639) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:12 am

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Math is openwolfing though
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Post Post #5925 (isolation #640) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:13 am

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The argument for lynching Nos is bizarre and wolves need him gone to have a shot at winning so ???
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Post Post #5927 (isolation #641) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:26 am

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You're openwolfing by pushing a confirmed mafia
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Post Post #5929 (isolation #642) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:43 am

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In post 5927, Ankamius wrote:You're openwolfing by pushing a confirmed mafia
Just going to point out how god damn weird this sentence is
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Post Post #5935 (isolation #643) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:35 pm

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In post 5930, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5927, Ankamius wrote:You're openwolfing by pushing a confirmed mafia
1) That isn’t necessarily the case. He could be a backup to receive the first killing power and be an SK/survivor role.

2) Even as mafia he is not guaranteed to be town aligned mafia.

I think it is option 2.
how does this make any sense

what about Lady Angel's role then

Mafia is confirmed via Lady Angel to have an anti-wolf win condition

this has so many god damn holes I don't know where to start
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Post Post #5948 (isolation #644) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:20 am

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Scum need to lynch Nosferatu to win, that's why he's pushing it
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Post Post #5957 (isolation #645) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:44 pm

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glowball what's your win condition again?
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Post Post #5959 (isolation #646) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:49 pm

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5956 was a very strange post
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Post Post #5960 (isolation #647) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:50 pm

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hey Gamma

can you tell me which days and nights you've had access to the lynch mob?
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Post Post #5963 (isolation #648) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:58 pm

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hmm
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Post Post #5965 (isolation #649) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:05 pm

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no, I think we should still lynch Mathblade
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Post Post #5966 (isolation #650) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:05 pm

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kill sorry
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Post Post #5967 (isolation #651) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:07 pm

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honestly glowball

I think you just lose unless you can block the wolf kill tonight
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Post Post #5968 (isolation #652) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:08 pm

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5. Ankamius
7. Nosferatu
8. Toranaga
10. zMuffinMan
13. MathBlade
14. Gamma Emerald

This is your list, glowball

I'm assuming there's two wolves here

if we can lynch one today and you can block the other, then mathblade is clear to be shot without affecting your wincon
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Post Post #5969 (isolation #653) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:09 pm

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It might actually be three... ugh

That would clear up who the wolves are at least
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Post Post #5970 (isolation #654) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:12 pm

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actually that's not technically true if Math legitimately slipped that he counts as human, then a glowball + Mathblade + Gamma Emerald team is still possible

but I don't think Gamma is especially scummy and glowball still runs into the issue of why the fuck would you claim like that at a really dumb time
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Post Post #5971 (isolation #655) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:18 pm

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I just realized how fucking stupid I am

Titus claimed to know who the vig is
There was no nightkill from wolves on night 2

There's no other known way to prevent the kill since we have no protective and Oath's drain failed on confirmed town

The only thing that makes sense is that Nosferatu was hit and immune
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Post Post #5972 (isolation #656) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:19 pm

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Unless any of you want to make a case for Vecna being a protective (:
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Post Post #5973 (isolation #657) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:24 pm

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I forgot what Angel is
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Post Post #5974 (isolation #658) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:27 pm

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Human Jailkeeper (Jailkeeper + 2-shot 1-day Vote Nullizer/PT Thief)
Human Neighborizer
Human Wiretapper (PT Cop)
Human Villager
Human Villager
Human Villager
Human Villager
Human Villager (probably what Vecna is)

Angel (Doctor)

Mafia Modified Traitor (lynch mob)

vs

Werewolf Tracker

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Mafia [CONFIRMED]
Vampire (Drain + One-Shot Revive) [CONFIRMED]
VT/Goon [CONFIRMED]
VT (lynch mob) [NEAR CONFIRMED]

Vampire Lord (lynch mob)
2-Shot Seer
w/e the fuck toranaga is
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Post Post #5977 (isolation #659) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:41 pm

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Math isn't a vampire
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Post Post #5979 (isolation #660) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:43 pm

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like really look at that claim

Mathblade is literally claiming to be part of the lynch mob, have a win condition that requires three people to be alive, and has yet to claim any other abilities despite the blowback from his win condition claim

isn't that KIND OF bizarre to you?
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Post Post #5982 (isolation #661) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:44 pm

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glowball here's another way to look at it

Your response to Nosferatu threatening to shoot Mathblade was to try to pull him off and shoot another probscum target.
Mathblade's response was to try to push Nosferatu down.
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Post Post #5983 (isolation #662) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:45 pm

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5980 is NOT a town response
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Post Post #5986 (isolation #663) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:46 pm

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hey glowball, another question for you

Has Mathblade tried to work with you about how to use your drain at all today?
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Post Post #5990 (isolation #664) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:47 pm

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Quote it Math
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Post Post #5992 (isolation #665) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:47 pm

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In post 5988, glowball wrote:
In post 5986, Ankamius wrote:hey glowball, another question for you

Has Mathblade tried to work with you about how to use your drain at all today?
No one has.
Wrong

I have.
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Post Post #5995 (isolation #666) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:48 pm

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In post 5991, glowball wrote:I'm alone in this game really and since no one seems to care I'm going with the people that are at least not assholes about it
I've told you what you need to do in order to have a chance to win in a Mathblade-scum scenario

You have to block the wolf kill tonight or you lose
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Post Post #5996 (isolation #667) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:49 pm

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Oh god you asked glowball to drain NOSFERATU?
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Post Post #5999 (isolation #668) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:50 pm

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In post 5984, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5982, Ankamius wrote:glowball here's another way to look at it

Your response to Nosferatu threatening to shoot Mathblade was to try to pull him off and shoot another probscum target.
Mathblade's response was to try to push Nosferatu down.
I have to be alive for my wincon.
Nos has demonstrated to be against my win con.

Therefore to win I must lynch him.
btw

this makes no sense
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Post Post #6000 (isolation #669) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:50 pm

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In post 5998, glowball wrote:
In post 5995, Ankamius wrote:
In post 5991, glowball wrote:I'm alone in this game really and since no one seems to care I'm going with the people that are at least not assholes about it
I've told you what you need to do in order to have a chance to win in a Mathblade-scum scenario

You have to block the wolf kill tonight or you lose
And who exactly is performing the wolf kill tonight?
Probably Mathblade honestly
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Post Post #6003 (isolation #670) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:52 pm

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How are you going to lynch a mafia that mechanically has to exist and has been confirmed to be making protown kills all game?
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Post Post #6005 (isolation #671) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:53 pm

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you call TGP and Theta Alpine anti-town kills?
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Post Post #6007 (isolation #672) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:54 pm

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NOS ARE YOU FOLLOWING THIS CONVERSATION?
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Post Post #6008 (isolation #673) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 6006, MathBlade wrote:I have seen differing alignments inherit powers.

There is no reason to believe Nos is town.
Incorrect

This assumption is 100% baseless
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Post Post #6011 (isolation #674) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:56 pm

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In post 6009, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6005, Ankamius wrote:you call TGP and Theta Alpine anti-town kills?
TGP and Theta Alpine aren’t pro/anti town they were lurker slots being scummy
and that's scum indicative... how
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Post Post #6012 (isolation #675) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:56 pm

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In post 6010, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6008, Ankamius wrote:
In post 6006, MathBlade wrote:I have seen differing alignments inherit powers.

There is no reason to believe Nos is town.
Incorrect

This assumption is 100% baseless
When he wants to shoot town over his scumreads it makes him scum
:facepalm:
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Post Post #6013 (isolation #676) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:57 pm

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hey math did you ever fullclaim?
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Post Post #6016 (isolation #677) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:58 pm

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Did you forget that glowball confimed last night that I don't have any abilities?
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Post Post #6021 (isolation #678) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:00 pm

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Very interesting how Mathblade completely sidestepped the question

:THINKING:
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Post Post #6023 (isolation #679) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:01 pm

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In post 6020, Nosferatu wrote:arguing with math is just dumb
gotta convince Glowball or wolves will win
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Post Post #6027 (isolation #680) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:02 pm

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In post 6022, glowball wrote:
In post 6018, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6016, Ankamius wrote:Did you forget that glowball confimed last night that I don't have any abilities?
You said you felt lethargic. I don’t remember if Oath said whether you did or didn’t.
I received no abilities, but I dont get factional abilities
I'm a human villager as I claimed a while back

idk what factional abilities scum would have other than some kind of eavesdrop ability maybe
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Post Post #6029 (isolation #681) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:02 pm

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In post 6025, Nosferatu wrote:globall is resigned to losing
can you convince her

that's like her only chance of winning and I think I can't get through to her at all
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Post Post #6032 (isolation #682) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:04 pm

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In post 6028, glowball wrote:There are 7 of us. You need 4 to lynch.

Do you realize that saying Math, Muffin, and Toranga are scum then that's almost half of the town already???

Even if you get Gamma , you need me OR one of them to bus and why would they essentially hand over the game?
in a 3-scum world, the team is already outed

Nosferatu is confirmed mafia
you're confirmed 3p
Gamma Emerald is confirmed human

The scumteam is literally within myself, Mathblade, zMuffinMan, and Toranaga
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Post Post #6034 (isolation #683) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:05 pm

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and let's look

zMuffinMan has hilariously bad results from his 2-shot seer
Toranaga hasn't given a shit about this game in weeks and he replaced a dead in the water slot
Mathblade's claim is horrible
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Post Post #6039 (isolation #684) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:09 pm

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glowball can you show me what drain does one more time?
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Post Post #6044 (isolation #685) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:11 pm

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glowball

what does your drain do
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Post Post #6048 (isolation #686) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:13 pm

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okay so drain is not a protect?
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Post Post #6049 (isolation #687) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:13 pm

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nvm it's pretty clear it doesn't

okay give me a sec
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Post Post #6056 (isolation #688) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:18 pm

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Okay, glowball

Here's one fact you have to understand:

You do not win this game unless I am town because you already drained me last night. Your only chance is if I am town.

I'm offering you an olive branch, here. The only way you have a shot at winning the game is in a zMuffinMan+toranaga wolf game or a zMuffinMan+toranaga+Mathblade wolf game.

If you can block the nightkill from hitting you, then tomorrow we lynch toranaga and the wolves are eradicated.

You don't need Mathblade alive specifically to do that, but there IS enough time to lynch the last wolf tomorrow in that scenario. All it requires is you correctly blocking the shot on either toranaga or Mathblade.
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Post Post #6058 (isolation #689) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:18 pm

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noting that the reason me being a wolf means you can't win is because you presumably can't drain me twice thanks to the failed action on Gamma
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Post Post #6059 (isolation #690) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:18 pm

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Nos, stop

you're being cruel
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Post Post #6062 (isolation #691) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:21 pm

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In post 6061, Nosferatu wrote:i dont think ive been cruel at all but whatever
you're hitting a trigger point for him, intentionally or not
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Post Post #6065 (isolation #692) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:22 pm

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nos

stop
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Post Post #6068 (isolation #693) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:24 pm

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oh sorry I read 6064 as sarcastic
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Post Post #6069 (isolation #694) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:26 pm

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anyway

the one thing that is confusing to me is why mathblade wouldn't be pushing for a mislynch on my slot since I'm the only possible mislynch that wins wolves the game
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Post Post #6071 (isolation #695) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:27 pm

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the only thing I can think of is to specifically manipulate glowball towards draining nos?
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Post Post #6072 (isolation #696) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:27 pm

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In post 6070, Nosferatu wrote:I know math has trouble reading intention and I teased him knowing that. Not gonna lie and say that I feel bad, but it is my fault that math is upset.

I should've known better.

I've been told I drip with sarcasm but I'm not being sarcastic whatever here.
keep in mind that Mathblade has Aspergers, so he can't read sarcasm through text very well
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Post Post #6074 (isolation #697) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:28 pm

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they probably still tried to N2

idk hard to tell without knowing who HWS protected

maybe that's worth looking at
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Post Post #6078 (isolation #698) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:32 pm

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I looked back at HWS stuff and the closest thing to a crumb I could see was him specifically calling Vecna and myself town, so probably one of us

idk
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Post Post #6079 (isolation #699) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:32 pm

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In post 6075, glowball wrote:and why are you still here, Ank?
In post 6076, glowball wrote:So Night 4 and the wolves kill Vecna and leave a highly townread Ank AND a confirmed vig in Nos...

That doesn't sit well
I'm also really loud and have been pretty wrong for most of the game

so
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Post Post #6080 (isolation #700) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:33 pm

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like Titus absolutely never kills me in any night except MAYBE night one... the night she wasn't actually here at all (and RC never kills me LOL)
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Post Post #6083 (isolation #701) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:34 pm

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hmmmmmm

GAMMA: how did the conversation in the lynch mob go last night?
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Post Post #6085 (isolation #702) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:37 pm

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I'm trying to figure out whether Mathblade in a Math/tora/muffin scumteam game pushes Gamma to lynch Oath's revive or not

I can kind of see him potentially pushing the lynch onto Nosferatu instead (which probably works from flavor via lady angel), but otherwise I think he would have to push the lynch onto me in order to have a confirmed death; I don't know how viable this is especially
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Post Post #6087 (isolation #703) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:38 pm

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glowball I claimed human VT sometime within the last two game days before you drained me
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Post Post #6089 (isolation #704) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:40 pm

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one thing I will note is that you would be dead if both Mathblade and I were scum since we can stack kills on you
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Post Post #6090 (isolation #705) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:41 pm

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that doesn't clear me by any stretch but it does strongly indicate that at the very least Math and I are not scum together
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Post Post #6092 (isolation #706) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:42 pm

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the next order of business

is why I would specifically try to steer the lynch onto toranaga as hard as I did over hebichan
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Post Post #6093 (isolation #707) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:44 pm

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idk why I'm trying to towncase myself

the only person who has any reason to care is Gamma
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Post Post #6094 (isolation #708) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:45 pm

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huh. that gives me pause, actually

does scum-math push himself into a position where his only sensical play is to push Nosferatu as a wolf?
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Post Post #6095 (isolation #709) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:46 pm

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nah that doesn't matter too much

Mathblade isn't trying to keep glowball alive, which is an easier way to lose

it kind of explains why he's not specifically pushing me but the way he's playing still makes no sense as non-wolf
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Post Post #6097 (isolation #710) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:48 pm

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that's a future note that if one of us flips wolf, the other is basically cleared
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Post Post #6098 (isolation #711) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:48 pm

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it makes far more sense to either take advantage of the double kills to get a majority directly or to stack kills on you in order to get rid of you

the only way that doesn't work that I know of is if Mathblade is ENTIRELY DEADSET on his sketchy as fuck vampire claim
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Post Post #6100 (isolation #712) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:51 pm

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actually, I never once said your role was suspicious

I said there was no need to resolve it when you claimed it and then I later realized that the way you claimed it made it obviously true
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Post Post #6102 (isolation #713) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:54 pm

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glowball

Mathblade claimed to have a much more difficult win condition to achieve

and then completely dodged the question when I asked him to fullclaim
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Post Post #6103 (isolation #714) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:56 pm

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even if you think the claim itself isn't suspicious

it's really interesting that in a scenario where he's going to be shot and instantly lose the game, he's not willing to do the pretty simple thing of claiming what he has when apparently being shot is a big enough threat to immediately drop everything just to push a lynch on the slot who will shoot him
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Post Post #6104 (isolation #715) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:57 pm

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that's how a wolf thinks, not a vampire
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Post Post #6106 (isolation #716) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:57 pm

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a vempire that needs you and a human alive shoots for a wolf, not removes your revive
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Post Post #6107 (isolation #717) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:58 pm

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a vampire who needs you to win wants to keep you alive at any cost
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Post Post #6108 (isolation #718) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:58 pm

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here's the final nail in the coffin:

Mathblade knows the only mislynch is onto my slot.

Mathblade also knows that he will never win a 1v1 against me.
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Post Post #6109 (isolation #719) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:59 pm

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(hint: if zMuffinMan or Toranaga were town... that mislynch would be very simple)
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Post Post #6111 (isolation #720) » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:00 pm

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are you understanding where I'm coming from?
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Post Post #6115 (isolation #721) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:20 am

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idk

I've stopped taking what people say about information seriously because nobody can get what they have across in a way that isn't confusing
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Post Post #6116 (isolation #722) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:24 am

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anyway Gamma

how are you feeling about the game
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Post Post #6118 (isolation #723) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:45 am

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It's pretty much solved already
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Post Post #6119 (isolation #724) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:50 am

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Mathblade + zMuffinMan + toranaga

That's near confirmed
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Post Post #6123 (isolation #725) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:47 am

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This is really confusing
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Post Post #6126 (isolation #726) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:32 am

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Hold up

I have to check stuff out when I can, I just realized that the narrative might have significantly changed recently
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Post Post #6131 (isolation #727) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:40 am

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Yes claim
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Post Post #6133 (isolation #728) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:00 pm

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Oh really

Is that everything in your role?
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Post Post #6136 (isolation #729) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:05 pm

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Full claim it
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Post Post #6139 (isolation #730) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:09 pm

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What is your role name?
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Post Post #6140 (isolation #731) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:09 pm

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Full role name

Alignment and all
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Post Post #6144 (isolation #732) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:14 pm

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Idk these claims keep getting sketchier and sketchier
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Post Post #6145 (isolation #733) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:14 pm

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Wtf even is a devourer
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Post Post #6152 (isolation #734) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:22 pm

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Convince Nos, not me

Although you will have to convince glowball too
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Post Post #6157 (isolation #735) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:30 pm

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I don't know what's funnier

The claim being legit and it being carried out in the most hilarious way possible

Or toranaga claiming a very wolfy looking kill as a werewolf
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Post Post #6166 (isolation #736) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:34 pm

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Man it's openwolf season in here
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Post Post #6167 (isolation #737) » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:35 pm

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Also if anyone had ant doubts that glowball might possibly still be a wolf, read 6158 until you understand why she's not
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Post Post #6178 (isolation #738) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:45 am

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VOTE: toranaga

Game should be pretty much over either way
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Post Post #6187 (isolation #739) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:11 am

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he just screwed up by claiming the wolf kill

it's a lot more probably that it's the factional kill, they just also have a factional ability to janitor someone once
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Post Post #6190 (isolation #740) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:22 am

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not everybody drops the act in twilight
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Post Post #6193 (isolation #741) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:25 am

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like in a universe where toranaga really is a devourer survivor

then town overall just doesn't deserve to win

we fucked up so many things that it's hard to justify
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Post Post #6195 (isolation #742) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:27 am

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glowball

toranaga is a wolf unless we miscleared someone

gamma misclear means that the lynch mob wasn't addressed properly
you misclear means that we made huge errors overall and scum's huge (and honestly really dumb) gambit succeeded
nosferatu misclear means that brian's role literally makes no sense
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Post Post #6196 (isolation #743) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:29 am

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it's also not impossible that toranaga technically is a third party

...but he's a 3p that wins WITH wolves

what town makes use of a janitor wtf
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Post Post #6200 (isolation #744) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:32 am

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when did you attack glowball again?
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Post Post #6202 (isolation #745) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:33 am

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my general rule of vigs:

early, shoot based on reads
late, shoot based on what town needs
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Post Post #6204 (isolation #746) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:35 am

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idk what to tell you glowball other than in a mathblade scum world (which I strongly believe it is), I literally took the only route that can possibly give you a win in this game

and I've already shown why mathblade and I can't be scum together
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Post Post #6205 (isolation #747) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:35 am

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plus I shielded you all game
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Post Post #6208 (isolation #748) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 6206, glowball wrote:
In post 6205, Ankamius wrote:plus I shielded you all game
HOW?
I argued against lynching you on day two
I hard-shielded you on day three and brute forced you out of the lynch pool
never once after that have I reneged on that
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Post Post #6210 (isolation #749) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:41 am

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In post 4528, Ankamius wrote:Okay here's an Oath town case

1. No sane scum wants to derail a gamestate that has multiple town competing for the chopping block, which is exactly what Oath would've had to do for the claim to be scum.
2. Scum don't, on top of that, try to derail multiple town wagons onto a scum, themselves
3. After failing to get themselves lynched, scum don't completely stop trying to get themselves lynched while also claiming an action that is going to get heavily scrutinized
4. Upon that action failing, scum would claim a target that is protown for them to target instead of claiming the most suspicious slot to target.

This is such a dumb scum play on so many levels. Now what happens if you look at it from a protown perspective?

1. Town 3p replaced in and saw that their role was going to cause confusion to the town while it was alive, so they tried to get it lynched in order to keep the role from becoming a distraction and potentially confscummed falsely later.
2. Town are less afraid to claim commonly thought of as dumb targets because they are less concerned with looking town than scum are.
3. There are actually strong protown reasons to suggest that the drain on hebichan isn't a bad idea (it saves the action usage if the slot dies for one)

Which makes more sense
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Post Post #6213 (isolation #750) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:43 am

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In post 6209, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6200, Ankamius wrote:when did you attack glowball again?
To confirm Oath to the hood. Confirmed town is more important late game than a revive.
can I just not argue with this

since logically it's completely wrong
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Post Post #6214 (isolation #751) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:43 am

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otherwise I'm going to start yelling and I don't want to do that
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Post Post #6216 (isolation #752) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:43 am

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well

do that more than I already have
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Post Post #6218 (isolation #753) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:47 am

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what?
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Post Post #6219 (isolation #754) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:48 am

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what does that sentence even mean?

isn't your win condition to survive to the end fo the game with you, glowball, and either gamma or myself?
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Post Post #6221 (isolation #755) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:49 am

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can you finally fullclaim
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Post Post #6223 (isolation #756) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:51 am

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does glowball win if you leave the game
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Post Post #6227 (isolation #757) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:57 am

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I just want to see if he'll claim something that isn't obviously fake
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Post Post #6229 (isolation #758) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:01 pm

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I mean

delaying the fullclaim until tomorrow is significantly less obvscum than just saying "HOW ABOUT YOU FULLCLAIM INSTEAD" but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post Post #6230 (isolation #759) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:01 pm

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so you're a vampire yet glowball doesn't win when you leave the game

okay then
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Post Post #6234 (isolation #760) » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:22 pm

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ooh pick me pick me

do I get the next claim?
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Post Post #6247 (isolation #761) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:58 am

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Probably 4 total

It's an 18 player game isn't it?
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Post Post #6249 (isolation #762) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:59 am

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Glowball who did you bite? Odds are they're the last WW
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Post Post #6250 (isolation #763) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:59 am

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Pffffffff
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Post Post #6252 (isolation #764) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:01 am

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VOTE: Mathblade

This 1v1 is fine with me
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Post Post #6253 (isolation #765) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:08 am

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Ftr

Barring glowball having no effect on Math being able to kill, this game is 100% solved with every non-wolf winning whichever of us is lynched
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Post Post #6256 (isolation #766) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:15 am

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So why do you think it's me then
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Post Post #6257 (isolation #767) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:16 am

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Btw Gamma probably didn't help you because odds are you wanted to lynch Nos or me, both of which actively hurt Gammas wincon
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Post Post #6258 (isolation #768) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:16 am

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Nos is mechanically confirmed
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Post Post #6259 (isolation #769) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:17 am

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You've lost Math, your flailing isn't going to help you anymore.
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Post Post #6263 (isolation #770) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:20 am

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What's more likely to exist to you

A mafia traitor with a fake mafia that's been killing only wolves after the traitor died

Or a vampire that shot the other vampire and doesn't win alongside them
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Post Post #6264 (isolation #771) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:21 am

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Well I worded that wrong

Mafia with mafia traitor that has been killing wolves after the traitor died
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Post Post #6265 (isolation #772) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:22 am

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Let's not forget that the vampire claim was claimed something else before that
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Post Post #6272 (isolation #773) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:41 am

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You're all in on me because I'm your only lynch left

You can't push Oath
You can't push Nos
You can't push Gamma

All for mechanical reasons

You didn't get to the same solve everyone else did, the one that's proven to be correct.

You've flung shit everywhere to deceive us into not having the game correctly PoEed

You tried to push the narrative away from Toranaga and zMuffinMan and used glowball to do that

That's the biggest red flag, you appealed specifically to the one slot who you know is in danger of losing (thanks to you destroying her night immunity) in an effort to keep Nos from shooting your entire scumteam.

Your claim is bullshit. It didn't save your ass and I think glowball realized that the path I proposed is her only shot at winning, which is why you were blocked from making the kill last night.

I think this game is pretty much solved, but the absolute best thing is that with only two mechanically unconfirmed players, you'd have to have something pretty insane to be able to stop ALL of us from winning even if you do manage to swing the lynch onto me.

I'm sorry you rolled a really tough game to try to survive in, but at this point it's impossible to.
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Post Post #6273 (isolation #774) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:43 am

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Only thing we really need is glowballs take, since she's still the only one in danger here depending on how the mechanics of her role work
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Post Post #6274 (isolation #775) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:46 am

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Nos is protected and Gamma/myself are each other's protection by existing
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Post Post #6278 (isolation #776) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:04 am

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Yeah I'm totally mafia Nos

What are you going to do about it boyo
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Post Post #6280 (isolation #777) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:17 am

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Does that rustle your jimmies

FINALLY being counterclaimed after two full game days

Ehehehehheehehehhehegegegeg
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Post Post #6282 (isolation #778) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:21 am

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... And what is "doing what they want" exactly?
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Post Post #6284 (isolation #779) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:07 am

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I am really confused as to what Math is arguing since it sounds to me like you have the shot yet one of us is the mafia...?
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Post Post #6287 (isolation #780) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:39 am

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Is what for real
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Post Post #6289 (isolation #781) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:42 am

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No
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Post Post #6291 (isolation #782) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:12 pm

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It doesn't really matter either way Gamma

Glowball just blocks whoever of us isn't lynched and that's that

Although if Math CAN'T be blocked, then lynching them and blocking me is the correct play instead
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Post Post #6292 (isolation #783) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:13 pm

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In post 6290, Gamma Emerald wrote:In that case I'm considering Nos cleared of being a wolf, which leaves math qnd ank, and out of those I think Ankamius is who I want dead, and here's why: I don't think RC tries to pile-drive math if he's an important scum role. As such I think Ankamius is the bigger problem as a wolf if we lynch wrong.
You haven't met RC then
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Post Post #6300 (isolation #784) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:36 pm

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Math is better than that as scum tbh

The issue is that I'm pretty sure toranaga decided to claim the scum kill all on his own
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Post Post #6302 (isolation #785) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:37 pm

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Gamma didn't you get your PT access removed on two separate nights
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Post Post #6303 (isolation #786) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:42 pm

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Another note is that we probably wouldn't be in this situation if I was scum ; Mathblade would've been lynched a long time ago if I was.
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Post Post #6305 (isolation #787) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:46 pm

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(look back at RC's push on him day two; I would've jumped on rather than challenge him and then replace out)
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Post Post #6306 (isolation #788) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:46 pm

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Summarize what her role PM says Gamma
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Post Post #6309 (isolation #789) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:11 pm

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Oh looks like we're back to the first claim now
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Post Post #6314 (isolation #790) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:28 pm

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Didn't RC post in other games that he was looking to destroy his scum meta or did I hallucinate that
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Post Post #6315 (isolation #791) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:28 pm

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And I know he really doesn't like you in games, I think he would make an exception for you even if that was the case
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Post Post #6321 (isolation #792) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:51 pm

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<3

You've found the light glowball
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Post Post #6327 (isolation #793) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:11 pm

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Why would you shoot her after I had managed to get everybody to accept that she wasn't a wolf?
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Post Post #6335 (isolation #794) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:25 pm

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He's not sorting between us. That's the scumtell.
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Post Post #6336 (isolation #795) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:27 pm

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Math is playing exactly like scum would, not like the vampire that has whatever win condition he's claiming to have

His only play to win a a vampire would be to sort between us two and have them be lynched because that's his only chance of winning

Having one be lynched and the other shot IS A SCUM MINDSET
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Post Post #6338 (isolation #796) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:32 pm

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You haven't convinced me that Gamma isnt mechanically cleared by any stretch
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Post Post #6344 (isolation #797) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:11 pm

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if mathblade is legitimately a vamp

then I'm blaming this loss entirely on the neighborhood for fucking up on revealing to the rest of us the mechanics and having us falsely clear gamma for it
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Post Post #6345 (isolation #798) » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:12 pm

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or the mod for not making it clear to them

but really the onus is on them to make sure of things like this in that case so
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Post Post #6353 (isolation #799) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:48 am

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I got you glowball

Just needed some coaxing, but we got you there

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